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TheCroutonFuton
- Mr. Setlists -
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 Posted - 05/23/2004 : 20:34:45
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Originally posted by Slick
Most gay people were molested as children/teens.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that...Most people who were molested at those ages either:
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A.) Become pedophiles and molesters themselves. (About 30%, probably.)
B.) Have personality disorders. In example: Creating another personality to take the pain...thus having multiple personality disorder..Plus just plain old manic depression. (About 65%.)
C.) Become homosexual. (About 4%.)
D.) Become serial killers. (About .3%.)
E.) Nothing happens..they are lucky. (About .7%.)
1 in every 3 girls are molested as a child and 1 in every 4 boys. Most of the time by someone they know and are close to. (ie: Father.) The world is a fucking sick place.
(* = These are just guesses...I'm trying to find a website with some stats right now...)
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 05/23/2004 : 20:45:36
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
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Originally posted by Slick
Most gay people were molested as children/teens.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that...
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 01:15:31
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
So all he's trying to 'prove' is that there's it's not all perfect on the other side, which I find it hard to believe anyone could take exception with. Don't be so defensive!
but no one was arguing that it was perfect on the "other" side.
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On an unrelated note, not being against it (i.e. being tolerant) doesn't necessarily mean you are all for it.
i think this is part of the problem too. not that everyone should be all for it, and hoping their kids turn out gay or something. .
but i just find that so many people say they don't have anything against it, but really they do. like my sisters in-laws. they'll say, "it doesn't bother me, they can do what they want' on one hand.. but then make comments about how they're "freaks" and "sick people" etc.
Yeah, I never said I think that people are arguing gay life is perfect, just that if people were able to keep their heads clear they'd see that was all BLT was trying to say, whether relevent or not (though he's clarified it so this is a moot point). Obviously you can't have an honest discussion when one side instantly is offended by anything/everything that doesn't match what they agree with.
And your second point is interesting, I'm not sure whether it's worse than someone completely against it and wanting to impose their will on the gay (in this case) community, but it's a problem. But everyday there are people making choices I don't agree with. I deal with them a lot. Am I better to condemn them for not following what I believe is right (or force them to adhere to my standards) or am I better to say, well, I don't agree with it, or I think you've got a problem or, ... , but it doesn't hurt anyone and it makes you happy, so by all means.
I'm not sure there's a definitive answer, just an interesting thing to consider. I suppose I'd take tolerance over everyone being self-righteous, but maybe tolerance isn't that far from being two-faced?
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 02:00:09
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
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Originally posted by Slick
Most gay people were molested as children/teens.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that...Most people who were molested at those ages either:
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A.) Become pedophiles and molesters themselves. (About 30%, probably.)
B.) Have personality disorders. In example: Creating another personality to take the pain...thus having multiple personality disorder..Plus just plain old manic depression. (About 65%.)
C.) Become homosexual. (About 4%.)
D.) Become serial killers. (About .3%.)
E.) Nothing happens..they are lucky. (About .7%.)
1 in every 3 girls are molested as a child and 1 in every 4 boys. Most of the time by someone they know and are close to. (ie: Father.) The world is a fucking sick place.
(* = These are just guesses...I'm trying to find a website with some stats right now...)
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic
I don't think it's that relevant to the topic, but, well, I run another search at ISI and, well, actually, he's not quite off.
Tomeo et al. (2001)
"Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent Of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation."
Lenderking et al. (1997): 35.5% of homosexual and bisexual men reported being sexually abused as children.
Bradford et al. (1994): 25% of 1,925 lesbians surveyed had been sexually abused or raped as children
Simari and Baskin (1982): 46% of the gay men reported
experiencing incest, all of the homosexual sort, between 9 and 16 years of age. 38% of the 29 gay women reported experiencing incest.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 07:55:15
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Im totally with Ramona on this one. As you know, I too have a gay parent, and over the years, you become accustomed to being VERY defensive of them. If any one (im not saying any one on here has done this) even suggested that I had an unstable, or disfuctional upbringin, or the way i am now, is because of my mum being gay...well, I dont know what id do. But I have had a fantastic upbringing, and my mother is the best i could have ever dreamt of - especially when i look around at other people upbringing.
However, this is NOT to do with the fact that she is gay, as such. but the fact that she is naturally a very good mother.
This crap about homosexuals being molested more so than hetrosexuals, im sorry, but what are you trying to prove? that if you were molested then you turn out gay?! well sorry, but newsflash, you either are gay, or you arent. you dont 'turn' gay, youre are born gay. its just like being born iwth blue/green/brown eyes or something like that. Its in your genes.
I know tons of people who have been abused or molested and are far from gay. Just as I know tons of gay peole who havent been abused.
Could I ask you to check the date on those statistics?
And also could it not be something more to do with (lesbians in particular) gay people being more open about the injustice of society, and generally being more open about when something unjust has happened to them? I think theres is also alot more support out there for homosexuals, and much more opportunites for them to opn up about such a subject.
Of course, i am being lazy, and generalising big time here. which is slightly contradictive of me to do so. but hey, im tired!
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I did not ask for what I have got.
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 08:29:56
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
So all he's trying to 'prove' is that there's it's not all perfect on the other side, which I find it hard to believe anyone could take exception with. Don't be so defensive!
but no one was arguing that it was perfect on the "other" side.
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On an unrelated note, not being against it (i.e. being tolerant) doesn't necessarily mean you are all for it.
i think this is part of the problem too. not that everyone should be all for it, and hoping their kids turn out gay or something. .
but i just find that so many people say they don't have anything against it, but really they do. like my sisters in-laws. they'll say, "it doesn't bother me, they can do what they want' on one hand.. but then make comments about how they're "freaks" and "sick people" etc.
Yeah, I never said I think that people are arguing gay life is perfect, just that if people were able to keep their heads clear they'd see that was all BLT was trying to say, whether relevent or not (though he's clarified it so this is a moot point). Obviously you can't have an honest discussion when one side instantly is offended by anything/everything that doesn't match what they agree with.
And your second point is interesting, I'm not sure whether it's worse than someone completely against it and wanting to impose their will on the gay (in this case) community, but it's a problem. But everyday there are people making choices I don't agree with. I deal with them a lot. Am I better to condemn them for not following what I believe is right (or force them to adhere to my standards) or am I better to say, well, I don't agree with it, or I think you've got a problem or, ... , but it doesn't hurt anyone and it makes you happy, so by all means.
Here's a shock, maybe you don't need to say ANYTHING. Most people are fully able to make their own desicions and they probably don't need your approval OR your input.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 08:33:34
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interesting statistics. never heard of or seen that correlation before... would be interested in seeing other sources of similar statistics... my brother is gay, he was never molested, of that i can be pretty darn sure.
has it been proven that people are born gay? i didn't think it had. i thought there was still a case for upbringing or circumstances having some affect? i mean okay, for example, a girl is mis-treated by her dad as she grows up, she doesn't trust men as a result, so she turns to lesbianism?
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TheCroutonFuton
- Mr. Setlists -
USA
1728 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2004 : 08:41:57
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Hmm....I don't want to sound like a prick, Dean, but maybe you should do something about it. If you just sit there and think "Oh, well I don't agree with that. Oh well." nothing will ever happen to change the bad things in the world. Do you tolerate racism? I sure don't. Do you tolerate sexism? I don't...and that's exactly what this is!
Whoever said, "I think this will be the last civil rights movement." is wrong....there will be plenty more after this. I mean, it's not like racism has been done away for. It's still around. People just can't accept that other people are different. I never understood why that was so hard for them to comprehend..but it obviously is.
[sarcasm]OH NO! People who live in the sun more than us have more melatonin and are darker! OH LORD NO! Other people are raised to believe different things! OH FUCKING NO! Some people like the same sex![/sarcasm]
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 08:44:48
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crouton, could you use a smaller pic in your sig dude? it's a bit big...
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TheCroutonFuton
- Mr. Setlists -
USA
1728 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2004 : 08:47:06
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Originally posted by bumblebeeboy2
i mean okay, for example, a girl is mis-treated by her dad as she grows up, she doesn't trust men as a result, so she turns to lesbianism?
Why won't you dance for me, like you danced for him?
Actually...she's going to end up being attracted to men that are like her dad more than anything. It's true. Most women marry men who act like their dad. Most men end up marrying women who look like their mom. I'm completely serious. She's going to fall for an abusive asshole and her life's going to suck if she doesn't understand that her dad isn't the number 1 man in the whole world. I believe it's call the "Electra Complex".
Oh, another thing...I think some of the sexual preference things are just trends. Bi-sexualism? PLEASE! I bet there are VERY FEW true bi-sexual people out there. It's just "cool" to be bi-sexual now. It's so dumb because all of the people who have "converted" aren't really attracted to the same sex. I don't know about you...but I can't just turn that switch by myself. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb!
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TheCroutonFuton
- Mr. Setlists -
USA
1728 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2004 : 08:48:41
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Ah, alright, sorry, let me find one...oh hell, I don't need a picture. There.
I think it just looks smaller to me because my screen resolution is 1280 by 1024. Sorry!
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 08:55:02
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Originally posted by ramona
Here's a shock, maybe you don't need to say ANYTHING. Most people are fully able to make their own desicions and they probably don't need your approval OR your input.
Apparently, none of us should have said anything in this thread without completely agreeing with you. Since we tolerate and don't completely see eye-to-eye with some of the viewpoints offered here, we should probably just shut our pie-holes and go to the next thread. Trying to have a sensible discussion on this matter is like talking to Rush Limbaugh about flag-burning. |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:01:09
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What the hell?? I wasn't saying he didn't need to say anything to ME. God. READ the quote above from Dean. What I MEANT was that if he sees something he doesn't agree with, he doesn't NEED to comment.
And how nice of you to TOLERATE people with a different viewpoint from yours. I am sure they are thrilled.
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:02:24
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
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Originally posted by Slick
Most gay people were molested as children/teens.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that...Most people who were molested at those ages either:
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A.) Become pedophiles and molesters themselves. (About 30%, probably.)
B.) Have personality disorders. In example: Creating another personality to take the pain...thus having multiple personality disorder..Plus just plain old manic depression. (About 65%.)
C.) Become homosexual. (About 4%.)
D.) Become serial killers. (About .3%.)
E.) Nothing happens..they are lucky. (About .7%.)
1 in every 3 girls are molested as a child and 1 in every 4 boys. Most of the time by someone they know and are close to. (ie: Father.) The world is a fucking sick place.
(* = These are just guesses...I'm trying to find a website with some stats right now...)
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic
I think that these statistics are idiotic and if I still had my old files, I'd correct them. Practically every woman I've ever met, myself includeed, was messed with in some way in a child and exhibits neither personality disorders, abusive behavior or serial killing. Mostly we're just pissed off about it. |
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TheCroutonFuton
- Mr. Setlists -
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:04:24
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Hmm...you'd be surprised how many really do have personality disorders...being young like that the connections in the brain are still being made and stuff like that totally fucks a person up. Sorry.
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:07:28
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i think mel mentioned something about how she can't stand some straight men, the way they talk and stuff, but it doesn't mean she hates all straight men... an interesting thing i found when my bro came out as gay and chatting to him about it, we actually share a common dislike, we both can't stand really over-the-top campness, i think stereotyping of gay people has done a lot of harm, some people think gay person and they see a really camp guy or they see a butch lesbian... it's that age old thing, if more people took the time to talk to different people, get to know them, we might all get on a bit more... 
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TheCroutonFuton
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:25:28
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
Hmm...you'd be surprised how many really do have personality disorders...being young like that the connections in the brain are still being made and stuff like that totally fucks a person up. Sorry.
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic
Certainly the people who end up w/MPD are more highly publicized, but you have to understand that it often takes years of severe and repeated abuse before you're going to end up with a person who has 49 personalities. The human psyche is a fairly resilient thing. There are degrees of abuse and resulting damage, as with anything else. Most often what you'll see is far less dramatic--women who battle post-traumatic stress disorder, frequent bouts of adult depression or low self-esteem, drug/alcohol abuse, that kind of thing. Thankfully, I had good therapy in my late teens and must confess to not feeling "totally fucked up" at all these days. Sorry. |
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TheCroutonFuton
- Mr. Setlists -
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:26:29
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Hmm...read my edited post before commenting? Sorry.
Oops! HAHA! There was like a 5 second difference! Sorry! But yeah, you're right. I didn't mean to imply you're "totally fucked up".
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:30:07
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Originally posted by ramona
And how nice of you to TOLERATE people with a different viewpoint from yours. I am sure they are thrilled.
I don't know if they are thrilled but they don't complain. |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:33:30
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
Hmm...read my edited post before commenting? Sorry.
Oops! HAHA! There was like a 5 second difference! Sorry! But yeah, you're right. I didn't mean to imply you're "totally fucked up".
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic
Nah, I'm not offended. You just want to be careful about generalizing when talking about something that affects 1/3 of the female population. Chicks get kind of uppity about that.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:36:49
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a third of the female population were molested as kids? or have i skipped a post or two and followed this one wrong?
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mereubu
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:40:41
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:48:17
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Originally posted by mereubu
1 in 3 is 1/3, right? Kids or teens.
yes... i know 1 in 3 is 1/3...
i was surprised by the statistic.
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TheCroutonFuton
- Mr. Setlists -
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:49:41
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Again, I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to do anything wrong, haha, I feel bad! Anyways...yeah, totally didn't mean to generalize! Also..1 in 4 boys. Kids or teens, as well. Scary stats..
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 09:57:41
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okay, no idea where you guys/gals are getting your stats from, but the NSPCC (a children charity over here) shows this... (I understand you're probably quoting american stats, but they're not really relevant to the whole world) 
it splits the stats into any childhood sexual abuse (including exposure and stuff) and contact sexual abuse
UK - 21% for women, 11% for male (any csa), 16% women, 7% male (contact)
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/inform/Info_Briefing/PrevalenceAndIncidenceOfChildAbuse.asp
quite interesting, didn't really show up as a third though as was implied, not for the US either as far as i can see.
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TheCroutonFuton
- Mr. Setlists -
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 10:02:04
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England is less perverted than the US. Lucky.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 10:04:17
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
England is less perverted than the US. Lucky.
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic
if you read that link i sent, i saw nothing of the 1/3 or 1/4 that has been suggested? any other stats anywhere?
the link has US stats too...
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TheCroutonFuton
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 10:09:16
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There was an article in today's Guardian, written by, as he calls himself, "a practising Christian for want of a better word." He's talking about the notion of Christianity has been hijacked by the Christian Right, and how offensive he finds many of their policies. It was actually a really well written and interesting article, but anyway, I quote:
"I heard on the radio this week that the day gay marriages were made legal in Massachussets, a church member was carrying a placard saying 'God hates fags.'
I think that regardless of their standpoint on the issue, virtually all Christians would distance themselves from that attitude. Its utterly reprehensible and unChristian.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 10:09:35
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
http://www.girlhealth.org/emotions_molestation/facts.html
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic
thanks, can't see any direct reference to actually stats, one of the links wouldn't work. i was just curious as to how they calculated that statistic, what criteria was used and so on...
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 10:19:08
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Originally posted by bumblebeeboy2
interesting statistics. never heard of or seen that correlation before... would be interested in seeing other sources of similar statistics... my brother is gay, he was never molested, of that i can be pretty darn sure.
has it been proven that people are born gay? i didn't think it had. i thought there was still a case for upbringing or circumstances having some affect? i mean okay, for example, a girl is mis-treated by her dad as she grows up, she doesn't trust men as a result, so she turns to lesbianism?
Why won't you dance for me, like you danced for him?
No, you dont 'turn' gay. Its not something that just...happens. Its is in the genes. you either are or you arent. NOTHING to do with upbringing or anything of that sort.
Obviously, when I say this, im not talking about the straight guys bought up in homophobic places who never come out, or the kids bought up in open minded places who will probably experiment a little.
Crouton - about the bi sexual thing. I totally agree. Girls in particular think its 'cool' and willl get guys interested in them if they say they fancie girls. However, if you turned round and asked one of these girls if they could fall in love with another girl, have a long term relationship, make a commitment - the answer is unlikely to be 'hell yeah'.
Homosexuality isnt just about fancying the same sex - its how you relate to the opposite sex versus your own. Im not really explaining this very well.
Its like, I know im not gay, because I could not be in a relationship with another female. I do not get on with women in that sorta of situation. Men and women ARE completely different with the way we approach life and certain circumstances. I happen to not reallly like the females way of doing it.
Yesm, i am attracted to women, but i wouldnt go around saying im bi, as such. I find the female form on turning, but im much more likely to pick a guy instead.
I love you for what I am not,
I did not ask for what I have got.
You will get used to me.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 10:23:58
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so mel, you're saying you're either gay or straight, there's no *real* bi's or in the middle... and it's all in your genes?
i hate to shoot on your parade, but there is no gay gene, none that are known at this present time. so how can you say people are just born with it, if it's not in their genes?
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
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Posted - 05/24/2004 : 10:31:40
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Im not saying there is no in the middle! thats not what I said at all, what I meant by that post was its seems to be a craze amongst younger girls to say they are bi. sure, some of them might be, but, as crouton said, it just seems like a bit of a fshion recently. Im not saying that Bisexuality doesnt exist, no, not at all.
This isnt liek the be all and end all of gay definitions, by the way, its just the way I see it.
Just because something is not proven, does that mean it is not real simon? If everyone thought like that we'd still be thinking the world is flat.
You dont turn gay. its not like...i dont know changing your hair colour as someone said earlier.
Its in your destiny, and your fate for this life time. Its just like your preference to blue or green eyes, blondes or brunnettes, or other attributes you prefer in people...
Could your brother pin point what made him 'turn' gay? I dont think he could
I love you for what I am not,
I did not ask for what I have got.
You will get used to me.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2004 : 10:39:17
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"just because something isn't proven doesn't make it not real" - how can you prove that events, your upbringing or anything like that makes you gay? how do you know that people are born gay? how do you prove that? by finding what makes them gay... and where would that likely be? in genes? can they find it yet? no.
you're the one who claimed people can't turn gay. that they are born gay. so you prove that. i simply said i didn't think that was the case, some might be born gay, sure, maybe most...
and don't get me started on destiny...
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Gay Marriage? What do you think?
