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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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 Posted - 12/01/2013 : 08:14:00
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Originally posted by lofiscifi
the band have been on fire these past few months - the live shows so much more energetic and inspired than anything the past few years.
this argument got brought up a couple of times, but i don't get that. i didn't notice much of a difference energy-wise when i compare the most recent shows and the rest of the reunion shows. i liked all of them.
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1874 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 10:59:09
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Frank looked more enthousiatic/passionate than usual. It coincided with KS being in the band. That's probably why we liked her I guess...
As for the energy, some of the reunion shows were quite good. Some were not. Same for this tour. |
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ChienAndalou22
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Posted - 12/01/2013 : 11:07:43
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| I'd have thought there'd be enthusiasm on this tour regardless of the bass player because of them playing new stuff for the first time in 20 years. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6217 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 11:10:11
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Ding played bass on the new material. Maybe he can hit those high notes in WIMM too
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
France
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 12:08:36
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the whole thing is just so bizarre. there was either a *major* personality clash, or kim deal really is coming back. you don't do the press they did, advertising and introducing the new bass player, only to ditch her right before the big NA tour, and bring in some other hired gun. unless this is a misguided attempt at undermining the position-- "the new bass player didn't bring the excitement, we did! the three of us! the pixies that matter!"
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1020 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 12:35:53
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I think it is disrespectful to Kim S not to have made any sort of statement about her leaving, even if it is just a "We thank Kim S for the work ect ect" statement.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 13:18:08
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this change of band line up brings up a question i'm wondering about. maybe someone on here knows - since people on the internet know everything...
when bands are booked to play gigs or big festivals or whatever, do the contracts ever specify that specific band members have to show up? like, if people are seeing a Red Hot Chile Peppers were supposed to play and Flea quit the band, would they be penalized or something? get less of a cut?
obviously with Kim S it's a little different since she was never an original member before. but at what point can a band keep replacing members and still claim to be fulfilling their end of the deal? what if they also replaced Joey? or Joey and Dave? or, if the lead singer actually quit and someone else actually tried to fill in..
like, people seeing the Beach Boys. they already know Brian Wilson isn't going to be there. but what if it was a surprise move right before a tour? people would be pissed
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/01/2013 : 13:51:14
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
I think it is disrespectful to Kim S not to have made any sort of statement about her leaving, even if it is just a "We thank Kim S for the work ect ect" statement.
This is what makes me think this is a passive-aggressive headless chickens situation. Frank's usually pretty nice to people that he's played with over the years, which suggests there was falling out of sorts between some of the players. Maybe we'll get the full story one day. If this really is a Kim Deal comeback situation it's been managed even worse than the EP scheduling. |
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ChienAndalou22
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Posted - 12/01/2013 : 13:54:18
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Originally posted by Sprite
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
I think it is disrespectful to Kim S not to have made any sort of statement about her leaving, even if it is just a "We thank Kim S for the work ect ect" statement.
This is what makes me think this is a passive-aggressive headless chickens situation. Frank's usually pretty nice to people that he's played with over the years, which suggests there was falling out of sorts between some of the players. Maybe we'll get the full story one day. If this really is a Kim Deal comeback situation it's been managed even worse than the EP scheduling.
Bit cynical. If it's only just materialised about her leaving they've got to come up with a press release and everything. I'd imagine there will almost definitely be some sort of acknowledgement. Truth is we just don't know the situation at all. |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 13:56:08
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if deal is coming back, it's being handled as well as it could be. make an announcement this week with EP2's release (now with deal's basslines reinstated). at that point, no one will care about kim 2's dismissal.
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McDutchie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
269 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 14:03:47
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
I think it is disrespectful to Kim S not to have made any sort of statement about her leaving, even if it is just a "We thank Kim S for the work ect ect" statement.
Quite. The other day I was disappointed to read an interview with Joey where he said it was dumb for people to consider Kim S a member of the Pixies (even though she posed with them on all their recent PR shots and clearly brought some much needed energy on stage). Perhaps it was Joey who didn't like her and forced her departure?
I doubt it was BF. He clearly likes her, as in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQKL5T6jWdU He never did anything like this with Kim Deal. |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/01/2013 : 14:20:58
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Originally posted by McDutchie
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
I think it is disrespectful to Kim S not to have made any sort of statement about her leaving, even if it is just a "We thank Kim S for the work ect ect" statement.
Quite. The other day I was disappointed to read an interview with Joey where he said it was dumb for people to consider Kim S a member of the Pixies (even though she posed with them on all their recent PR shots and clearly brought some much needed energy on stage). Perhaps it was Joey who didn't like her and forced her departure?
I doubt it was BF. He clearly likes her, as in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQKL5T6jWdU He never did anything like this with Kim Deal.
Maybe he liked her too much.......and Violet didn't |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 14:23:32
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Originally posted by McDutchie
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
I think it is disrespectful to Kim S not to have made any sort of statement about her leaving, even if it is just a "We thank Kim S for the work ect ect" statement.
I doubt it was BF. He clearly likes her, as in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQKL5T6jWdU He never did anything like this with Kim Deal.
i thought the same thing. that's my video actually. they seemed to get along really well. and obviously have been acquainted for a long time as Kim S played that benefit gig with them like 4 years ago
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lofiscifi
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2013 : 15:06:23
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i'm gonna miss kim s. i think she brought an excitement/enthusiasm to the band that they've been missing the past couple of years. obviously i'm assuming she knew going in that this would probably be a temp gig, but sorry, if what we've read in recent interviews is to be believed, the whole "the door is always open for kim (deal) to come back" should have been slammed shut the minute she walked out of a recording session and left the other 3 members high and dry. of course, only the band really knows what happened there.
anyhoo, that being said, if kim deal does come back and as dysfunctional as the pixies seem, there is a small part of me that has to admire the loyalty between the original 4 members. the ability to see past all of the inane b.s. and still believe that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts is something else. time will tell.
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
653 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 18:26:41
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Ok, so for whatever my take on this might be worth (which, granted, is probably very little):
1. Kim Shattuck was NOT FIRED. Her contract was merely NOT RENEWED. There is a big difference. From the get-go, this was ALWAYS advertised openly as a temporary thing, and it was not even described (publicly, at least) as open-ended. Remember the official Pixies site's announcement? "Let us introduce Kim Shattuck, who will be joining us on bass FOR THIS TOUR."
Now, if mixed messages were conveyed to Kim Shattuck and she legitimately found herself feeling (or it was implied to her) that her contract would be extended when that was not actually in the offing, that's a real shame, and could be chalked up to the band's notoriously poor internal communications.
However, it is entirely possible (if not likely) that Kim Shattuck NEVER INTENDED TO IMPLY that she had been "fired," and in fact did not even think that was how her post would be taken.
What she wrote was: "Super disappointed to learn that my time with the Pixies ended today. Amazing experience. Looking forward to focusing my attention back on the Muffs and our upcoming new album. All the best to everyone."
Read that without one's own upset getting in the way, and it is nothing more than a dry factual statement.
She's simply disappointed to learn that her time working with the band is not going to continue. meaning that while she knew from the start that was a possibility, she enjoyed herself enough that she had hoped it might continue, but, alas, no such luck. She found the whole thing to be an amazing experience and wishes everyone the best.
Was it the best of form to let the cat out of the bag (which she MAY not have realized was even something to keep in the bag) before the band proper made its own cryptic or delayed announcement?
Perhaps. But, well, whatever. Unless it was in her contract not to spill those beans, she's a grown up and free to do what she likes.
Plus, she probably wasn't looking forward to several weeks of having to field questions from friends and the media about how it felt to be in the band and what we could expect from the North American shows.
2. If, in fact, FBF's initial Twitter post was meant as a commentary on her announcing that she was no longer working with the group, then I take the fact that he quoted Marcel Duchamp as saying, "As soon as we start putting our thoughts into words and sentences everything gets distorted, language is just no damn good — I use it because I have to, but I don’t put any trust in it. We never understand each other," to quite clearly mean:
"It fucking sucks how at every goddamn turn the public and the media wind up getting pissed at or confused by this band. I mean, what the hell? We told everyone Kim Shattuck was joining us as a guest ON THE TOUR THAT JUST FINISHED. We stressed in interviews that she was NOT an actual official member of the band. We did not allow her to do interviews on the subject so as not to confuse people. Sure, I mentioned that if she ever wound up recording with us, there are elements of her skill-set that might be a nice addition in the studio, but shit, that's just a HYPOTHETICAL. I wish we could get away with saying as few words to the press as we do to the crowds when we're on stage. Then maybe we could just write songs, make records, and play shows without all this FUCKING EMOTIONAL BULLSHIT."
3. The fact that Joey followed up with a Tweet which said "Having class has been and always will be the new black. Namas to the Te," could be interpreted as meaning as either meaning:
"Kim Shattuck's post about no longer working with the group was a classy move. It was simple, straightforward and truthful, without a bunch of melodrama. I wish her well."
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"WTF?! I thought we agreed that we were all gonna sit on this announcement until the band itself figured out how to break it to folks, because there is always a bunch of melodrama whenever news of our lineup issues hit the web! Stay classy, Shattuck."
Anyhoo, I hate that I won't see this lineup in NC. They sounded great to me.
Curious to see what the future holds, but unless it's somebody who's totally on board with the new Pixies program (which I REALLY hope does not change or deviate from its stated goals), THAT will be the ultimate disappointment.
I like my Pixies fresh, creative, vital and moving forward - without dead weight, no matter what their name is.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 18:32:39
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| Excellent points, P. Radiator. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 18:56:32
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when i read peter radiator's posts i like to imagine them in Morgan Freeman's voice
green star member since 2006. smb? |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 19:51:59
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Peter has changed my whole view of this story. I think he's right.
Kim Shattuck was the hired help. She was a salaried employee of the Pixies (as opposed to a being a "Pixie" herself) and that's not unusual in rock, when high-grossing bands replace founding members. See the Rolling Stones after Bill Wyman left.
Joey explicitly said that she wasn't an equal member of the band.
Maybe the Pixies' intention is to keep that bass position changing. Try out new people. Kim Shattuck is not a dedicated bass player (I don't think she's ever played bass on record at all). Maybe some members of the band feel that they could maybe do better.
As fans, we're a bunch of mothers. We want to see the Pixies marry a nice girl.
But maybe the Pixies don't want to marry a new bassist. Maybe they're not ready (they are, after all, still getting over that last break-up). They want to roam around, try out other players and see how it goes. And they can do that. It's a lucrative job that they have to offer, even it's just for a short time.
I think I get it now.
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Edited by - Jason on 12/01/2013 19:53:03 |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 20:27:12
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"I like my Pixies fresh, creative, vital and moving forward - without dead weight, no matter what their name is."
lol. |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1120 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 22:36:55
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Originally posted by peter radiator
Ok, so for whatever my take on this might be worth (which, granted, is probably very little): ...
well said. my thoughts exactly.
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
315 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2013 : 23:23:44
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| Jeremy Dubbs is the new Pixies bass player. |
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ccuadros
* Dog in the Sand *
Chile
1315 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2013 : 00:25:14
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Originally posted by Helmut
Jeremy Dubbs is the new Pixies bass player.
source? |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2013 : 01:19:49
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Originally posted by peter radiator
3. The fact that Joey followed up with a Tweet which said "Having class has been and always will be the new black. Namas to the Te," could be interpreted as meaning as either meaning:
"Kim Shattuck's post about no longer working with the group was a classy move. It was simple, straightforward and truthful, without a bunch of melodrama. I wish her well."
I am going to bet that Joey didn't do a passive aggressive tweet to someone who probably satisfied her end of the agreement. Maybe Kim S merely fell on the sword so to speak, and Joey was thanking her.
Although, the lack of statement from the band makes me think that Kim Deal isn't coming back, and this wasn't planned. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6217 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2013 : 01:37:20
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Meanwhile new European shows are being announced.
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2013 : 01:42:50
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| Or she posted it so fast that they didn't have a chance to release a statement. |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 12/02/2013 : 01:44:17
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Originally posted by floop
when i read peter radiator's posts i like to imagine them in Morgan Freeman's voice
green star member since 2006. smb?
Yes, oh yes
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2013 : 01:47:38
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No one's mentioned EDF as a possibility.
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pixie punk
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Posted - 12/02/2013 : 02:03:52
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The NME changed the title of the announcement of this story,the word FIRED no longer appears.Obviously they had to rectify because a firing and end of contract are two different things,too bad NME didn't look for an official statement from Pixies camp.It is bad music journalism and it creates a wrong impression and ultimately Pixies band business is none of our business.Life To The Pixies.
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pixie punk
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Active Duck
~ Abstract Brain ~
United Kingdom
435 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2013 : 02:41:48
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The current favourite replacement in the NME poll made me laugh...
Kim Jong-un 40.31% |
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rivum
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
265 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2013 : 02:55:38
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| that poll is awesome! love that Kim-Jong-un is winning.... |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2013 : 03:23:45
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| Kim Wilde! |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2013 : 04:19:59
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| Any average, reasonably good looking, female Jazz bass player from any average Arts school! |
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/02/2013 : 06:18:58
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| I like Fissle's thought that maybe Frank liked Kim S. TOO much. (and Violet dont dig that) haha. But I'm just fantasizing cuz....oh, those sock, that hair, those lips!!!!!!!!! |
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