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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 05/10/2003 : 05:57:16
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| Just change the title of this thread to "Frank Black Tribute CD Chat (Signup Phase Completed 5/1/03)". Voila: no more let-downs. |
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vegan
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 05/10/2003 : 09:12:46
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Update: I've got the arrangement for Announcement down, and will begin rehearsing with the "Ballerinas" this week. We'll probably record the middle of next week. Just a note, Cult of Frank, we'd like to be listed/credited as "The Built-in Rocket Tomatoes".
Peace,
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2003 : 09:21:28
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
The deadline was created:
a) "so this project can end" - thanks, Dave, I'm glad I have one supporter.
b) To get people who were interested started on working on it and deciding on a song.
c) To continue to motivate people as to some sort of final goal.
If I don't honour my deadlines at least a little bit, they become meaningless, and the goals for the project are out the window. I've run countless large projects, some spanning over a year in magnitude where we worked many hours a week and just barely made it, and whether you believe/trust me or not, this is what works. It is very true that we will lose people by the wayside as we go, but it's not fair to those who pushed and even panicked to choose a song and get on board for me to just let anyone slip later for all eternity.
I know that many have differing opinions on how this is best accomplished, but for now, I'm doing things the way I said I was going to do them from day 1, and that's it. If you have problems with this, by all means, email me and we'll discuss it there. I'm not on board to be criticized for every decision I make on behalf of bringing this CD to completion, I'm not being paid for this or benefiting in any way other than that I'll have a copy of some awesome FB covers when I'm done. I'm doing it for fun, and being undermined every time I try to move the project forward is seriously making me wonder why I'm doing it in the first place.
(quote editted to save space)
Alright, that makes sense. You are doing a good job with this whole thing and keeping it on track. And with doing it for free I guess we shouldn't be complaining because you are really into it. It's not like you only post once a week.
I guess also if there were no deadlines, eventually there might be about 75 contributors and that would be more insane than the already high number.
-Derek |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2003 : 09:23:19
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quote:
Originally posted by vegan
... we'd like to be listed/credited as "The Built-in Rocket Tomatoes".
Oh yeahh.. I need a band name. I gotta think of something.
-Derek |
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cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =
USA
442 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2003 : 11:09:53
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<kiss-ass noise on>
Cult of Frank, I'm with you re: having a solid set of rules.
<kiss-ass noise off>
Skeleton Man progress report:
DRUMS have been arranged, although it's tough taking FB's trademark "off-center pattern" and turning it into reggae, which is the type of music that traditionally features an even pattern arrangement. The chord pattern on many FB songs (especially Skeleton Man) are odd numbered, despite the usual 4/4 time sig. It's tough to explain this in a forum environment but I'm betting you guys know what I'm talking about, being FB fans yourselves. Separate bonus question: are there any FB songs in 6/8 time?
The GUITAR arranged itself: I think everyone knows what reggae guitar sounds like.
BASS arrangement was the most fun. I love bass in reggae tunes because it can go just about anywhere and still work.
HORN arrangement: still waiting for a verdict. What it will come down to is a question of cost/quality. We'll see.
VOCAL arrangement was also cool. The melody has been changed slightly, particularly on the "hold my hand" part. I'd like to get some female backing vocals but again...it comes down to cost.
Next: fine-tuning the arrangement & recording. Stay tuned true-believers! -Chris
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
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Posted - 05/10/2003 : 11:37:02
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Originally posted by cvanepps
Separate bonus question: are there any FB songs in 6/8 time?
I've thought about this before, and suprisingly i don't think there are many. Now I'm not sure the big difference between 3/4 and 6/8, so sorry if I'm mixing them up.
1.) Man of Steel has parts in 6/8 (intro)
2.) I think Pan American Highway is, even though the drum does that little offbeat weird thing.
3.) Crap, I knew another one but it slipped my mind.
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Edited by - ProverbialCereal on 05/10/2003 11:38:31 |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2003 : 11:41:48
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Oh oh, I remember, I think Parry the Wind, High Low does it near the end. Like Frank is playing in 6/8 but then the drums start doing something else like 4/4 or something. That end is so bizarre.
-Derek |
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cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =
USA
442 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2003 : 17:55:56
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I agree about Parry the Wind; it's pretty cool. Do You Feel Bad About It also has parts in 6/8 time. I Don't Want To Hurt You has a very weird 4/5 thing in the bridge that's equally cool. The Cult of Ray record is very much like Rodney Dangerfield (pre-brain surgery): it doesn't get any respect.
-= It's not easy to kidnap a fat man. =- |
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miguel
- FB Fan -
USA
213 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2003 : 01:56:58
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| ok.. what a roller coaster. I'm new here, I don't know anyone. I thought proverbialcereal was serious about me being on board, I just saw that isn't the case.. my fault.. but I swear I e-mailed on the 6th.. whether it reached anyone I don't know. It's from namjunerobot@aol.com. I already started recording i could stay here forever so I'm going to finish it. Maybe I could bribe you.. I've got a picture of me and frank! not likely? |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2003 : 09:56:26
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Sorry miguel. Didn't mean to lead you on there. But, do finish I Could Stay Here Forever because all the songs people contribute are gonna be uploaded to the FTP anyway. Only about 20 will make the final "virtua-album." I for one, as well as others, will probably end up downloading every 56+ song. I mean, if someone's favorite song is I Could Stay Here Forever, odds are they will want to hear what has been done with it and they'll download it regardless of what FTP folder it is in.
-Derek |
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eugovector
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miguel
- FB Fan -
USA
213 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2003 : 19:43:38
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| ok.. gotcha'. |
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Kingmob999
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 05/11/2003 : 19:45:51
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| I did a jazzy how you went so far in 3/4, thats all finished and Im still working on the rock version vocals. I hate my voice. |
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Kingmob999
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Posted - 05/11/2003 : 19:56:37
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| i really wonder how many songs actually get submitted in the end? Ill put my dough on half, what do you guys think? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2003 : 20:50:17
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Miguel, I'll also check for an email from you in my history and if I find one, you're on board.
Also, does everyone know that we're deciding the name in a different thread ( http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1687&whichpage=2 )? Please check it out, suggest a name, or at least vote.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 05/12/2003 : 01:12:24
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Sorry I'm late on this thread but: Manitoba is in 6/8.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2003 : 02:32:59
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Oh, and the obvious: Big Red. Plus Horrible Day, the very cool bridge of I Need Peace and the end of Surf Epic.
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2003 : 05:17:01
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Originally posted by ProverbialCereal
Only about 20 will make the final "virtua-album." I for one, as well as others, will probably end up downloading every 56+ song.
-Derek
I don't understand the concept of "virtua-album".
As you said, we'll download every song, so why make a virtual cd ? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2003 : 10:29:52
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| Because we didn't think we'd have enough submissions to have extra, so the initial plan was for a CD. We also are doing artwork (including tracklist) for the CD, so there's that distinction, and finally, it's a means of generating ambition to contribute the best song that you can and maybe putting that extra little bit of effort into it. And sometimes, that makes all the difference. |
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noexx
= Cult of Ray =
361 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2003 : 21:31:04
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so i am almost done with my 'man of steel' cover. is everyone else doing pretty much exact covers or are some of you trying to do you r own version of the songs you're doing?
i thought about really changing 'man of steel' but i know that it is a huge favorite amongst FB fans so i thought i might get criticized for messing it up. it is a little different but basically the same structure with some different instruments where others were.
i guess i get kind of stand offish when i hear covers that are vastly different than the originals.....but maybe that is the point of a cover?
i am trying to stay true to what frank did but not exact, like some notes are different......blah blah blah.....
just curious as to how everyone else is coming along i guess.
ryan
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2003 : 22:14:27
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I think the point of a cover is to redo the song so it sounds like a song you would have written. Or something along those lines. I'm not totally changing my cover around. The tempo isn't too different, but the melody, guitar effects, and other stuff are a bit different. I'm sure alot of people will be true to the originals, but hopefully they wont do carbon copies and try to mimic Frank's voice or duplicate his guitar tones exactly. I'm sure people will do a good job being creative even if they are true to the original.
I know what you mean about not wanting to change the origianl. I'm always afraid I'll try to hard to create something different from the original. Like some people might be changing chords from minors to majors or vice versa, or whatever, but I didn't feel led to do that. I didn't want to try too hard to totally add a twist to my song because, well frankly it's hard for me to do because some FB songs you just can't touch because they rock too much.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2003 : 23:06:16
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I swear that I thought I had read these posts before (well, the first one anyway)... but didn't see it. Anyway, it is very hard to do a cover of a song you think is great unless inspiration strikes you to do something different about it. I always find it remarkable when I go back to the originals that FB covers (eg: Evil Hearted You) and I'm blown away by how Frank takes a song I wouldn't have even let go through once on the CD player and makes it bleeping incredible.
That said, I thought about doing a cover of one of the songs I liked a little less than the others, I'm not going to name tracks or anything, but then I was working on a different song and I thought, "This would be great for His Kingly Cave". Talked over the idea with Speedy M, and he had some great ideas for the song too, and that was it. It's really still pretty true to the original(s) (maybe even too much), but definitely with a little bit of a twist. |
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
1013 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2003 : 11:34:15
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| I'm hoping this does not end up like the "Where is my Mind" Pixies tribute comp. Too many straight up covers on that one. So far it looks like everyone will put their own unique twist on things, so thats good. It is important to cover a song that fits your style, not just because it's your favorite. 1826 is well down the list for me, but in the end we felt it fit right in to what we normally do anyway.... Stay Tuned |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2003 : 20:18:51
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| I originally recorded a version of I Will Run that was pretty much a straight up cover. I decided to redo it not because it was a straight cover, but because I didn't like it (and the acoustic had too much low rumble). I'm gonna put a slight twist on it, although not too drastic. I'm working it out in my head and hopefully it'll come out on tape the way I hear it. |
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pong
= Cult of Ray =
France
315 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2003 : 04:15:38
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Originally posted by Kingmob999
I hate my voice.
oh, i know that too....
- Pong
"i'll be on the first fligh" |
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pong
= Cult of Ray =
France
315 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2003 : 04:18:14
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cult of frank, have you receive a lot of songs yet?
and, another question : how we send our songs to you?
- Pong
"i'll be on the first fligh" |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 05/15/2003 : 06:24:01
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| Pong, I've received about 5 songs so far, when you're ready to send your song to me, send me an email and we'll set up the transfer. |
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pong
= Cult of Ray =
France
315 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2003 : 07:29:39
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thanks.
uh, the final date for sending is the 31th may? it couldn't be the 15th june? that's just a question... a question by someone who is very busywork, and don't have a lot of time for recording correctly (well, as good as he can) a song.
- Pong
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/15/2003 : 07:48:51
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Dean-
I have a question for you in regards to format for the song.
We are recording it analog, and then transferring that to DAT.
So...if I send you a DAT tape, will that do? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2003 : 09:16:55
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| I don't really have anything to read that, is there some way you could digitize it (even as a PCM WAV if you have to - I can encode the 192 kbps MP3)? If not, I'm sure we can work some sort of setup out... I don't think you're the only one in this situation. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2003 : 11:17:38
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| There's gotta be a way to just output the DAT into the line-in on a PC, record it to a WAV, and compress to MP3. |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2003 : 16:24:45
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Originally posted by Steak n Sabre
I'm hoping this does not end up like the "Where is my Mind" Pixies tribute comp. Too many straight up covers on that one. So far it looks like everyone will put their own unique twist on things, so thats good. It is important to cover a song that fits your style, not just because it's your favorite. 1826 is well down the list for me, but in the end we felt it fit right in to what we normally do anyway.... Stay Tuned
I heartily agree with everything you said. While Brackish Boy is one of my least favorite FB songs, it's also one of the few that I feel could be improved upon in a cover version. (Bold words, I know.)
Also, to pong: deadline for song completion is the 1st of July. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2003 : 21:37:13
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I have a question, and this is in regard to when all the songs are uploaded to the FTP server so it may or may not be important right now. But did I not read somewhere that only 5 users may download simultaneously? Wouldn't that be a semi-problem being there are 1000 forum members and there will probably be at least 30-40 songs to download? Granted, not all 1000 forum members will be downloading every song, but a good chunk of us will.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2003 : 22:37:53
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Thanks, Chris... missed Pong's post there.
As far as the FTP site goes, this is a very good point, Derek... it will probably be like the days when the FTP server was first announced for awhile, I think. That is to say, congested. I'm open to other ideas, maybe Dave can up the user limit (5 is a bit low). Still, assuming most people have broadband by now, it should be back to normal. Maybe I'll just put the actual 'CD' on first, and then release the bonus tracks after a week or whenever Dave figures that traffic is getting back to normal levels.
I'm not sure if Frank's approval was contingent on it being shared on the FB.net FTP only (Dave, those original emails would really be handy!), but I don't see why a mirror couldn't be set up. Anyway, a good point and something to think about, I'll put some more thought into it. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2003 : 09:12:35
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I think releasing just the songs chosen for the CD first is a good idea, cult o' frank.
You made an ass out of u and me when you assumed everyone had broadband. I don't. ha. It's sad, I know.
-Derek |
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