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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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 Posted - 08/29/2007 : 20:28:12
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It damned well should, knowing how big a boner KOK's had for her all these years.
the cure make me want to die, but in a good way -- mr.biscuitdoughhead
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The King Of Karaoke
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 20:37:57
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I can't figure out what you see in her, KOK.
the cure make me want to die, but in a good way -- mr.biscuitdoughhead
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The King Of Karaoke
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 20:41:22
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The King Of Karaoke
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 01:41:42
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Point-by-point to Srisaket's post:
"However, the evidence of the fourth shot was based on acoustic evidence later proven to be erroneous"
Some people have claimed the fourth shot erroneous - however given that at least four bullets were found at the crime scene i think it reasonable to assume at least four shors were fired. One bullet to JFK's neck, one to the head, one clipping the side of the car and another grazing a police officer at the curb further along the road.
The head wound was described by the president's coroner as having come from the front and to the right - inconsistent with a shot from the book depository - afterwards they changed the results of the autopsy to indicate that the front right was in actual fact an exit wound! The trajectory of debris from the president's head clearly indicates the direction of the blow.
‘Mark Lane defended journalist Victor Marchetti's JFK assassination article in a libel court case in the early 80s at which various members of the CIA were called to witness and at which the jury came to the conclusion that E Howard Hunt - a CIA contract - was also involved in the assassination. I think you are referring to a libel case in Miami. E Howard Hunt was found guilty of ‘malice’ in the context of a libel conviction, not that he was involved in the assassination of JFK."
Yes it was a libel case which was being defended on the basis that the original newspaper article was correct - ie, that he was involved in the assassination of JFK. That withstanding, the various depositions given by senior CIA offiers produced information previously not known (Oswald having visited the Russian Embassy in Mexico for example).
‘So much of the evidence regarding Oswald had been tampered with - regardless of his culpability he didn't stand a snowball in hell's chance of a fair trial and the very fact that you state with such certainty that he was the killer just goes to prove the same.’
You might want to take a look at this link to a JFK assassination website regarding the subject of bogus evidence; http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bogus.htm. "
Of course i've been there - it's an interesting site but that's not the last word on it. In McAdams' opinion, anyone who defends the conspiracy position is a "conspiracy buff." McAdams frequently refers to those who reject the lone-gunman theory as "buffs." McAdams even applies this label to experts who speak about aspects of the assassination that involve their field of expertise.
For example, when McAdams learned that a professor of neuroscience at a Canadian university rejected the lone-gunman view that Kennedy's backward head snap was the result of a neuromuscular reaction, he opined that the professor was either a "buff" or had been spoon fed erroneous information by a critic of the lone-gunman theory.
"You will also see that Mark Lane’s name is mentioned and his reliability as a proponent of JFK assassination theories is also called into question."
Yes - and he calls into question the reliability of anybody else that
he hasn't got a decent answer to. Character assassination (if you'll excuse the pun) is standard intelligence practice! Funny how news that Charlie Sheen downloaded pornography became public as soon as he started talking about 9/11. Funny how various academics have been tarred with the anti-semitism brush when they do the very same...
There are endless more examples.
Check out the article 'Twenty Five Ways To Suppress The Truth'...http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html |
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 04:38:11
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Originally posted by Scarla O
Point-by-point to Srisaket's post:
"However, the evidence of the fourth shot was based on acoustic evidence later proven to be erroneous"
Some people have claimed the fourth shot erroneous - however given that at least four bullets were found at the crime scene i think it reasonable to assume at least four shors were fired. One bullet to JFK's neck, one to the head, one clipping the side of the car and another grazing a police officer at the curb further along the road.
The head wound was described by the president's coroner as having come from the front and to the right - inconsistent with a shot from the book depository - afterwards they changed the results of the autopsy to indicate that the front right was in actual fact an exit wound! The trajectory of debris from the president's head clearly indicates the direction of the blow.
‘Mark Lane defended journalist Victor Marchetti's JFK assassination article in a libel court case in the early 80s at which various members of the CIA were called to witness and at which the jury came to the conclusion that E Howard Hunt - a CIA contract - was also involved in the assassination. I think you are referring to a libel case in Miami. E Howard Hunt was found guilty of ‘malice’ in the context of a libel conviction, not that he was involved in the assassination of JFK."
Yes it was a libel case which was being defended on the basis that the original newspaper article was correct - ie, that he was involved in the assassination of JFK. That withstanding, the various depositions given by senior CIA offiers produced information previously not known (Oswald having visited the Russian Embassy in Mexico for example).
‘So much of the evidence regarding Oswald had been tampered with - regardless of his culpability he didn't stand a snowball in hell's chance of a fair trial and the very fact that you state with such certainty that he was the killer just goes to prove the same.’
You might want to take a look at this link to a JFK assassination website regarding the subject of bogus evidence; http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bogus.htm. "
Of course i've been there - it's an interesting site but that's not the last word on it. In McAdams' opinion, anyone who defends the conspiracy position is a "conspiracy buff." McAdams frequently refers to those who reject the lone-gunman theory as "buffs." McAdams even applies this label to experts who speak about aspects of the assassination that involve their field of expertise.
For example, when McAdams learned that a professor of neuroscience at a Canadian university rejected the lone-gunman view that Kennedy's backward head snap was the result of a neuromuscular reaction, he opined that the professor was either a "buff" or had been spoon fed erroneous information by a critic of the lone-gunman theory.
"You will also see that Mark Lane’s name is mentioned and his reliability as a proponent of JFK assassination theories is also called into question."
Yes - and he calls into question the reliability of anybody else that
he hasn't got a decent answer to. Character assassination (if you'll excuse the pun) is standard intelligence practice! Funny how news that Charlie Sheen downloaded pornography became public as soon as he started talking about 9/11. Funny how various academics have been tarred with the anti-semitism brush when they do the very same...
There are endless more examples.
Check out the article 'Twenty Five Ways To Suppress The Truth'...http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
Thanks for the resposne - I will try to respond later on today. |
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Scarla O
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 08:29:00
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Yes - and he calls into question the reliability of anybody else that
he hasn't got a decent answer to. Character assassination (if you'll excuse the pun) is standard intelligence practice! Funny how news that Charlie Sheen downloaded pornography became public as soon as he started talking about 9/11. Funny how various academics have been tarred with the anti-semitism brush when they do the very same...
There are endless more examples.
Check out the article 'Twenty Five Ways To Suppress The Truth'...http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
Funny how KOK got reamed from here to eternity for daring to ask questions about 9/11 on FrankBlack.net
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 08:39:52
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‘Some people have claimed the fourth shot erroneous - however given that at least four bullets were found at the crime scene i think it reasonable to assume at least four shors were fired. One bullet to JFK's neck, one to the head, one clipping the side of the car and another grazing a police officer at the curb further along the road.’
If you accept that 3 bullets were found by the Dallas PD on the 6th floor of the Book Depository Building (actual physical evidence), then this would also mean that 3 of the 4 shots must have been fired by Oswald. I say Oswald because it was his rifle that was found.
Where is the physical proof of the fourth bullet or indeed other bullets that may have been fired by other shooters? Based on what I have read there is no record of any other bullets (or fragments of bullets) being found at the scene. The 1978 committee that accepted the dictabelt evidence stated that the fourth shot (later discredited by others) supposedly shot from the ‘grassy knoll’ was a miss – probably due (and here I am guessing) due to a lack of physical evidence. In addition the pdf link you pasted only records the presence of four shots as a maximum.
You say that two shots hit JFK, then which shot of the two shots accounted for the injuries to Connally? If it was the neck shot then this would indicate acceptance of the so-called ‘Magic Bullet Theory’ as the entry wounds in JFK’s neck and his position in the limousine would mean this would have to be from the rear and emanating from the TSBD.
I have never read of shots that hit the car. The one by-stander who was injured by a bullet fragment was standing in front of the motorcade.
’The head wound was described by the president's coroner as having come from the front and to the right - inconsistent with a shot from the book depository - afterwards they changed the results of the autopsy to indicate that the front right was in actual fact an exit wound! The trajectory of debris from the president's head clearly indicates the direction of the blow.’
I have to confess that I don’t know enough about the autopsy and what the results were to comment here. I will try to read up on this.
’Yes it was a libel case which was being defended on the basis that the original newspaper article was correct - ie, that he was involved in the assassination of JFK. That withstanding, the various depositions given by senior CIA offiers produced information previously not known (Oswald having visited the Russian Embassy in Mexico for example).’
Oswald’s visit to the Cuban embassy in Mexico City was known about when the Warren Commission compiled its evidence in the 1960’s - this was not new knowledge.
All the appeal court case proved was ‘malice’ – not that Hunt was involved with the assassination.
’Of course i've been there - it's an interesting site but that's not the last word on it. In McAdams' opinion, anyone who defends the conspiracy position is a "conspiracy buff." McAdams frequently refers to those who reject the lone-gunman theory as "buffs." McAdams even applies this label to experts who speak about aspects of the assassination that involve their field of expertise.
For example, when McAdams learned that a professor of neuroscience at a Canadian university rejected the lone-gunman view that Kennedy's backward head snap was the result of a neuromuscular reaction, he opined that the professor was either a "buff" or had been spoon fed erroneous information by a critic of the lone-gunman theory.
Yes - and he calls into question the reliability of anybody else that
he hasn't got a decent answer to. Character assassination (if you'll excuse the pun) is standard intelligence practice! Funny how news that Charlie Sheen downloaded pornography became public as soon as he started talking about 9/11. Funny how various academics have been tarred with the anti-semitism brush when they do the very same...
There are endless more examples.’
On the one hand you have the dyed in the wool Skeptic and the other a proven fabricator of conspiracy evidence (McAdams and Lane).
If you want to use the phrase ‘character assassination’ then you must also add the names of the people who were wrongly implicated by advocates of conspiracy theories (Clay Shaw, David Ferrie and others for example) - it cuts both ways.
I used to believe in all the conspiracy stuff associated with JFK, I read some of the many books (though none by Mark Lane). But now I don’t believe in it.
The lone shooter (Oswald) theory makes most sense to me given what I now know.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 09:21:15
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It's been determined oswald could not have made the shots as described using the gun he supposedly used.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/01/wkennedy101.xml
Oswald 'had no time to fire all Kennedy bullets'
By Tim Shipman in Washington, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 2:01am BST 02/07/2007
Lee Harvey Oswald could not have acted alone in assassinating President John F Kennedy, according to a new study by Italian weapons experts of the type of rifle Oswald used in the shootings.
The new findings will encourage conspiracy theorists
In fresh tests of the Mannlicher-Carcano bolt-action weapon, supervised by the Italian army, it was found to be impossible for even an accomplished marksman to fire the shots quickly enough.
The findings will fuel continuing theories that Oswald was part of a larger conspiracy to murder the 35th American president on 22 November 1963.
The official Warren Commission inquiry into the shooting concluded the following year that Oswald was a lone gunman who fired three shots with a Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle in 8.3 seconds.
But when the Italian team test-fired the identical model of gun, they were unable to load and fire three shots in less than 19 seconds - suggesting that a second gunman must have been present in Dealey Plaza, central Dallas, that day.
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Two of the bullets hit Kennedy, with the first - the so called "magic bullet", ridiculed by conspiracy theorists - also wounding the governor of Texas, John B Connally, after it had struck the president.
In a further challenge to the official conclusions, the Italian team conducted two other tests at the former Carcano factory in Terni, north of Rome, where the murder weapon was made in 1940.
They fired bullets through two large pieces of meat, in an attempt to simulate the assumed path of the magic bullet. In their test, the bullet was deformed, unlike the first bullet in the Kennedy assassination, which remained largely intact.
The second bullet is thought to have missed its target. According to the commission, the third disintegrated when it hit Kennedy's head. The new research suggests, however, that this is incompatible with the fact that Oswald was only 80 yards away, in a book depository, when he fired. The Italian tests suggest that a bullet fired from that distance would have emerged intact from Kennedy's head, implying that the third shot must instead have come from a more distant location.
The findings will encourage conspiracy theorists who hold that Oswald could not have fired three shots in time. For each shot, he would have had to push up the gun's bolt handle, pull the bolt backwards to eject the spent cartridge case and then forward to slide the next round into the chamber, before turning down the bolt handle to lock it in place.
Nearly seven out of 10 Americans believe that Kennedy was murdered as a result of a plot. Depending on which theory they back, the participants supposedly included any or all of the CIA, the Mafia, the Cubans, the FBI chief J Edgar Hoover, the military-industrial complex and Vice-President Lyndon B Johnson.
It is the second challenge in two months to the view of the Warren Commission that Oswald acted alone. In May, researchers at Texas A&M University argued that the ballistics evidence used to rule out a second gunman had been misinterpreted.
The findings will be a frustration to Vincent Bugliosi, the author of a 1,600-page book, also published in May, which claimed to put to rest all the conspiracy theories of the past 44 years.
The Italian findings will be hotly contested by those who believe that Oswald was a lone gunman - not least because they contradict firing tests previously conducted, using Oswald's actual rifle, by the FBI and the US Marines, and another study by Washington police marksmen using an identical gun.
Oswald would only have needed to reload the weapon twice in the eight seconds to get off all three shots, since the time was measured only from the moment he fired the first shot. The FBI concluded that a marksman could have fired a shot at least every 2.3 seconds.
In his book, Mr Bugliosi details how after just two or three minutes' practice with the gun in 1979, three police marksmen aiming at three targets representing Kennedy at the same distance from Oswald, got away three shots in less than eight seconds.
One marksman hit the targets twice and missed the third shot by an inch. A second shooter scored a "kill" with his second shot.
Mr Bugliosi recounts three separate ballistics tests that found that the magic bullet could have wounded Kennedy and Connally and emerged in similar condition to the real bullet. But that is unlikely to stop the Italian research fuelling another generation of conspiracy writers.
More - http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&hl=en&ned=us&q=oswald%20gun%20shots%20fired
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Orwell 1984 - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5464625623984168940 |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 09:27:19
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i especially liked the cinematography in APOCALYPTO. i wonder how much of that is Mel Gibson or if he just lets his cinematograhper do his thing...
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 10:53:35
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JFK assin is gay lol
"I hate how the reptile dreams it's a mammal. Scaley monster: be what you are!!" - Erebus. |
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mixedbizz
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Srisaket
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The King Of Karaoke
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 01:18:40
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Srisaket this discussion clearly could go on forever - it doesn't sound to me like I'm going to change your mind about the assassination and vice versa i think the same goes for me at the moment...thanks for the chat though :) |
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 02:33:36
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Originally posted by Scarla O
Srisaket this discussion clearly could go on forever - it doesn't sound to me like I'm going to change your mind about the assassination and vice versa i think the same goes for me at the moment...thanks for the chat though :)
Fair enough, thanks to you as well.
Cheers. |
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 17:52:37
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I would like to welcome this incredibly intelligent and beautiful woman into the world of the "crazy, conspiracy nut."
Juliette Binoche: Femme fatale
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml;jsessionid=YS2Y0UVBI0A3BQFIQMGCFGGAVCBQUIV0?xml=/arts/2007/09/01/sm_juliettebinoche01.xml&page=1
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The luminous and fragrant Juliette Binoche is not above tooling up for an action movie - as long as it's shot in the French arthouse style and directed by her boyfriend. By Viv Groskop
Juliette Binoche has spent her career turning down action roles. She told Steven Spielberg 'no' to Jurassic Park and refused a part opposite Tom Cruise in Mission: Impossible. 'I have said no to Hollywood roles where I've been asked to play a secret agent - always small roles where they are seductive stereotypes,' she says. Now finally, at the age of 43, she is playing the part she has always wanted: a female James Bond. 'This one was unusual for me. I am always trying to find something that is challenging and enlightening.'
Bond girl: Juliette Binoche is set to play a 007 role
In A Few Days in September she plays Irene, a tough-cookie French agent protecting an American colleague (Nick Nolte) from a CIA assassin (John Turturro). This, however, is the French arthouse version of an action movie. It is a fast-paced, violent, edge-of-your-seat thriller - but it also has lots of long silences and characters with bizarre quirks (Irene has a pet tortoise and Turturro's character phones his psychoanalyst between shoot-outs). It is the directorial debut of the Argentine-born screenwriter Santiago Amigorena, who also happens to be Binoche's partner. Reviews have compared it to Pulp Fiction and praised Binoche's performance as 'bad-ass but charmingly funny'.
It is an interesting move for the Paris-based actress, who could choose any role she wanted. Best known for her 1996 Oscar-winning performance as the grief-stricken nurse in Anthony Minghella's The English Patient, she was nominated for a second Academy Award for the commercially successful Chocolat, in which she starred alongside Johnny Depp, in 2000. Since then, Binoche has consciously taken more sober, intellectual roles: the frumpy, restrained wife in the word-of-mouth surprise hit of last year, Hidden, and a Bosnian war widow in her second Minghella film, Breaking and Entering.
A Few Days in September is witty and clever, but there is a serious point behind it - with which Binoche is more than a little obsessed. She describes it as a dramatised version of the events depicted in Michael Moore's documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. It alleges that various vested interests - including state security services around the world - knew what was about to happen on September 11, 2001.
While preparing for the role Binoche had long conversations with a secret agent, who consulted on the film and on whom she modelled her character. 'Of course he could not reveal everything to me, but he said a lot,' she says. 'Some things I forgot because it was just too much. Certain things I was very amazed by and when I told people close to me about them they just wouldn't believe it. Everything in there is true,' she adds, her eyes blazing with the fervour of a conspiracy theorist.
So is she saying the film is a dramatisation of real events? 'Absolutely,' she says. 'I went to see the Iranian ambassador at the time and he said of course it's true. Things that I thought were hidden and private… they were very open about it.' So she means the CIA and other agencies knew 9/11 was going to happen? 'Of course.' So is she saying it was an inside job? Or that al-Qa'eda was responsible? 'Everybody is responsible for it. If you only knew more, it's even more depressing.' She suddenly realises this is all getting a bit implausible and explodes into laughter. 'Humour is the only way we can deal with it.'
Binoche's stubborn insistence that everything presented in this (wholly fictional) film is true is in many ways unsurprising. In the past as an interviewee she has had a reputation as difficult, tense and moody. In her twenties she gave up talking to journalists for several years, describing the press as a form of pollution. Ten years after The English Patient, she does seem to have mellowed considerably - conspiracy theories notwithstanding.
The woman the French call 'La Binoche' has an effortless charm. Her nickname as a little girl was Juliette Brioche - supposedly she smelt as delicious as freshly baked bread. She still has a sort of fragrant, goddess-like aura. When we meet at the Dorchester Hotel in London, a favourite haunt, I almost have to stop myself from breathing her in. And she is trying hard not to intimidate: bitten fingernails, barely any make-up, messy hair, ripped jeans, a flesh-coloured bra strap peeping out from a creased camisole. But to no avail: the overall effect is luscious, radiant, ageless beauty.
She comes across as sweet but dangerously unpredictable, wearing her emotions very close to the surface. Minghella once said of her, 'She has no skin, so tears and laughter are never far away.' Any past misunderstandings almost certainly stem from her strange, transatlantic therapy-speak. We start in French but she quickly expresses a preference for English. A lot is lost in translation and many of the phrases she uses are harmless in her native language but comes across as harsh in English.
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 18:10:54
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if you're gonna appeal to authority, at least pick someone with... authority. :)
We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
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The King Of Karaoke
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 18:22:43
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my guys?
We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Dallas
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 18:36:26
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"Binoche's stubborn insistence that everything presented in this (wholly fictional) film is true is in many ways unsurprising."
KOK you must have missed the part in the parentheses. |
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The King Of Karaoke
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 09/01/2007 : 23:23:26
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I suggest that everyone interested in this thread rent this movie. It contains the truth.
The patsy strikes back
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