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The King Of Karaoke
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 Posted - 08/23/2007 : 13:25:40
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ugh...the video i linked to earlier clearly shows the "gun" as a reflection on his head. just because sometimes you see it as a gun does that mean it is? if you know anything about the human brain you'll know we try to find faces, patterns, and other recognisable objects in just about anything. ever seen a face in a cloud?
a comment by someone for one of these videos said something about skeptics never being skeptical of themselves. i think this applies here.
"Idiot" is just her sig.
I'm just trying to find out if you've ever seen a gun in a Vitalis glare.
So have you?
If so watch when JFK's head explodes in relation to the position of said gun and the reaction of the woman with the flowers behind the driver/possible shooter and see if this new theory is plausible. The problem now is that the new clip I watched suggest that footage has been doctored and the car may have actually come to a stop. If the driver stopped to make his shot that's intersting. But if everything is doctored can you even trust the footage at all?
That's all for today children
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Posted - 08/23/2007 : 13:27:59
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ahh man, i thought you might have been on to something with the 9/11 stuff.... but this is just incredible. i suppose if you believe in every single conspiracy theory then you're bound to get the odd few right?
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/23/2007 : 14:09:53
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I guess you don't see it. That's fine.
No, I don't know much about this conspiracy theory. I've seen most of one film and some clips like this one.
There's no doubt in my mind the Oswald story is B.S., but I don't know what went down and how. I'm looking at what appears to be a gun and the reaction of people around said gun after it would have been fired. The timing of everyones reaction when supposed gun would have been fired seems to give credence to the idea that it could have actually been a gun barely visible at the top of dudes vitalis glare.
You're only looking for a gun. And you don't see it.
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/24/2007 : 09:53:20
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have you read any of the material that i linked to in the 9/11 thread? i finally printed out 'Critical Thinking About Conspiracy Theories' (work in progress) - it's only 14 pages if you print double sided, and i thought it was a good read. definitely illuminates some of the irrational thought processes conspiracists go through. the other two should also be particularly interesting for anyone who believes in a JFK conspiracy.
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Posted - 08/24/2007 : 11:17:11
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Did Oswald own a skateboard? We're through the looking glass here, people.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/24/2007 : 18:12:26
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
have you read any of the material that i linked to in the 9/11 thread? i finally printed out 'Critical Thinking About Conspiracy Theories' (work in progress) - it's only 14 pages if you print double sided, and i thought it was a good read. definitely illuminates some of the irrational thought processes conspiracists go through. the other two should also be particularly interesting for anyone who believes in a JFK conspiracy.
"Idiot" is just her sig.
I will check these out. Thanks!
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 09:28:39
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I'll read this too "houston". You could hardly call it an unbiased opinion though. Same for Pixie. In both of these papers, the authors have a hard time not showing their colors right from the first paragraph. They are looking to group any conspiracy theory with all conspiracy theories. That's the hardest thing I have with these papers. I'm still reading it. I'll give you my full opinion when I'm done.
There are many incredibly foolish consiracy theories. Two that come to mind are The faked moon landing and there's one very comical one about the earth being hollow. I know two things for certain whether anyone here wants to believe it, 911 was an inside job and Kennedy was not shot by a lone gunman.
The Vitalis glare is probably not hiding a gun but I find it interesting considering what goes on in the car at the exact same time. I watched the video three more times yesterday and could not see a gun. But compare the argument to this Steve. You and I were lying in the grass one beautiful afternoon looking up into the sky at the clouds after a romantic 'Travolta style' picnic. Suddenly I think I see a dragon flying around up there but you say "No, it's just clouds". Then I say, "No look! Right there! I think it's a dragon! But again you sa,y "NO IT'S JUST CLOUDS YOU FOOL!" Then after a bit I start to agree (mainly because you let go of my hand in anger). Suddenly a giant fire breathing dragon flies down from the sky, into our village and destroys our homes families and crops. Upon seeing our village, homes and crops ablaze I say "Look everything is now on fire. It probably is a dragon" You shake your head and say "No someone was smoking in bed."
You cannnot deny the other clip where the Secret Service men are called off the car just before the shooting takes place.
Looks like Moore's looking to do it right this time? Note last paragraph please.
Michael Moore unveils 'Sicko' in Rome
Agence France-Presse
ROME - US documentary maker Michael Moore, in Rome on Friday for the release of his latest film "Sicko" targeting health care in the United States, praised Italy's system as one of the world's best but warned against complacency.
"Please present to me one Italian who has lost their home because they got sick," Moore said at a news conference attended by Italian Health Minister Livia Turco. "Medical bills now in the United States are the number one reason for personal bankruptcy, ... for homelessness."
Referring to Turco, he quipped: "She's the minister of health and I'm the minister of un-health."
Noting that 50 million Americans have no health insurance, Moore said: "All health care systems have problems, but at least you have a health care system that covers everyone. That's a human right, isn't it?"
The 53-year-old filmmaker repeatedly slammed Italy's right-wing former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi for slashing spending on health care, urging his centre-left successor Romano Prodi, who narrowly won elections last year, to "clean up the mess that Berlusconi left behind."
Moore jokingly apologized for referring frequently to Italy as number two, behind France, in a 2000 World Health Organization ranking that placed the United States at number 37 in performance despite leading in spending on health care.
He suggested that Italy, which already "beat France on the football field" to win last year's World Cup, could become number one in health care by making pasta from "whole-grain flour instead of processed flour, which turns to sugar in your metabolism."
Moore, who won an Oscar in 2003 for "Bowling for Columbine" and the Palme d'Or at Cannes for "Fahrenheit 9/11" the following year, said "Humor is very necessary when you're living in dark times."
He warned of "dark forces at work backed by US capitalists and US corporations that are not doing much good in the world."
Commenting on new French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Moore said his predecessor Jacques Chirac had intended "to dismantle the social state (but) when he tried to do that, people went out into the streets. So he became realistic. ... The same will happen with Mr. Sarkozy."
He added: "If you try to privatize things more, the more you try and do that, the more you are going to look like the United States."
Moore would not discuss his next film, "Fahrenheit 9/11˝," currently in production for release next year. "I'm not talking about it, because if I did you may never see the film," he said.
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 09:36:22
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Same for Pixie. In both of these papers, the authors have a hard time not showing their colors right from the first paragraph. They are looking to group any conspiracy theory with all conspiracy theories.
his main interest is in JFK conspiracies - so you can be assured he probably has that in mind throughout most of it. seeing as you believe in a JFK conspiracy, should suit you fine. most if it actually using JFK CT as an example.
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 09:45:44
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as for your cloud/dragon thing, i don't understand. all the forensic evidence showed that a cigarette was responsible, the majority of eye witnesses saw no dragon, and so on....
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 09:53:56
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as for your cloud/dragon thing, i don't understand. all the forensic evidence showed that a cigarette was responsible, the majority of eye witnesses saw no dragon, and so on....
"Idiot" is just her sig.
Yeah, the forensic evidence did show that but don't you find it strange that the scientists were hand picked by the evil warlock Gargamel Bush and have since been promoted to very prominent and lucrative positions? And the scientists and citizens that dare to ask questions get fired or are instantly labled as kooks? There are even extremely well written papers that use a lot of fancy words that stress that anyone that dares to ask questions of Gargamel Bush are kooks.
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 10:11:56
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hah, i was reading about that last night. he's mental.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 10:23:46
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David Icke - Interesting cat. I've seen this reptilian video. He spends two hours talking to some complete lunatic in Africa. I had to turn it off. I guess they give him credit for what he says about the elite(reptiles aside) because he predicted a bunch of stuff back in 92 that's actually happened. I don't mind hearing him talk about the elite's plans for the world and such but when he starts with the reptilian biz I turn it off.
Here's another British "conspiracy nut".
Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11
http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2893860.ece
I'm not intending to turn this into a 9/11 thread, I'm just showing that credible people are asking questions too. Since we keep posting about "conspiracy theories" (plural).
Here's another.
Today's NYTimes editorial:
Squelching the Citizenry's Back Talk
The White House certainly has been guilty of mismanagement and lack of
preparation on the big things, like the Iraq war and Hurricane
Katrina. But it turns out that President Bush's encounters with
ordinary Americans have been micromanaged and laboriously controlled
for the past five years to weed out the merest whiff of protest.
Citizen volunteers are enlisted to vet cranky-looking sorts outside
the event, and "rally squads" of zealots are prompted to pounce on
anyone who manages to slip through with an outspoken thought or an
unscripted word.
"Do not fall into their trap!" warns the presidential manual in
hypothesizing that protesters really want to be physically restrained
and attract media notice, not merely exercise their right to complain.
Instead, the roaming squads' task is to use their own "signs and
banners as shields between the demonstrators and the main press
platform."
Noisy protest? The rally squads' response must be immediate choruses
of "USA! USA!" to muffle the moment with patriotic chaff. These
vigilante squads are out of place in a democracy.
The chamois-tight precautions of the White House's presidential visit
manual surfaced in The Washington Post because of a First Amendment
lawsuit involving two people who refused to cover up the message of
their T-shirts at a Fourth of July presidential event. "Regime change
begins at home," was the familiar shirt message of one protestor who
was handcuffed and taken to jail.
The manual magnanimously advises local police to tolerate dissenters —
providing they are barred from the event through an ultra-loyalist
ticketing process and then cordoned well off from earshot and sight of
the president and his passing motorcade.
Every White House stage-manages presidential events, but this level of
obsession with silencing the vox pop is a symptom of this
administration's broader problem honoring Americans' constitutional
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 12:29:07
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re: the New York Times editorial .... how noteworthy that the mainstream press is giving all-important weekend editorial space on this. Of particular interest:
Bush's encounters with ordinary Americans have been micromanaged and laboriously controlled for the past five years to weed out the merest whiff of protest.
Citizen volunteers are enlisted to vet cranky-looking sorts outside
the event, and "rally squads" of zealots are prompted to pounce on
anyone who manages to slip through with an outspoken thought or an
unscripted word....The ...White House's presidential visit
manual surfaced in The Washington Post because of a First Amendment
lawsuit involving two people who refused to cover up the message of
their T-shirts at a Fourth of July presidential event. "Regime change
begins at home," was the familiar shirt message of one protestor who
was handcuffed and taken to jail. .... this level of obsession with silencing the vox pop is a symptom of this administration's broader problem honoring Americans' constitutional
freedoms.
So happy to be posting this from Canada.
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 17:05:35
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so where do you come down on the chemtrails KOK? is that another silly thing or does that hold some merit in your opinion?
because to me - and I'm not trying to be confrontational or anything - it's just plain silly. and in my opinion - just my opinion - I put the chemtrails and the fake moon landing and the 911 conspiracy all in the same bucket - complete foolishness
now don't go off half cocked and post another 100 youtube videos - this new version of you is quite agreeable - the guy who's not telling everybody to pull their heads out of their asses
that's just where I come down after carefully weighing the evidence and considering the sources
I'm perfectly capable of analyzing these things and thinking for myself - oh wait - hold that thought - I gotta run - OReilly's on!! (just kidding)
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 19:08:00
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The other more argumentative version of me came out (I feel) after being repeatedly attacked by people that refused to even look at what I was posting. Plus, we had, had disagreements in the past over why we were going into Iraq and I was called a nut then too. So I couldn't believe four years later I'm arguing with the same people. After only mostly getting attack responses I decided to just shove it in peoples faces. Wrong approach? For sure. But people claiming I didn't "inspire" them to look at it crack me up. Why should I have to inspire anybody to do anything? You have government which we all know is dirty telling us one thing, then we have a person with nothing to gain, a fellow proletartiat, saying hey take a look a this and tell me what you think. I've had these debates with friends and after a while - if they finally look at it and decide that what I'm saying is true - I have to ask "I'm your friend why wouldn't you even look at it? Why would you trust people you know to be liars before me?" I pride myself in being very honest and if I'm wrong about something I'll be the first to admit it. Without turning this into that other topic I'll just say that as the next few years go by I have a hard time believing more and more very credible people aren't going to be talking about it. You have an opportunity to take a look at it now.
Okay, back on topic.
Chemtrails? I don't know much about them. Pretty crazy theory. I've watched a video on them and the guy was pretty kooky. The reason I've looked into this theory is because I believe the other and said "Okay, what's this craziness about?" So jury's out it's not really anything I think about. There's some other stuff that goes with it called "orgone" look that up for a laugh.
Moon Landing. I watched this and thought the whole dust aspect of it was pretty intersting but the guy pushing it is a complete fucking asshole. Don't believe and Buzz Armstrong(is that his name?) was right to knock the guy out. Pretty classic if you haven't seen it.
What else? Aliens. I think there are craft flying around and they may just be our own suppressed technology. Are aliens going around anal probing everyone? Who knows? I don't really think about it.
What else is there? Are the pharmaceutical industries suppressing natural cures so that you will have to use there drugs? Absolutely. Not a doubt in my mind. If it can't be patented you aren't going to hear about it as a treatment. Note "treatment" because they don't want to cure anything.
Dyncorp Sex slavery scandal. I posted articles that appear to validate this. Or global slavery in general The more people on the planet the more expendable we become as individuals. Look at the global slavery documentary I posted. This is big business in other parts of the world. Why wouldn't they try to get the cheapest labor possible?
Anything else?
Did you read the Robert Fisk piece? Do you consider him a conspiracy nut now?
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 19:27:37
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
The other more argumentative version of me came out (I feel) after being repeatedly attacked by people that refused to even look at what I was posting. Plus, we had, had disagreements in the past over why we were going into Iraq and I was called a nut then too.
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 00:28:44
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here's a crackpot theory you might want to look into
- maybe, just maybe - you should be a little bit grateful for living in a time and place where you can sit at your computer espousing your thoughts when in another time and place you would have been happy just to get a job picking fruit.
the nightmare scenario that you seem to be so eagerly anticipating has already happened my friend - 100 times over - you're lucky to be living in this day and age - even with all of its faults
if you woke up tomorrow morning and the year was 1676 - and there was such a thing as the New York Times - what do you suppose the headlines would read like? it would be pretty grim my friend. WAR............DISEASE.............MURDER...........but it would be on a scale that you could scarcely imagine
we're not the first generation that's had to deal with hardships - in fact - we're really a bunch of spoiled brats - comparatively speaking - so have a little perspective and show a little gratitude
it's hard to argue with somebody who's argument is that everything is horrible - after all they have an endless supply of examples to point to
(actually - as i read back over this - i realize it's a little misplaced - i mean - this was supposed to be the JFK thread right? what the hell was I going on about? well - what the hell - I'll post it anyways - I was on a roll there...)
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 00:45:53
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 07:00:27
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You get a salted snack treat of your choice.
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I hate to get back on topic here, but what I don't get about the JFK thing, is, if the conspiracy theories are true, then why didn't whoever want him dead shoot him in broad day light, in front of 100s of witnesses, in front of his wife, with the strong possibility that there would be cameras and photographers around.
Why not just kill him and say he died in a plane crash? Or bomb attempt?
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 11:47:58
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And you people wonder why in the other thread I got so nasty. How come I can be attacked but when I decide to attack back I'm an asshole?
No Darwin, I wasn't speaking of you. We clarified that misunderstanding early on. Your insta-attack mode made me think you were one of the gang. And to be specific my argument four years back was that the Neo Conservatives have a plan called "The Project For A New American Century" which is basically an outline for global domination.
The Neo who? Global Domination? That's crazy! Your crazy! "Rape chambers, mass graves, weapons of mass destruction, democracy, freedom isn't free."
Good point acorahs. Why not just kill the guy? Because they have to make it look like a lone nut I guess? How many opportunties would you say are out there to do something like that? I guess the plane crash or poisoning but this isn't Russia. Bush tried it with Reagan and he still lived. *Lights match.*
So am I to understand that no one here thinks Kennedy was killed as part of a conspiracy?
Pixie Steve I'm 17 pages into "Critical Thinking of Conspiracy Theories" I had to put a good book aside for this I hope you see that I'm willing to look at anything other people have to offer. So far this is the problem I have with this kind of stuff. If the critical thinking criteria were applied to everyday crime scenes what are the chances that they would ever actually find any of the perpetrators? Particularly with murders. If we found a body of a child in the woods and applied the critical thinking model would we get any further than the autopsy? Do we have the right to question the sexual predator that lives two streets over?
Still reading though.
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 12:02:49
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Originally posted by houstonguthrie
here's a crackpot theory you might want to look into
- maybe, just maybe - you should be a little bit grateful for living in a time and place where you can sit at your computer espousing your thoughts when in another time and place you would have been happy just to get a job picking fruit.
the nightmare scenario that you seem to be so eagerly anticipating has already happened my friend - 100 times over - you're lucky to be living in this day and age - even with all of its faults
if you woke up tomorrow morning and the year was 1676 - and there was such a thing as the New York Times - what do you suppose the headlines would read like? it would be pretty grim my friend. WAR............DISEASE.............MURDER...........but it would be on a scale that you could scarcely imagine
we're not the first generation that's had to deal with hardships - in fact - we're really a bunch of spoiled brats - comparatively speaking - so have a little perspective and show a little gratitude
it's hard to argue with somebody who's argument is that everything is horrible - after all they have an endless supply of examples to point to
(actually - as i read back over this - i realize it's a little misplaced - i mean - this was supposed to be the JFK thread right? what the hell was I going on about? well - what the hell - I'll post it anyways - I was on a roll there...)
We are supposed to be progressing not regressing. So as things get worse and worse around me I should just learn to appreciate what I can still do? "At least I can still watch my favorite show on tv!" etc?
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 12:16:19
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I'm leaving your thread alone, but you mentioned me specifically earlier in the thread and I still believe you were partially referring to me when you claimed you were driven to being rude by the pro-Iraq supporters in the other thread (we didn't clarify "that misunderstanding"; I showed that your claim was false and you brushed it off as inconsequential). I'll continue to stay out of this thread, if you leave me out of it.
Well, I can't find the thread it took place in but I know I came back with an apology. I don't feel I brushed it off as inconsequential. If that was your impression I will clarify. I'm sorry for mistaking you as one of the people I used to argue with over the reasons for invading Iraq a few years back. At first read I felt your responses were similar to the ones I had recieved from those members so I assumed you were part of that group. I found it odd behavior to just instantly attack someone because they have ideas or opinions that differ from someone elses. Particuarly in a forum were you have the opportunty to debate your points intelligently and in detail.
I understand these are touchy subjects. Many people (maybe I'm one, maybe I'm not) believe there is a man living in the clouds watching every single thing we do. How are they dealt with? Should we stone them?
Okay, just wanted to apologize again Darwin. You are being left out.
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 17:17:00
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Wait! Didn't the Pixies meet at UMass? There's a conspiracy with a Pixies connection!
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 17:58:49
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Rather than bother rehashing all sorts of half-arsed JFK assassination conspiracy theories please bear in mind that there is far more evidence supporting the lone gunman theory.
Someone above mentions perception, well you can apply this to JFK as well. In a book I read a long time ago the writer (probably Gerald Posner) said that people have a problem reconciling themselves with the fact that Oswald did this alone by comparing this crime with those of the Third Reich in WWII. One the one hand you have the worst crimes ever committed (mass killing of Jews, Gypsies etc) perpetrated by the worst criminals ever (Adolf Hitler et al) and the other hand the public assassination of the leader of the most powerful nation on earth (JFK) by a wastrel loser from a broken home with a limited education (Oswald). Doesn’t square does it?
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Originally posted by Srisaket
people have a problem reconciling themselves with the fact that Oswald did this alone by comparing this crime with those of the Third Reich in WWII.
First time I'm hearing this one. I don't find it compelling, Interesting, though.
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Originally posted by Srisaket
a wastrel loser from a broken home with a limited education
Can describe Hitler, though his childhood home was beyond broken.
You make some interesting points, Srisaket.
I got some heaven in my head
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
Thailand
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 19:10:19
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Kathryn,
This is the actual quote from the New York Times:
‘Those who desperately want to believe that President Kennedy was the victim of a conspiracy have my sympathy. I share their yearning. To employ what may seem an odd metaphor, there is an esthetic principle here. If you put six million dead Jews on one side of a scale and on the other side put the Nazi regime — the greatest gang of criminals ever to seize control of a modern state — you have a rough balance: greatest crime, greatest criminals.
But if you put the murdered President of the United States on one side of a scale and that wretched waif Oswald on the other side, it doesn't balance. You want to add something weightier to Oswald. It would invest the President's death with meaning, endowing him with martyrdom. He would have died for something.
A conspiracy would, of course, do the job nicely. Unfortunately, there is no evidence whatever that there was one.’
(I can't believe I am posting on this topic - it is incredibly sad.)
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JFK Assassination
