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kathryn
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 Posted - 08/26/2007 : 20:00:49
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C'mon, Srisaket, don't feel bad about lowering yourself to such a lowly topic. It's ok. You're among friends here. Conspiracy-theory nut friends...
I got some heaven in my head
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 21:30:55
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 21:48:22
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Okay PixieSteve, I've just finished the 34 page paper on critical thinking about CT's and I'm critically thinking I need a nap. Obviously the guy has done his homework on the Kennedy assassination. I haven't done enough research on this subject to even attempt to counter 90% of what he brings up as the different crazy scenarios that have been put on the table then later removed throughout the years. Umbrella man? I had never even heard of him before tonight. People squinting hard enough seeing just about what ever they want I agree I watched a video on this last night as well as have done it with the driver clip. Although nowhere near the degree of what was done in the clip I watched. Blobs turning into people on the grassy noll etc.
What did you want me to get out of this? Lets see if maybe I got it.
Critical thinking... I feel it's important to remain critical but to the level that you cancel out all possibilities outside the official version? I really don't think we can work out every aspect of these theories the way we can work out a math problem. I again refer to a crime scene, would we ever solve any if we had to apply this model in each case? I don't think so/ Not unless we saw the crime taking place. And perhaps DNA evidence linking someone to the crime. But unless you had it on file how would you even be able to find someone to link it to using this critical thinking criteria?
From what I've seen the main reason I feel Kennedy was killed was not even mentioned. He was going to abolish the federal reserve act. From what I've heard. Am I wrong there?
I only feel the mafia may have been involved when it came to killing Oswald. I don't feel Oswald was the hopeless loser they make him out to be. Not from what I've seen. I'll see if I can find some of the stuff I've seen I'll post it.
Is this all just right wing conspiracy craziness?
What do you see when you watch this clip? http://youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8
I see secret service men being told to leave their positions in the motorcade. Why? They appear to not even know.
How on earth was Oswald allowed in the book depository with a rifle on that day? You and I know that just doesn't happen when the president of the United States rolls into town. They just don't show up one day in a convertable cruising down the street.
What's your opinion on this? Did you watch it already?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79lOKs0Kr_Y
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/27/2007 : 13:15:23
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Critical thinking... I feel it's important to remain critical but to the level that you cancel out all possibilities outside the official version? I really don't think we can work out every aspect of these theories the way we can work out a math problem. I again refer to a crime scene, would we ever solve any if we had to apply this model in each case? I don't think so/ Not unless we saw the crime taking place. And perhaps DNA evidence linking someone to the crime. But unless you had it on file how would you even be able to find someone to link it to using this critical thinking criteria?
JFK's assassination was a crime scene. i think you're forgetting the official story wasn't merely randomly imposed on us, it was the result of a big investigation that looked at (and published?) all the evidence. subsequent investigations have come to the same conlusions. conspiracy theories don't look at all the evidence and use irrational methods. critical thinking isn't about throwing out all possibilities except the official story, it's about throwing uot all possibilities that are irrational.
i might get back to you about other stuff/videos but don't count on it just yet...
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pixiestu
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Posted - 08/27/2007 : 13:22:41
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The JFK assasination was explained perfectly in an episode of Red Dwarf, 'Tikka To Ride'.
A future version of JFK shot his past self to save the US from being run by J. Edgar Hoover, who was forced to run by the Mafia, who had pictures of him at a transvestite orgy. In an alternate 1966 timeline the USSR was allowed to install nuclear bases at Cuba in return for Mafia cocaine trafficking between Cuba and the states. The base was so close to the US, people fled from all the major cities.
This was all a result of Kennedy being found sharing a mistress with a Mafia boss. The only way to stop this happening was for Kennedy to go back and shoot himself from behind the grassy noll.
On the whole, series 7 of Red Dwarf sucks arse, but I like this episode.
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About the real thing though, I don't think there is any way the driver could have shot JFK, however the video which suggests the car could have actually come to a stop is interesting, as is the one about the secret service men being told to leave their positions. I've not seen any explanation of that anywhere.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/27/2007 : 13:34:26
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I understand that when you invite every jamoke on the street to throw in their two cents things get crazy. It just seems to me that the critical thinking model espoused in the paper I read works you into a corner where the only option is the official version. I would have no problem with that expcept for things that aren't even brought into account. Like what is discussed in those videos I linked.
I'm still reading the other two. The Oswald piece seems to be a much easier read. I've read or seen that he was actually an agent. In several of these things I've looked inot often times people that are part of the operation are offered up as the guilty party once it goes down. He may have been a shooter then turned into the sole suspect. This appears to be what happened with McVieh(sp?) and Mohamed Atta.
Here's brief clip on OKC if you are unfamiliar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk
Remember, one truck bomb made of fertilizer was the official explanation.
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Had Enough? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P682rGIhZwI
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
"The use of 'Conspiracy Theory' as a derogatory term or epithet, is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades. It is a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent, and other points of view and information that might be inconvenient for a policy agenda."
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 08/27/2007 : 14:55:36
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this doesn't contribute anything to the discussion, but i have to say it bugs me how so many of these videos have to have heavy-handed 'scary' music playing. to me it's so over the top and cheesy that it actually undercuts the message they're trying to get out
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 01:44:45
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quote:
Originally posted by PixieSteve
JFK's assassination was a crime scene. i think you're forgetting the official story wasn't merely randomly imposed on us, it was the result of a big investigation that looked at (and published?) all the evidence. subsequent investigations have come to the same conlusions.
As comforting as that may sound unfortunately it's not true. In 1978 the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that "scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy." It added that "on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy." |
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 03:17:28
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the critical thinking paper we were discussing mentions that.
"In its 1980 report the House Select Committee eventually decided, almost solely on the basis of subsequently discredited acoustic evidence, that there had indeed been a conspiracy. But more importantly, the committee’s independent panels of experts re-examined the key evidence, photographic, forensic and ballistic, and decided that it supported the Warren Commission’s conclusion."
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 07:43:55
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Originally posted by Scarla O
quote:
Originally posted by PixieSteve
JFK's assassination was a crime scene. i think you're forgetting the official story wasn't merely randomly imposed on us, it was the result of a big investigation that looked at (and published?) all the evidence. subsequent investigations have come to the same conlusions.
As comforting as that may sound unfortunately it's not true. In 1978 the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that "scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy." It added that "on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy."
The additional acoustic evidence has been discredited by various sources - it consists of the supposed recording of the shooting on a Dallas policeman's Dicta-belt.
That 1978 committee also concluded that Oswald fired three shots, the same as the Warren Commission found, and the 'fourth shot' found in the new acoustic evidence missed JFK. So either way, conspiracy or no conspiracy, Oswald was the killer.
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Scarla O
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 09:04:32
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The additional acoustic evidence has been discredited by various sources - it consists of the supposed recording of the shooting on a Dallas policeman's Dicta-belt.
That 1978 committee also concluded that Oswald fired three shots, the same as the Warren Commission found, and the 'fourth shot' found in the new acoustic evidence missed JFK. So either way, conspiracy or no conspiracy, Oswald was the killer.
Case closed (IMO)
The 1978 committee concluded that three shots came from the direction of the Book Depository and that the fourth came from the direction of the 'grassy knoll' - if you watch some of the footage taken from that day you will also see that a bunch of people start to run towards the grassy knoll after the president has left the scene - one journalist who does the very same explicitly states that this was because shots (maybe not all) came from there.
Mark Lane defended journalist Victor Marchetti's JFK assassination article in a libel court case in the early 80s at which various members of the CIA were called to witness and at which the jury came to the conclusion that E Howard Hunt - a CIA contract - was also involved in the assassination.
So much of the evidence regarding Oswald had been tampered with - regardless of his culpability he didn't stand a snowball in hell's chance of a fair trial and the very fact that you state with such certainty that he was the killer just goes to prove the same.
We do not know that Oswald was the killer and there is plenty of evidence that suggests a much more complicated sequence of events than is widely accepted - Case Reopened Indefinitely (IMO) |
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 09:12:09
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there's more (reliable) evidence that says there wasn't a more complicated sequence of events.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 09:59:03
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PixieSteve, it's reliable if you choose to believe everything our governments say as true. The problem is their track record doesn't allow that.
Very powerful people can choose whoever they want to review the evidence and decide in their favor. Like Phillip Zelikow for instance. He was chosen by the president to head the 9/1.... Er... another more recent commision. He worked on the presidents campaign for Pete's sake. Now where is he?
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Philip+Zelikow&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 10:07:28
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man, did you even read that paper?
what do governments have to do with independent investigations?
what does the government of 1963 have to do with current government?
how does lying once mean you lie about everything?
why would the warren commission publish the evidence that conflicted with their conclusion if they had something to hide?
dunno what you're implying about that dude but it stinks of post hoc ergo propter hoc
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 10:09:48
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
PixieSteve, it's reliable if you choose to believe everything our governments say as true. The problem is their track record doesn't allow that.
Very powerful people can choose whoever they want to review the evidence and decide in their favor. Like Phillip Zelikow for instance. He was chosen by the president to head the 9/1.... Er... another more recent commision. He worked on the presidents campaign for Pete's sake. Now where is he?
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Philip+Zelikow&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 10:25:43
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Are you kidding? Of course I read it. You were supposed to get back to me on the clips I've provided and how I can apply the critical thinking model with that evidence included.
I'm not going to spend all day here(surf looks good) so tell me how that paper was supposed to cause me to not take into account clips like LBJ's mistress confession, and the secret service men stand down.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 10:27:56
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I guess he's the executive director.
Philip D. Zelikow
Executive Director
Philip Zelikow is the executive director of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, better known as the "9/11 Commission." He is also the director of the Miller Center of Public Affairs and White Burkett Miller Professor of History at the University of Virginia. After serving in government with the Navy, the State Department, and the National Security Council, he taught at Harvard before assuming his present post in Virginia to direct the nation's largest research center on the American presidency. He was a member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and served as executive director of the National Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former Presidents Carter and Ford, as well as the executive director of the Markle Foundation Task Force on National Security in the Information Age. Zelikow's books include The Kennedy Tapes (with Ernest May), Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (with Condoleezza Rice), and the rewritten Essence of Decision (with Graham Allison). Zelikow has also been the director of the Aspen Strategy Group, a policy program of the Aspen Institute.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 10:30:12
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
man, did you even read that paper?
what do governments have to do with independent investigations?
what does the government of 1963 have to do with current government?
how does lying once mean you lie about everything?
why would the warren commission publish the evidence that conflicted with their conclusion if they had something to hide?
dunno what you're implying about that dude but it stinks of post hoc ergo propter hoc
"Idiot" is just her sig.
What I'm saying is the "independent investigations" aren't as independent as you are made to believe.
Edit: Those typing classes really paid off. 22 words a minute brothjer!
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 10:46:22
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and where is the evidence that they are not independent?
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 11:01:14
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If Lyndon Johnson was primarily responsible for JFK's death - as implied by his mistress and others - do you think he should be the one establishing the commission to find out who was the perpetrator?
The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, known unofficially as The Warren Commission, was established on November 29, 1963, by Lyndon B. Johnson to investigate the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. It concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the killing of Kennedy. The Commission's findings have since proven extremely controversial, and have been both challenged and reaffirmed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Commission
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 11:09:43
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also about the secret service stand down video i don't see how you can go from that to conspiracy?
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/Hawaii2.jpg
in hawaii, no men on the back of his car.
look, you obviously WANT there to be a conspiracy. why do you want there to be a conspiracy?
this is like a creationist arguing against evolution.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 11:12:24
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Everytime these events happen ask yourself "Who benefits most?"
If JFK is shot who benefits most? Johnson despised JFK.
If Reagan was killed after being shot who would have benefitted most? Reagan hated Bush by the way. They were running against each other in the primary. He did not want him as VP.
If our leaderas create a scary, fictitious, bearded, boogyman that lives in caves and wants to kill freedom lovers who benefits the most?
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 11:16:14
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Okay, good point. This is the stuff I like to see. What website is this from?
Wait a minute JFK's head is 30% larger than everyone else in the car... (Joking).
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 11:18:42
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that photo is linked from http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/prouty.htm
the main website is http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
[the circle was irrelevant to my point above but it was showing that people were watching from windows, debunking the myth that there's always top security at things like this and that windows are always closed and watched.]
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 11:25:15
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quote:
Originally posted by PixieSteve
that photo is linked from http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/prouty.htm
the main website is http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
[the circle was irrelevant to my point above but it was showing that people were watching from windows, debunking the myth that there's always top security at things like this and that windows are always closed and watched.]
"Idiot" is just her sig.
Yes, the people on the balconies is what intrigued me the most.
See? Here we are discussing this controversial topic in an intelligent manner. In another thread we could have used the same method instead of just repeatedly attacking the author of the thread for daring to ask questions.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 18:52:02
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Point-by-point to Scarla O's post:
‘The 1978 committee concluded that three shots came from the direction of the Book Depository and that the fourth came from the direction of the 'grassy knoll' - if you watch some of the footage taken from that day you will also see that a bunch of people start to run towards the grassy knoll after the president has left the scene - one journalist who does the very same explicitly states that this was because shots (maybe not all) came from there.’
However, the evidence of the fourth shot was based on acoustic evidence later proven to be erroneous
‘Mark Lane defended journalist Victor Marchetti's JFK assassination article in a libel court case in the early 80s at which various members of the CIA were called to witness and at which the jury came to the conclusion that E Howard Hunt - a CIA contract - was also involved in the assassination.’
I think you are referring to a libel case in Miami. E Howard Hunt was found guilty of ‘malice’ in the context of a libel conviction, not that he was involved in the assassination of JFK.
‘So much of the evidence regarding Oswald had been tampered with - regardless of his culpability he didn't stand a snowball in hell's chance of a fair trial and the very fact that you state with such certainty that he was the killer just goes to prove the same.’
You might want to take a look at this link to a JFK assassination website regarding the subject of bogus evidence; http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bogus.htm.
You will also see that Mark Lane’s name is mentioned and his reliability as a proponent of JFK assassination theories is also called into question.
‘We do not know that Oswald was the killer and there is plenty of evidence that suggests a much more complicated sequence of events than is widely accepted - Case Reopened Indefinitely (IMO)’
Please share this evidence!
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 19:16:22
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Deathbed Confession of E. Howard Hunt http://youtube.com/watch?v=fHZl91gN63g
Okay MKULTRA from Apocalypto thread.
Sandoz isolated LSD from ergot. It made it's way into the publics hands because of the MKULTRA program. It was synthasized by other scientists from LSD recieved from the O.S.S. basically.
The mushrooms were given to the growers by the CIA to see if they could be cultivated in greenhouses. From the growers they made their way into the publics hands.
Something like that. Buy the book and read it for yourself.
Hence justification of the statement "Mushrooms and LSD became available to the public via the CIA because of their MKULTRA program".
Don't doubt it.
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Network - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI
Orwell 1984 - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5464625623984168940 |
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 19:23:49
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Deathbed Confession of E. Howard Hunt http://youtube.com/watch?v=fHZl91gN63g
Okay MKULTRA from Apocalypto thread.
Sandoz isolated LSD from ergot. It made it's way into the publics hands because of the MKULTRA program. It was synthasized by other scientists from LSD recieved from the O.S.S. basically.
The mushrooms were given to the growers by the CIA to see if they can be cultivated in greenhouses. From the growers they made their way into the publics hands.
Soemthing like that.
Hence justification of the statement "Mushrooms and LSD became available to the public via the CIA because of their MKULTRA program".
Don't doubt it.
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Network - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI
Orwell 1984 - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5464625623984168940
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 19:32:42
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Photo's in link.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/jfk_hunt_son_drops_new_bombshell_revelations.htm
Son Of JFK Conspirator Drops New Bombshell Revelations
Costner was set to make documentary on Hunt's confession, before Miami mafia stepped in, E. Howard believed government had sabotaged his wife's plane
Prison Planet | May 3, 2007
Paul Joseph Watson
As the explosive revelation of E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession, in which the former CIA agent and Watergate conspirator admits that he was part of a CIA conspiracy to assassinate JFK, continues to rage across the Internet, the establishment media remains almost mute on what is undoubtedly one of the biggest stories of the decade.
Saint John Hunt, E. Howard Hunt's oldest son, joined Alex Jones yesterday to drop new bombshells about his father's story. Click here to listen. http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/020507hunt.mp3
Hunt was first made aware of what his father knew about the events of November 22nd 1963 when he came into receipt of hand-written memos that outlined the birth of the plot to kill JFK in Miami where it was discussed that a coup needed to take place in order to topple Kennedy and save the CIA from being splintered into a thousand pieces, as JFK had promised.
Saint John then opened his mailbox one January morning in 2004 to discover an unlabeled cassette tape on which his father details the identity of the individuals that were involved in the actual assassination of JFK.
E. Howard Hunt names numerous individuals with both direct and indirect CIA connections as having played a role in the assassination of Kennedy, while describing himself as a "bench warmer" in the plot. Saint John Hunt agreed that the use of this term indicates that Hunt was willing to play a larger role in the murder conspiracy had he been required, but was primarily used in an oversight role.
Hunt alleges on the tape that then Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was involved in the planning of the assassination and in the cover-up, stating that LBJ, "Had an almost maniacal urge to become president, he regarded JFK as an obstacle to achieving that."
Saint John Hunt.
In the Alex Jones Show interview, Hunt reveals how Kevin Costner, star of the JFK movie, had shared a mutual friend with E. Howard Hunt and had subsequently visited Hunt in Miami in the interests of producing a documentary film based on Hunt's knowledge of the plot.
"Kevin Costner flies down and is introduced to my father by this mutual friend and Kevin just blurted out, 'so who killed JFK'? My father's jaw dropped and he turned around and looked at his wife and said, 'what did he say'?"
"So the whole thing just kind of blew up in its face and that was the end of that," said Hunt.
Hunt said that Costner had become "somewhat of a conspiracy enthusiast" after having made the JFK movie and was very interested in starting a project based on E. Howard Hunt's revelations.
"What my father devised was a code and a key to give Mr. Costner the relevant information without naming the names," said Hunt, "He listed out a chain of command and a timeline series of events and things that took place along with the most important players in the plot."
Costner considered the information to be "dynamite stuff," but elements of the "Miami mafia" derailed the project and the documentary never got off the ground.
Saint John Hunt also revealed for the first time that E. Howard Hunt thought that the Chicago plane crash that killed his wife in 1972 was not an accident. Investigators discovered at least $10,000 dollars in Dorothy Hunt's luggage, money that Saint John Hunt alleges was Nixon campaign funds used to payoff the families of the Watergate burglars to keep them quiet about the involvement of the Nixon White House in the Watergate break-in and cover-up.
"Later on in his life at one of these bedside confessions....tears started welling up in his eyes and he said, 'you know Saint I was so deeply concerned that what they did to your mother they could have done to you children' and that caused the hair on my neck to stand up - that was the first disclosure from my father that he thought there was something else going on besides sheer pilot error," said Hunt.
Eyewitnesses reported that the plane exploded above treetop level before it had even hit the runway.
Hunt said that "at least 20-25 FBI members," as well as numerous DIA agents were at the scene of the crash within minutes before rescue personnel had even arrived, and that this fact was attested to in a letter sent by the head of the Chicago FBI to investigator Sherman Skolnick.
Hunt cited numerous coincidences surrounding the aftermath of the crash, including Nixon's appointment of his henchman, Egil Krough, to the National Transportation Safety Board which investigates plane crashes, the very day after the incident.
When asked about the photos of the "three tramps" that were arrested on the scene of the JFK murder but were later ordered released, Hunt agreed that they likely showed his father and the two other key conspirators.
"As my father's son, every time I look at that comparison photo between the tramps and my father - it looks like my father to me," said Hunt.
Hunt also said that he was reasonably confident that one of the other tramps was CIA operative Frank Sturgis, who his father had also named as a key member of the murder plot.
Hunt said that his father was not one of the shooters but was more of a manager of the plot on a command level, but was later "hung out to dry" by the CIA and the government.
Asked why Hunt became a willing conspirator in the plot to murder JFK, Hunt responded,"Within intelligence circles, he felt that it was an imperative situation that President Kennedy not be allowed to serve in that office for any longer because there was a lot of crucial things coming down, there was the Vietnam war, there was also the anger and the threats Kennedy had made to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces."
Hunt also said that his father eventually desired to become the director of the CIA and Kennedy was a direct obstacle to that goal.
Hunt concluded by agreeing that his father's legacy was that of a patriotic American who was manipulated and twisted by people like LBJ and Nixon, later to be deserted and have his family torn apart by these same criminals.
E. Howard Hunt finally redeemed himself shortly before his death by blowing the whistle on the JFK murder plot, but now there is a fresh attempt to bury this information on behalf of the compromised and cowardly establishment media, who have afforded this bombshell story almost no attention at all while lavishly devoting coverage to the mindlessness of Britney Spears' comeback and radio host Don Imus' off-hand comments.
Once again the responsibility lies with alternative media and the Internet to make sure E. Howard Hunt's story is heard.
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Don't doubt my wisdom.
Network - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI
Orwell 1984 - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5464625623984168940 |
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The King Of Karaoke
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The King Of Karaoke
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 20:23:47
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 20:25:10
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does that say "p.j. harvey"?
Into the sea, you and me, all these years and no one heard. |
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