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 Posted - 08/29/2004 : 08:34:51
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Right, mental midgets questioning the grandiose sweeping statements of retards?, hurrah for mental midgetmania!
Vote for who? I've been voting for the party I believe in and there are still a number of fuckwits in this country who play the safe vote game and keep any party that would make a difference out. I've been considering what I buy for years and do my boycotts make a huge difference to the companies? No. I tell everyone I know why thay shouldn't buy certain things, do they pay attention? Some do, but are our combined efforts making much of a difference, well no. Write to who? My MP? because they pay very much attention when I do? The press? They have their own bias, and their own agenda so that gets ignored. Real social change, right.
Surely you can see that some forms of protest are bringing issues to the attentions of people who might pass over it if they read a couple of lines in a paper or heard it from their friend. I'll admit, some protestors are total cocks, but educating the ignorant has to be valid in any form.
Like how the forum tries to educate you little ebb.
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Ebb Vicious
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Posted - 08/29/2004 : 08:44:50
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except that was my original point, protesting doesn't educate anyone who doesn't already know what you're talking about. the same people who won't listen to you when you advise them on what to buy certainly aren't going to listen to you when you are marching around like a menstruating militia.
i'm sorry you have no imagination, but one of the causes i feel strongly about is people shouldn't drive SUVs. i know that throwing a tantrum at car dealerships or at the WHQ for the big three isn't going to accomplish anything. it's stupid and a waste of time, and would do more damage than good.
so instead, i try to inspire change in the people around me by educating them -- in a non-annoying way -- about why driving an SUV is LESS safe than driving a car. they already know it's wasteful, they obviously don't care about that.
if you really want things to change you have to figure out how to get people to change their minds. it's not an easy thing. and while it may make you feel better to come up with clever slogans and scrawl them onto big boards on the end of sticks, it is worthless today.
the forum tries to educate me? no just a couple of you morons once in a while think you know better for whatever reason. maybe it is inconceivable that someone who refuses to wear kid gloves with you might already know everything you have to say? sorry we're all adults -- or close enough -- here, i am not going to coddle to you.
change doesn't happen overnight. do you think the modern atmosphere which is so much more accepting of homosexuality than just 15 years ago was caused at all by people marching or parading? no. it happened by real social education. more people coming out, and even more people refusing to accept bigotry.
whatever, i know you dipshits aren't going to listen to me no matter what i say. just trying to kill a little time this morning. |
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Posted - 08/29/2004 : 09:07:56
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Oh my oh me!
If by not listening I mean not agreeing in total then yes, but obviously I'm paying attention or I would not be posting would I? Your posts often give off a very narrow minded view of things, the world according to ebb is not the world we all see (thank fuck) but who are you to say what is right and what is wrong?
Now are we talking about protestation in the marches and banners form or all forms of protestation? Is my not buying nestle/shell/GSK products a form of protestiation that is pathetic? Is it wrong that I wore a "No War" badge last year? Is it wrong of me to sign petitions that come my way about the things I feel strongly about? I've never been on a march, or stomped around with a banner, I've tried to do the things in my tre-bubble that I think are important to deal with. I consider my vote carefully, I have written to many people about things in my area that are crazy, just last week I had to go round my suburbs bus stops because I found a fucking BNP poster with little leaflets on one of them. I've complained about this and has anything changed? has it fuck. Have you ever tried educating these narrow minded fuckwits who have no sense of the world outside themselves, who couldn't give a flying fuck about the war, racism, sexism, the pollution, the enviromental rape and pillage,the multinationals fucking people over, the drug companies charging the fucking earth in developing countries? They don't fucking care! As long as their TV works and they aren't paying much money for their generic high sugar food and their animal tested cosmetics and their brand trainers are expensive but not too expensive and their 3 cars have a tank full of petrol they could not give a shit. Protest is not for these people, banners education whatever, they will never fucking change. But you yourself can only know so many people, if your educating some of them works they might pass it on to some people they know and word of mouth will go round yes, but what about those people who are susceptible to understanding the causes that are important and are not hearing it? Is protestation not bringing it to their attention?
And coddling, no you aren't doing that, and no one expects you to, however, cutting through bullshit and insulting people like a dribbling tourettes machine isn't quite the same.
"......might already know everything you have to say?" Get over yourself ebb, and your superiority complex, it was once highly amusing and is now quite frankly a little stale
I've said before, I'm perfectly happy to trade insults for a bit, but you should also consider that other people have viewpoints that differ and are not necessarily wrong
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Posted - 08/29/2004 : 23:00:48
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you're too dumb for me, sorry. i'm bored of explaining things to you. |
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Posted - 08/29/2004 : 23:10:30
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I'm not sure what's being said here. Probably do to the fact that I have'nt read any of it. I do know there's an argument going on though.
For some I'm sure protesting helps give a feeling of importance in the world. Protesting does not send a effective message to the people in power. But hopefully it may get someone to focus thier attention on something othet than their television for a minute.
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Posted - 08/30/2004 : 04:32:27
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
you're too dumb for me, sorry. i'm bored of explaining things to you.
Gee you have a short attention span, like one of those ADD children who say fuck alot to get mommy to look at them, bored or run out of things to say?
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Posted - 08/30/2004 : 05:29:48
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For what itīs worth, I donīt think protesting is of any real value anymore, just gives the protestees a chance to send in agent provocateurs then the po-lice to wallop the hell out of everybody. Why leave it to just one march to tell everybody how you feel about certain conditions anyway? Look what happened with the poll-tax fiasco in England: simple refusal to comply withered that one away.
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Posted - 08/30/2004 : 07:00:24
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Protesting gives a clue to the general public AND the government/corporations/etc. that there are many people who feel strongly enough about a cause to be there and are willing to show their faces to the world and the face-recognition software. The vast majority of people that end up in protests are very active in their cause outside of that event, and are there to bear witness.
I watched the protests in NYC yesterday -on CSPAN- and I saw thousands of people. About 6 or 7 of them played to the camera to get attention, and it was quite obvious that everyone was aware the camera was there - they were walking right past a media pit.
The major power that we the people have to wage against a government that is working against our Constitutional laws, is peaceful protest -massive action in numbers. If we were to allow our only image of others like us to be portrayed by the biased media, we would lose our drive and begin to feel outnumbered, disenfranchised, and ostracized. I'm tired of getting the horrible impression that this country, this world, is only full of lazy, selfish, ignorant, willfully blind idiots. Protesting in numbers is there to give hope and energy and inspiration to ourselves and each other. If that spark is kept alive or ignited in another mind, more work will be done. Seeing those hundreds of thousands of people marching peacefully to give a face to the millions of dissenters in this country was invigorating, and it gave me hope.
Obviously protest has to go hand in hand with other more direct action. Protest serves the purpose of telling others -it IS important - I DO care - I've been DOING something and I'm here to let you know you're not alone - this is my face and I'm fearless. If we allow our only means of forcefully moving against the daily crush of the opposition, to be drowned out by naysayers, defined by its fringes, silenced by absurd bleating arguments "Four legs good, two legs baaaad!", then we will be lost. |
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Mommy, what's an activist?
