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TheCroutonFuton
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 Posted - 02/28/2004 : 22:34:33
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http://www.pluggedinonline.com/music/music/a0001224.cfm
Look at that absurd review of In Utero. I don't think they know what irony or sarcasm is. I decided to send them an e-mail:
Hello,
You need to understand the value of irony. I read your review of the album "In Utero" by Nirvana only to find the stereotypical:
"Worse yet, "Rape Me" is destined to be an accessory in violent crimes against women by suggesting that they enjoy being sexually assaulted-repeatedly ("Rape me my friend . . . hate me, do it and do it again")."
If you had opened your mind and done some research you would have found out that Nirvana played many rape benefit shows. In fact, Kurt Cobain said:
"Rape is one of the most terrible crime on earth. The problem with groups who deal with rape is that they try to educate woman about how to defend themselves. What really needs to be done is to teach man not to rape; to go to the source and start there."
The song "Rape Me" is a very ironic song against rape. It's sung from the victim's point of view and it's basically, "Rape me all you want. It doesn't make you better than me. You'll be in jail and will end up getting raped yourself for this, so go right ahead."
Unfortunately, one song by Nirvana actually was an "accessory in crime". The song's name is "Polly" and it's about a real girl who was kidnapped, raped, and tortured. Kurt only wrote about particular events when they touched him in some way. Kurt later found out that two men were singing the song while they raped a young girl. He was very distraught at the news and got even more depressed than he already was. That song is also ironic. It's art. It's poetry. Irony is part of art. So is sarcasm. Not everything is supposed to be taken at face value. You need to stop being ignorant and do some research about the story behind the song before bashing it. You're being very close-minded and biased.
The song "Dumb", which you criticized for referencing using glue as a drug for a hangover. In this case the song is supposed to be taken metaphorically. It's made to be haunting. It's a song about being happy...but not being sure if you're truly happy or whether you're simply oblivious to how horrible the world is. Most Nirvana songs mock "macho" men. Another fact for you: In the liner notes of "Incesticide" it says "If you're a racist, a sexist, a homophobe, we don't want you to buy our records."
As for the homosexual undertoned "All Apologies"...how is that wrong? If you think that teenagers don't go through a stage of personal sexual discovery than you're wrong. Everyone has "homosexual" tendencies. It's a proven fact. It's not like we can help it, it all has to do with chemicals and hormones. This song lets people realize "I'm not strange for finding someone of the same sex somewhat attractive." I realize you're a Christian website...but even then, it's not right to discriminate. You are homophobics. Most times people who are "homosexual" are either born that way or become that way thanks to sexual abuse at a young age. They don't have a choice. The whole "bi-sexual" thing infiltrating schools now is merely a fad. If you believe that homosexuals go to hell...well I just think you're wrong. I don't think God makes so many of his children suffer. He's not that jealous or selfish, atleast not the God I believe in. You can say "Oh well the bible this and the bible that!" and I won't listen. Life is about loving everyone no matter what their sexual orientation, color of skin, or religion. Jesus said that himself. He also foresaw the churches twisting his words. God loves all of us.
I hope you read all of that and took it seriously. I appreciate you taking the time to read this (if you did).
God Bless,
Nathan Gepper
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 02/28/2004 : 22:50:19
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Let us know if you get a response. I hate when Christian magazines reviews CDs like that.. they take it so literally. I remember a review a while ago for Weezer's first album... something about how they are beer worshippers. haha
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/28/2004 : 23:13:59
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Well that is crazy! The entire song "Say it Ain't So" (My favorite Weezer song) is all about being scared of alcohol. It's about Rivers' dad becoming an alcoholic and bailing on him and then going to the refridgerator and seeing an open can of beer and thinking it was going to happen again. Lame.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/28/2004 : 23:17:43
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These are the same people who blame their kid's suicides on satanic, evil verses that are audible when you play a Judas Priest album backwards. It's all about blame. If we are to believe them, civilization's going down the shitter because pop icons - nowadays, mind you - are evil and convince the otherwise good but highly impressionable kids to be homosexuals and murderers.
I won't deny that the media is a powerful force, and you absorb a lot from it inadvertantly, but you have to have a good enough head on your shoulders to be able to differentiate between fantasy and reality, between your own outlook on life and somebody else's. If you can't do that, then how are you going to make it through life? If not the music of Nirvana, then some catalyst somewhere is going to set you off eventually, whether it just turns you gay or makes you start shooting up students and teachers at your high school. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/28/2004 : 23:18:53
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| The above message was meant to appear before your last post about Weezer, Crouton, in which case it makes more sense. |
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 02/28/2004 : 23:32:14
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People are stupid and try to find any scapegoat they can. The media can be a factor, but it's blamed too much for school shootings or kids growing up and turning into serial killers.
Violence didn't originate from the media; it's not like people didn't know what violence was before the Media existed. I mean, was TV or Marilyn Manson around when the Crusades were going on?
People now have the Media to blame for their own stupidity. It pisses me off.
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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 06:41:43
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are you still paying attention at those right wing christians?they are just hypocrites full of crap.the list of groups that they consider "harmful" is endless and includes practically everybody from the beattles to ozzy osbourne.i remember they accused ozzy for the suicide of a boy that killed himself listening to one of his records.how stupid is this?or blaming marilyn manson for the columbine massacre.or confiscating dead kennedys' franchenchrist for the giger poster thet came with the album.they don't even worth a reply.
you know that the bibble says that when the antichrist will return to earth he will be a person apparently full of good intentions but evil inside and that he will decieve people with his fake moralism.my bet is that he will be one of those moron christians.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 11:08:44
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My favorite website in this vein is <http://family.org/>. Among other things, it implies that "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" is going to turn kids into serial killers. I also love the movie reviews, which consider words like "heck," "dang," and "stupid" to be curses.
It isn't only the bias that gets to me in such reviews, but the fact that, as ProverbialCereal said, they take everything totally literally. The general rules seem to be:
1. Every song is autobiographical. Even ones the singer didn't write.
2. If a kid hears about something in a song, they'll want to do it. Promiscuous sex, drugs, homosexuality...you name it.
3. If a song is sung by someone who is gay, it'll make kids turn gay, even if the song doesn't specifically reference homosexuality.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 13:20:56
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What's hypocritical about these reviews, is that all these things are in the Bible:
Murder
Rape
Homosexuality
And these things aren't just mentioned in passing, i.e. - "Don't murder or rape," but there are examples and "graphic" stories with these in them. We could take a passage out of the Bible, and if it stood on its own apart from the rest of the Bible, it wouldn't be any different than one of these songs. These jerks need to take a literature analysis class.
What if these people reviewed "Dead" by the Pixies? We should make a website that writes parody reviews like this.
"Adulterer Black Francis (whose name suggests evil connotations) bluntly describes lusting over a woman, and killing another man to win over a woman. Crass language continues throughout the song as the singer tells of his erection, and then goes on to explicitly recount his sexual experience."
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 13:36:42
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We should! That would be great!
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El Barto
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USA
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 13:50:37
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Christianity is a disease.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 14:03:19
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What if these people reviewed "Dead" by the Pixies? We should make a website that writes parody reviews like this.
Yeah, but someone would probably take it seriously.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 15:04:34
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That website would probably ask me to write for them.
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Cheeseman1000
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 15:11:42
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"In Utero is noxious noise with no redeeming value."
Eeeexcellent.
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cvanepps
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USA
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 23:17:00
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Christian nuts and most religious types are not artistic to any degree whatsoever. They have no use for things like irony because it doesn't teach them anything. Irony is not a thing they have a use for. The only things they learn from are the bible and a Republican-run white house. However, in this equal opportunity world of the internet, consider that their opinions are no less valid than ours. Their opinion of Nirvana is coming from their own bias-laden and extremely subjective viewpoint. It would be like asking the KKK to review the Spike Lee "joint" Malcolm X. Would you be interested in reading that review?
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 23:39:17
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There is one "Christian" band I like. They are called Five Iron Frenzy. They have this sarcastic song about cowboys and how they were jerks to "Indians" and stuff. It's called the Old West
West or bust in God we trust,
Let's rape, let's kill, let's steal,
we can almost justify anything we feel...
Their songs are clever and they overall rock. Of course they just broke up. They had a cute chick saxophone player who me and my friend talked to after one of their shows, and she likes the Pixies and Tom Waits. Score.
If you want a good laugh, read pluggedonline's review of a Perfect Circle.. the last paragraph is hilarious
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Mad Dawg
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Posted - 03/01/2004 : 00:05:16
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CrutonFuton, what were you doing reading that site in the first place? I think Kurt was pretty messed up in the head. He probably wouldn't have ended up shooting himself if he went to church once in a while. Courtney is a real winner too.
From the box office receipts this weekend I think it's safe to say Christianity is not dead. There will be more reviews.
I thought it was Funny that Mel didn't show at the academy awards. I wonder if he was scaird he's get cruxified?
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glacial906
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Posted - 03/01/2004 : 00:12:22
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| Who said christianity was dead? El Barto said it was a disease, and I tend to agree. I'm sure that Kurt Cobain had already formed his own opinions about the existence/non-existence of God; it wasn't as if he didn't know about religion. |
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Mad Dawg
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Posted - 03/01/2004 : 00:50:24
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Originally posted by glacial906
Who said christianity was dead? El Barto said it was a disease, and I tend to agree. I'm sure that Kurt Cobain had already formed his own opinions about the existence/non-existence of God; it wasn't as if he didn't know about religion.
I love it when people think they know the secret meaning of songs written by dead guys. I met Jim Morrison a few times when I was staying at a band called Spirits house in Venice/Santa Monica. (I was 12, escaped from school, and Randy picked me up hitchhiking down sunset blvd) Neither band was famous yet. Jim was a crazy drunk guy that smelled bad. He babbled a lot. Someimes he would write down what he was babbling.
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glacial906
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Posted - 03/01/2004 : 00:56:39
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| I mean simply, he already knew that Christianity was an option, not that he knew specifically what he believed. I haven't listened to alot of Nirvana in years; I don't know if there was any specific indication given in any of his songs. |
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 03/01/2004 : 06:33:20
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From "Lithium":
I'm so happy 'cause today
I've found my friends ...
They're in my head
I'm so ugly, but that's okay, 'cause so are you ...
We broke our mirrors
Sunday morning is everyday for all I care ...
And I'm not scared
Light my candles, in a daze
'Cause I've found God
Hey, hey hey
That song is about staying at a friend's house for a couple of months. His friend's parents didn't like Kurt but said they'd let him stay if he lived by their beliefs while he was there.
Mad Dawg...Kurt always said a lot about his songs and what they meant..
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jediroller
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Posted - 03/01/2004 : 08:11:33
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Someone once said "Rape Me" could have been about Cobain's relations with the press...
I commend your effort Crouton, although I'm afraid you're wasting your time.
Anyway, thanks for the link. This is quite funny.
Of course I went straight to their reviews of Marilyn Manson's albums (and unsurprisingly, they had a few), but it was too predictable to be amusing.
I noticed that they find nothing objectionable about Michael Bolton ('Bolton's soulful voice is adored by fans, tolerated by casual channel surfers and maligned by critics. Say what you want; he keeps it clean') and Celine Dion ('Teens fond of passionate, upbeat adult contemporary will consider A New Day Has Come worth the wait. A glorious musical celebration of the fabric of life'). Heh.
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Carolynanna
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Posted - 03/01/2004 : 10:22:23
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Originally posted by ProverbialCereal
What's hypocritical about these reviews, is that all these things are in the Bible:
Murder
Rape
Homosexuality
And these things aren't just mentioned in passing, i.e. - "Don't murder or rape," but there are examples and "graphic" stories with these in them. We could take a passage out of the Bible, and if it stood on its own apart from the rest of the Bible, it wouldn't be any different than one of these songs. These jerks need to take a literature analysis class.
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Good point.
The bible should be at least rated R.
There's alot of horror and violence in that thing. |
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remig
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 00:38:15
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These christian morons are just like mollahs and ayatolas saying US is Satan, they need an enemy.
To convince people and keep their power, they need believers to focus on something simple to hate, and provide simple answers.
If arabs are poor in the middle east, it's because they have dictators (ok US might have help some of them ).
If some retarded kids turn into drugs or suicide that's because they have awful lifes.
It's easy to say it's the fault of an evil power, you don't have to criticize society.
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VoVat
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 15:52:42
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I think Kurt was pretty messed up in the head. He probably wouldn't have ended up shooting himself if he went to church once in a while.
Yeah, because Christians never commit suicide, right?
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El Barto
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 20:19:39
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They don't commit suicide often enough, that's for sure...
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Gav Williams
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 05:23:03
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Christian reviewers give us so much mirth, changing their opinions is not only futile but would deprive us of so many well-deserved laughs. For a real hoot, check out www.landoverbaptist.com a Christian parody website (not that many of them need parody, they do a pretty good job on their own). The letters section is hilarious were all these Christians who just can't fathom the irony send in their objections. Splendid.
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Cheeseman1000
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 12:18:19
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Originally posted by El Barto
They don't commit suicide often enough, that's for sure...
"Join the Cult of Brit / And let your oral hygiene go out the window."
Notice how this post is both big andclever.
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NimrodsSon
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 12:38:15
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Originally posted by Gav Williams
Didn't Frank say "I was a reborn Christian until I was about 14 and then I died again"?
That quote's great! I could use it for my own life.
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apl4eris
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 13:02:12
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Originally posted by Gav Williams
For a real hoot, check out www.landoverbaptist.com a Christian parody website (not that many of them need parody, they do a pretty good job on their own). The letters section is hilarious were all these Christians who just can't fathom the irony send in their objections. Splendid.
Didn't Frank say "I was a reborn Christian until I was about 14 and then I died again"?
Thanks for the link - at a glance it smacks of The Onion - good stuff...
"Accept Christ, Get a Free PlayStation 2! Special offer for kids only! Skate as Jesus upload to Tony Hawk's Underground included!"
Here's another that gives me a chuckle: www.bettybowers.com/" target="_blank">http://www.bettybowers.com/
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El Barto
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 19:15:52
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Sorry to go off topic, but GAV! Nice to see you around :) landoverbaptist.com is fucking great...their Playstation 2 giveaway floored me.
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NimrodsSon
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 19:19:26
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Yeah the playstation thing's about the funniest thing I've ever read. The review of "Passion of Christ" is great too, not necessarily funny, but good nonetheless.
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gracie
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 09:26:46
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Has anyone seen that film yet?, it's not out in the UK till the end of the month.
I'm thinking of watching it, (just for the violence and Satan you understand)but want to know if it's really worth it. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 09:48:51
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My boss took us all to go see it last friday.
They beat the bejesus out of him (oh that was bad I know), but I'd bet that it could be a bit overdone as I think he would've died way before Crucifixion if that scourging was realistic.
Here's my question (sorry I'm off topic)
In at least a few books and movies I've read and seen, satan is always very androgenous if not flat out dressed in drag (Like in Not Wanted on the Voyage - read it Dean goddamnit!)
What's the deal with that? Is it meant to make people feel uncomfortable (as I can imagine many people are uncomfortable with ambiguous sexuality). Though I spose they can't have him painted red with horns and a pointy tail...
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 09:49:15
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I saw it; it's really good actually.
Don't be fooled, that is NOT Maynard playing Satan.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 09:56:25
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Well, Satan was once an angel, so I guess angels are usually considered more "feminine." Maybe that has something to do with it. I guess Satan is portrayed as angelic in a scary kind of way.
Satan does fit the stereotypical mold in South Park
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