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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
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 Posted - 07/02/2004 : 07:16:20
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God, this topic turns out to be much more interesting than I supposed at first. Seriously.
I really love Canada, from East to West & from North to South, and I'm glad to learn a little more about its political issues.
Ciel, ce thème de discussion s'avère bien plus intéressant que je ne le supposais d'abord. Sérieusement.
J'aime vraiment le Canada, d'est en ouest et du nord au sud, et je suis ravi d'en savoir un peu plus sur sa vie politique.
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 08:05:50
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Originally posted by The Champ
Allright i can argue those to somewhat right now :)
Rent increases u have subsidised housing and rent control, just ask Jack Layton he was living in one even tho he was making the big bucks on toronto's city councile
Steven harper wanted and might still be able to add a 2000 dollar a year per child tax credit, now thats a damn good idea and am all for that considering its expensive to raise kids and thats one reason why we have a shrinking population and have to rely on immigration to keep our population from dwindling into nothing. Hey its a start in the righ direction and im sure thats all it would be, a start not a finish.
Rent Controls? Are you kidding? .....Did you know that NYC has even better rent controls than most Canadian cities? A lot of good that did them. In Montreal, it is not uncommon that landlords flip an apartment after someone leaves, and double the rent in the process (despite all the wonderful rent controls that look really great on paper).....I'm sorry to say that for the most part, your Free Market rules in this case. And by the way, Jack Layton was trying to set an example by living in social housing.....his city council salary made it so he was actually paying above average Toronto rent (coincidently).
As well, Harper was not the only one who promised increases in the Child-Tax Benefit....and judging from the Conservative Party Platform (available at his website) low-income family issues get little attention....which leads me to conclude that he jumped on the bandwagon with that promise. Gender issues also get no mention in the Con Platform.
All this to say that Harper is a technocrat. It would be great if elitists like him were forced to take courses in the social sciences....but sorry, he now be a Number Man, not a People Man. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 08:09:51
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Michael Moore first of all is making millions off of this movie, so i dont care what he thinks about Canada because hes not a canadian and doesnt know what hes talking about, neither does Ralph nader, and he proves he doesnt know what the hell hes talking about when he says
"...and the country would turn to a "pay-or-die model" of health care."
NO Ralph nader u ignorant idiot it would be covered under OHIP, ive said this a million times. OHIP OHIP OHIP!!!!!!!
OHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What im getting at is that both canada and the Usa has good systems, and in my opinion canada should take the good parts of the usa system such as low taxes etc, considering people are leaving canada with high educations to go to the states because of the tax system. Im not talking about turning Canada into USA #2 and neither was/is Harper. Canada's social programs are very important and im all for them, however the Liberal governemnt has done nothing to help change/ build canada since they were elected in 93, i can't think of a single thing. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 08:15:49
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| It doesnt matter if u think he just jumped on the Band wagon , the fact is that it was in his platform so he would thus do it, and yes it got significant coverage since i heard about it every day in some form of media |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 09:07:27
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Actually...yes...it does matter if he jumped on the bandwagon. He is less likely to follow thru....and of all of my friends who went to the US, none mentioned the lower taxes as an incentive.
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 09:36:51
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May I ask how OHIP is the answer to our countries continually raped and dwindling Health Care system?
Will my OHIP tax increase for 2004/2005 help everyone in the fishing inlets of the East Coast acquire the care they will need?
What does it matter where someone is born? Can you not have a intellectual view of an "outside" nation? But I guess if you consider Ralph Nader ignorant and an idiot I must say that knowledge cannot exist without ignorance.
How about the Conservative Party stating that they would like to investigate the opportunity for a Sharia Law mediation court system set up within the Canadian judicial system. This was a blatent attempt to get the Muslum/Islamic vote. There was no way that this investigation would have accomplished anything more than the answer "No"! Very sneaky and almost "slight-of-hand" by the Conservatives. How can someone conservative in value want to investigate the opportunity to set a global precedent by allowing a foriegn justice procedure to overide the system of justice that has been in existence since the nations conception? Just a crafty, vote-mongering politician hungry for power.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
It's step, hip, step, pivot! Are you trying to piss-off the volcano?! |
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 09:51:02
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You can't think of one thing that the Canadian Federal Government has accomplished since 1993.
How about if I mention this fact. It is from 1993.
The 1993 Report recommended that the Government:
abrogate its funding arrangements with the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador in respect of the Innu communities of Sheshatshiu and Davis Inlet and enter into direct arrangements with the Innu as Aboriginal people in Canada. Such arrangements should ensure that the Innu have access to all federal funding, programs and services that are available to status, on-reserve Indian people in Canada while preserving the unique aspects of existing arrangements such as the outposts program.
The land is now called Nunavut!!!!!!!!!!
Not a bad start for the Canadian people.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
It's step, hip, step, pivot! Are you trying to piss-off the volcano?! |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 11:18:16
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Talking about people who are not likely to follow through with anything, take a hard look at the liberals.
And i would like the governemnt to do more then one thing per decade , and perhaps something that actually means something to a significant amount of people. If ohip covers some private health care then that first of all shortens waiting lines , keeps canadians in canada to get health care which keeps the money here, and have efficiency brought into the health care system. I mean getting an MRI being the main one would save lives, the waiting lines are too long, and private clincs are the answere |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 11:19:01
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O yeah and FROG,
Could u plz explain how the health care system works in France? |
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 12:54:37
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I still don't understand how the Ontario Health and Insurance Protection Plan is going to benefit anyone other than the Ontarians?
All you have to do is get your neurosurgeon to say that you cannot wait and must have a MRI completed pronto and off to Buffalo you go with $500 in your pocket and you are good to go.
Here are a few more accomplishments.
Eliminated the deficit in 1997-98 making Canada deficit-free for the first time in three decades. Paid down $52.3 billion of debt by 2002-03.
Cut taxes by $100 billion over five years (2000-04) the largest cumulative tax reduction in Canadian history.
Reformed the Canada Pension Plan in 1997 to secure the future pensions of Canadians for at least the next 75 years.
Appointed Roy Romanow to head the Royal Commission on the Future of Health Care in Canada in 2001. In response to the Romanow Report, committed to invest an additional $34.8 billion over five years in the health care system (a further $2 billion was added in budget 2004).
Created a Health Council that will report regularly on the quality of the health care system.
Introduced the Canada Child Tax Benefit in 1997, a major initiative to help children in poverty. Support will be more than $10 billion per year by 2007 - or up to $3,243 per child - over double what it was in 1996.
Created, in co-operation with provinces and territories, the Early Childhood Development Initiative (2000) to provide greater access to good quality child care and early learning opportunities. By 2003, federal funding commitments for early learning and child and care totaled over $3.4 billion.
Established in 1995 Aboriginal Head Start, an early childhood program that helps young Aboriginal children prepare for school. Funding for this and related programs has been regularly increased.
Took a number of steps to protect the safety of women and children, including tighter parole rules for inmates serving life sentences; restricting access to the personal information of victims of sexual abuse; and strengthening criminal provisions against stalking.
Toughened the Criminal Code in 2002 to protect children from sexual exploitation. Those found guilty of making child pornography and of Internet-luring can be designated as "long-term offenders".
Doubled maternity and parental leave benefits to 50 weeks (2000).
Provided a six-week Compassionate Care leave for people who must take time off from their jobs to care for gravely ill or dying family members.
Introduced the Canada Education Savings Grant in 1998 to augment the Registered Education Savings Plan by as much as $400 each year per child. (This was further increased for low-income parents in budget 2004.)
Created the Canada Foundation for Innovation in 1997 to promote research at Canadian universities and hospitals. Invested $3.7 billion in the CFI, which has awarded research grants to more than 2,400 projects, almost half of them in the health sciences.
Created two thousand new 21st Century Chairs for Research Excellence in Canadian universities.
Created the Canadian Institutes of Health Research in 2000, committing more than $600 million each year for health-related research.
Established Genome Canada, a not-for-profit corporation dedicated to developing and implementing a national strategy in genomics.
Introduced a series of infrastructure support programs over the past 10 years. Federal commitments have totaled some $10 billion.
Created the Community Access Program in 1996 to connect small communities across Canada to the Internet. SchoolNet made Canada the first country in the world to link all schools to the Internet.
Invested $5.2 billion over six years in the national Agricultural Policy Framework which works on issues in food safety and quality, environment, science and innovation, renewal, and risk management (Budget 2000).
Passed the Clarity Act in 2000, helping to secure the unity of Canada.
Passed the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act in 1994 to improve public involvement in environmental assessments.
Ratified the Kyoto Protocol. Budget 2003 provided $2 billion to promote energy efficiency, renewable energy, sustainable transportation.
Led the international campaign to ban anti-personnel landmines resulting in the historic Ottawa Convention in 1997.
Chaired negotiations in 1998 leading to the establishment of the International Criminal Court.
Provided $500 million to promote Africa's development within an additional $1.4 billion over three years for international assistance (Budget 2003).
After deciding not to participate in the war in Iraq, Canada has taken an active role in the country's reconstruction with the provision of more than $300 million in humanitarian aid, and forgiveness of approximately $750 million of debt.
Passed the Anti-Terrorism Act; implemented the Smart Border initiative with the US to expedite the flow of goods and people while dealing with security risks; and in 2001 provided $7.7 billion over five years to enhance security and make Canada's borders secure, open and efficient.
Created the Territory of Nunavut in 1999.
Passed Bill C-24, which eliminates most corporate and union donations to political parties and enhances disclosure requirements.
Spearheaded the first of many Team Canada trade missions in 1994.
Do any of these mean anything to a significant amount of people?
Just curious.
We should be helping the Government change from the inside not just opposing it.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
It's step, hip, step, pivot! Are you trying to piss-off the volcano?! |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 14:56:12
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| Parole is a joke in canada, u know that, the jail system is a joke in canada , u know that, Child porn is an artform for somereason says the suprem court of canada, the fact is they have not done enough to protect the innocent people in this country. U say tightend laws, well their not tight enough considering life sentences get plea bargend down to a matter of years every damn time, look at carla halmoka, she was eligable for parole like last year, yeah really tough on crime in this country. Theirs 35000 people we ordered deported and have no idea where they are, thats the type of crap im talking about. They balanced the budget by cutting 25 billion from health care, allowed it to go all to hell, then realised they should put some money back in that they took out, amazing. Over spent by billions of dollars on a number of projects, o and we have corruption in the governemnt. Paul martin lies and lies never answeres any questions and thats the kind of guy u want as P.M.?? He also said the spon scandel would be resolved before an election would be called....Nope not resolved and the election went forward anyway, i wonder why? what an ass hole. O yeah and kyoto wont work since the usa wont sign on ever, so its another waste of time. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 07/02/2004 : 15:51:52
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haha..college education. Hilarious!
Despite the efforts of some of my educated friends, i'm still doing better than some of them, financially.
I'm not laying blame, nor would i wish to make significantly more.
And just so you know, i make $25-35/hr, i'm self-employed and have been for the last 6+ yrs.
 Join the Cult of the Flying Pigxies - I'm A Believer! |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 16:42:08
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
haha..college education. Hilarious!
Despite the efforts of some of my educated friends, i'm still doing better than some of them, financially.
I'm not laying blame, nor would i wish to make significantly more.
And just so you know, i make $25-35/hr, i'm self-employed and have been for the last 6+ yrs.
Join the Cult of the Flying Pigxies - I'm A Believer!
What do you do and are you hiring? |
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
4307 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 16:48:31
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Originally posted by BrendanT
Created the Territory of Nunavut in 1999.
yeah, 'cause before that we weren't having any of it, now we have Nunavut! 
"That's Nuckin' Futs" |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 17:03:30
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| Dave man your not poor |
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Canada: Election Results
