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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1973 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  04:32:58  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage  Reply with Quote
http://www.millan.net/funp/80/nomilk.html





The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <

USA
3759 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  09:43:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's more than fine with me.
Tall glass of puss please!
http://www.notmilk.com/

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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1887 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  13:44:14  Show Profile  Visit ObfuscateByWill's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke

That's more than fine with me.
Tall glass of puss please!
http://www.notmilk.com/




I've mentioned the whole 'somatic cell' thing to a few people I know.

They kinda wince and say it's gross, but then keep on keepin' on.

Double-Gross.



*I used to be into sadism, necrophilia, and bestiality, but I gave them all up when I realized I was flogging a dead horse.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <

USA
3759 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  14:00:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank's Monsanto corporation, for this delicious glass of puss, antibiotics and hormones!

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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
  http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ 

Edited by - The King Of Karaoke on 05/08/2004 14:01:04
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~

Spain
2674 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  14:01:10  Show Profile  Click to see Newo's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
www.milksucks.org

-Owen
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =

United Kingdom
17125 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  15:09:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Aaah milk! 'tis a beautiful thing!

Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <

South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  15:44:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Milk's a good thing if you're trying to get diabetes.
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *

1965 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  15:46:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No sugar tonight!

"(insert clever quote here)"
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =

Mexico
15297 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  15:47:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yeah, but have you tried cereal with soy milk?

can you say "ass"?
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1973 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  15:59:43  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage  Reply with Quote
you and me baby ain't nothing but mammals, so we should drink real milk!



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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  16:07:12  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I like milk.

Drink it every day. Organic, pasteurized, with no hormones or antibiotics.
Seems pretty trendy these days to dis milk. Aren't there more villainous products out there to get upset about?


I like people who glue macaroni on to a piece of cardboard and paint it gold. That's what I aspire to basically. - Tom Waits
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1973 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  16:08:22  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't like milk.
I love it. A-ah!



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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *

1965 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  16:09:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
More villainous products to get upset about... like BULLETS for example!

"(insert clever quote here)"
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1973 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  16:13:32  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage  Reply with Quote
GENETICALLY MODIFIED BULLETS



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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <

South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  17:19:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible

you and me baby ain't nothing but mammals, so we should drink real milk!



Didn't your mama ever ween you?
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1973 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  01:52:14  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You bet she did, for 24 years!



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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =

United Kingdom
17125 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  03:37:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote






Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =

United Kingdom
17125 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  03:38:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why is milk the fastest thing in the world?
Because it’s pasteurised before you see it.


Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1973 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  04:06:38  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Milk milk milk,
I love milk
Milk milk milk
Milk's friends are my friends
The enemies of milk are my enemies
The enemies of friends of milk are my enemies
Whereas the enemies of milk's enemies are my friends
And so on...



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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =

United Kingdom
17125 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  04:23:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Then my good man, I am your friend!!!

Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-

France
2715 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  09:37:03  Show Profile  Visit Frog in the Sand's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sorry to disappoint you, milk lovers, but there are some things you should know.

In short:

- Milk is indigestible by adults. The enzyme required to digest lactose (milk sugar) disappears from the digestive system after weaning. Moreover, the enzyme required to digest casein (milk protein) too disappears from the human intestine at the age of 3. This simply means that the large majority of adults is lactose / casein intolerant.

By the way, this double intolerance may cause various diseases, typically digestive and dermatological problems but also infections, diabetes, heart disease, and even breast cancer according to a recent study.

- Milk consumption doesn't make your bones and teeth stronger - it's a legend. Milk - especially cow milk - is so high in proteins that it causes an over-secretion of acidic gastric juices ; and the only way for the body to neutralize this over-secretion is actually to withdraw calcium from the bones. Some studies done in the 80s have showed that people who drink milk every day have the weakest bones of all, while people who avoid it have the strongest bones!!!

Not convinced? Remember that no animal - except man - drinks milk after it's weaned, and also that Orientals have always avoided milk, except as a purgative. Now you know why!

In conclusion, my friends:

Forget milk, it's pure shit
Sure you won't regret it!



"Welcome back to the 10th grade!"

Edited by - Frog in the Sand on 05/09/2004 09:38:33
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =

Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  10:57:13  Show Profile  Visit SpudBoy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I grew up around dairy cattle, and it was family tradition to maintain some weeping sores on the cows to suck on when we got overheated working in the fields. The milk was for market, you know...off limits.


FYI - 25% of the world's population retains the lactase(enzyme) production levels required to digest lactose. Only 3% of the world's population have allergy issues with casein. The calcium issue is twofold - first the milk calcium is not in a form easily absorbed by the body, unlike in broccoli, beans, leafy greens (watch for those pesticides, even BT), or fish with edible bones (not too much though - heavy metals and all). Secondly, the consumption of *any* animal protien, or caffiene, or salt, will leach calcium from your system. Choose accordingly.
There are benefits and detriments to everything. Just be aware of them, and how they mesh with the rest of your particular varibles. Upon further consideration, though, maybe we should switch...http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2000/05/11/stories/08110004.htm

Disclosure: I drink milk regularly, but stick with the organic non-BGH/antibiotic/etc kind. I'll drink pus over chemical waste any day.




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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1973 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  11:45:53  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage  Reply with Quote
"Milk is indigestible by adults. The enzyme required to digest lactose (milk sugar) disappears from the digestive system after weaning. Moreover, the enzyme required to digest casein (milk protein) too disappears from the human intestine at the age of 3. This simply means that the large majority of adults is lactose / casein intolerant"

That isn't true. SOME adults are lactose intolerant, definitely not the great majority.



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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -

USA
2953 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  12:10:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I mean I'm 21 and I have milk almost everyday. If I couldn't digest it wouldn't I be puking it up every morning with my cereal? Or maybe at least getting stomach aches? I never feel icky after drinking milk.

Also I've never broken a bone in my body. So I could care less what studies say because .. well frankly my bones are not weaker from drinking milk. And also, c'mon, studies done in the EIGHTIES? If you would have said the 90s it might have backed up your case more. Not sure if we can trust anything that came out of the 80s.


Just quit a cult / going through withdrawal
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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
2025 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  12:20:29  Show Profile  Click to see Coldheartofstone's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Anything?
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1973 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  12:21:44  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A friend of mine was lactose intolerant after taking creatine (he plays american-football), and believe me, you know it when you're lactose intolerant.



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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -

USA
2953 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  12:27:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Coldheartofstone

Anything?


... is this asking me if I haven't broken anything?

If so, nope, I've never broken anything.

Also, it sometimes hurts when I cut my finger nails because they seem tough. Milk must make my nails extra heavy duty.

It's best to cut your nails after a warm shower, that way they are softer.


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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
2025 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  12:31:10  Show Profile  Click to see Coldheartofstone's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ProverbialCereal

Not sure if we can trust anything that came out of the 80s.


Just quit a cult / going through withdrawal



Thats what I was asking...
My nails are pretty tough to but I don't drink milk...
I dunno someone told me about that puss crap and I just get a little pukey when I think about drinking milk with chunks of.....

Oh god...
UUHh...

The only milk I drink now is in my coffee.
well cream...which is probably worse but...OH GOD!!....

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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -

USA
2953 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  13:01:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I only really "drink" milk with my cereal. I actually don't like the taste of milk when it's flying solo. It's gotta be with cereal or freshly baked chocolate chip cookies.


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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-

France
2715 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  13:37:36  Show Profile  Visit Frog in the Sand's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible

A friend of mine was lactose intolerant after taking creatine (he plays american-football), and believe me, you know it when you're lactose intolerant.



Wrong, Sir. Lactose / casein intolerance does not necessarily mean you get sick when you drink milk or eat cheese... It simply means that your body is unable to assimilate (and eliminate) milk sugar and proteins.

It seems your friend had a lactose allergy, which is different.

Lactose intolerance can easily go unnoticed, but in all cases, and like any type of intolerance, it results in an accumulation of toxins which may later cause various diseases. Sorry but it's a proven fact. Another proven fact is the disappearance, or quasi disappearance, of the main enzymes (lactase and rennin) required to digest milk, after weaning.

If you don't trust 80s studies, have a look at this site: http://www.nomilk.com/ ...


"Welcome back to the 10th grade!"
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =

Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  13:56:22  Show Profile  Visit SpudBoy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Seems to me like the equivalent of going to moveon.org for research on American politics. Every study has an agenda. If you are looking for a connection, you will find one.




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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1973 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  14:00:15  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Nomilk.com : what an objective web site.





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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =

Mexico
15297 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  14:29:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
without milk, what are you going to eat Oreos or chocolate chip cookies with? or, i suppose anti-milk people don't eat Oreos or chocolate chip cookies either becasue they have sugar and preservatives in them, which are very baaaaaad. only shit-tasting, organic, soy oatbran cookies for you, right?

jesus christ, what is the world coming to?

this is making me so angry i need to go have a cigarette.
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =

Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  14:34:56  Show Profile  Visit SpudBoy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I heard that if you soak your cigarette in milk and let it dry in the sun, it will make you hallucinate when you smoke it.




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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1973 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2004 :  17:07:10  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Cigarettes will kill you. Better try window cleaner.



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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-

France
2715 Posts

Posted - 05/10/2004 :  03:18:38  Show Profile  Visit Frog in the Sand's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I didn't intend to offense you, guys. I just meant to inform you. I'm a good man, ya know. I thought I could help you feel better, healthier. After all we form a kind of virtual family, don't we? ;)

That said, your reactions don't really surprise me, because I reacted the same way when I was advised by a doctor to stop drinking milk, 8 years ago. I wasn't really sick, I wasn't milk allergic. I just felt a bit tired, and suffered banal but recurrent stomach problems. The man told me: "If I were you, I'd stop drinking milk and eating cheese, just to see what happens". Stop drinking milk??? I was dismayed, almost shocked - at the time I was a milk lover, yeah, a real milk fan. And of course, I was convinced that 'milk is good for health'. Then the doctor asked: "Have you ever seen an animal - say a calf - drinking milk after it's weaned?" I confessed I had never seen that. He added, "So tell me why men should drink milk after weaning?" "Er... I answered, because we need calcium, I guess". He laughed. "Right, we need calcium, but calcium is everywhere, you know. Nuts, seeds, green vegetables are rich in calcium. Some seeds are even richer in calcium than milk."
I finally stopped consuming dairy products in 1998 and, believe me or not, I've never got sick again since then. Yeah, never. No cold anymore. No infection. No stomach problem. No headache. Nothing.

Later, as a journalist, I discovered that the only 'good' reason to keep drinking milk is to make the dairy lobby happy and prosperous.
As you probably know, the US and the EU produce too much milk, so much that our governments (that is, you and me) have to subsidize the milk industry to the tune of billions of dollars each year, and require milk and cheese in their school breakfast / lunch programs.
The American Association of Pediatrics says 60 percent of ear infections in kids under 6 years of age are milk-induced? No matter. Dr. Benjamin Spock, the U.S. leading authority on child care, says milk causes anemia, allergies, diabetes, and sets kids up for obesity and heart disease? Nevermind. Be nice. Be a good citizen. The dairy lobby loves you. The national economy needs you. So shut up and drink. Cheers!!


"Welcome back to the 10th grade!"

Edited by - Frog in the Sand on 05/10/2004 03:23:20
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