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TarTar
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 Posted - 02/29/2004 : 15:51:48
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I like a lot of the Velvet Underground songs, but I don't listen to them too often. I've never exactly been taken with them the way many people have, though I do enjoy their music. Now Zeppelin, that's a band that I cannot understand the fascination with. And I've tried to understand, oh how I've tried. I've listened to so much Zeppelin, and it's rarely enjoyable. It's often more like suffering. The Zeppelin songs I do like are ones that don't get mentioned ever, like No Quarter, Tea for One, Achilles Last Stand. They have a few good songs. Overall, though, the songs are just crap.
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 17:16:07
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I really don't like the Beatles that much. Like Steve said, I find most of their stuff just bland and boring. I finally got Sgt. Pepper a couple of months ago after hearing all about how it was supposed to be the greatest record of all time and what-not and I was completely unimpressed. The same thing is true for all the other Beatle records I've heard. I can't deny the fact, however, that they are one of, if not the, most influential bands ever and a lot of bands wouldn't exist without them.
I DO love Paul McCartney's solo work and I haven't heard much of Lennon's but would probably like it.
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 17:54:27
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The Bible mentions projectile weapons?
Ever read Revelations?
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 22:53:12
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For as much of Beatles fan as I am, I don't think Sgt. Pepper's is anywhere close to their best work and would go as far as to say it's overrated. It was a landmark at the time, but you know how these things go, just because they were the first to chart new territory doesn't meant they were the best in that territory. I'd say the height of the Beatles strength as songwriters and performers were Rubber Soul (two years before Pepper) and Abbey Road (two years after Pepper). The White Album is great, but I think there is an obvious seperation between the songwriters going on there, no one is on the same page. There was more heart put into Abbey Road since the Beatles all knew that after they finished that they didn't have to work with each other anymore, so they were happy to be working on the last record. The White Album is just clearly too divided. I still think it's great. Rubber Soul was the first time that the Beatles really took a step out there, and I think it shows how much fun they had doing so.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 02/29/2004 : 23:16:28
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Rubber Soul has always been my favorite Beatles album. I haven't even listened to Sgt. Peppers in years. I don't own it. Guess I should pick that up (once my Tom Waits collection is complete and I finally buy Show Me Your Tears)
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 03/01/2004 : 08:57:00
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I'll have to check out rubber soul and abbey road then.
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/01/2004 : 12:55:35
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There's two types of Beatles fans...one's who love all the music before Revolver (roughly), and those who love all the music after/including Revolver (roughly). Frankly, the nostalgic uncredible people who love the Beatles usually fall into the first category, whereas the people more in tune to the history and evolution of rock fall into the second. I mean I hate all of their stuff before Rubber Soul/Revolver (they're kind of the transition albums), but I love everything after them. So, I mean you can't take the whole body of The Beatles' work to judge them on...at the end, they finally started showing on the records what great musicians they were. There were other good bands going on at the time too, like Velvet Underground, but I don't necessarily think that Velvet was better, definitely not better musicians. The later Beatles definitely impacted a lot of rock bands.
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/01/2004 : 16:30:36
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ok what the hell is so great about velvet underground, ive heard a fair amount of songs and they arent THAT amazing. but no matter how many cool songs by them you guys could point me towards, i dont see how it could be remotely possible that they are better than the beatles. the beatles are great
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interloper
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Posted - 03/01/2004 : 17:03:56
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I think there are plenty of songwriters as good as "the lovely lads" as I like to call em. Regardless, The Beatles will always maintian their place, and the reason is that they singlehandedly invented the format that everyone is still playing by. Sure, they had their precedents as well, but rock and roll very well may have stalled out if it hadn't been expanded on so quickly and more importantly, so vastly. Like the early stuff or not, no one before them even came close to expanding the songform within rock like they did. She loves You, as dorky as it may be, cycles through chord changes that no one at that time had even begun to explore. Hendrix is the same way. Do a little thinking on how guitar players played right up to the point when Hendrix broke wide open. It's nowhere different. Today it's no big deal, cause we've heard everything that came after him, but back then, he was so different, and so perfectly timed, that he accidentally invented so much of what is so commonplace now.
Blah blah blah, like em or not, The Beatles invented pop music as we know it.
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 06:04:18
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Put rubber soul and revolver on a single CD-R, it's perfection!
Abbey Road is excellent too.
I have a big respect for the Beatles, I agree that they invented pop music and all.
What people not so familiar with them should do is buy the Red&Blue Best of.
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 11:01:59
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Abbey Road is my favourite Beatles album. Know what my second favourite is?....................Help!!! Weird huh? Nobody ever seems to like Help but I just think it was some amazing pop songs on it!!!
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 11:25:55
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Help! was the first one I bought...I thought there were some pretty good songs on their too, especially "You're Gonna Lose That Girl". What a great song! Funny how that never even got released as a single.
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mdisanto
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 11:40:35
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ive just seen a face, now that is a great song
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 11:45:56
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Yeah mdisanto, it's one of my favourite Beatles songs!!!
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 11:46:36
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Originally posted by The Calistanian
There's two types of Beatles fans...one's who love all the music before Revolver (roughly), and those who love all the music after/including Revolver (roughly).
I guess I would be one of the third type- I like it all....
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 12:01:32
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Yeah me too in terms of eras.
I love stuff from both eras.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 12:47:56
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There are definitely more than 2 (or 3 for that matter) types of Beatles fans.
Of course, you could say:
There are 2 types of Beatles fans - those who like the song "Yellow Submarine," and those who don't. Actually, you probably aren't really a Beatles fan if you like it.
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Marcel
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 13:41:36
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I too am a huge fan of The Beatles. I like all albums (and yes, I dislike Yellow Submarine as well ;)
I think it's obvious that The Beatles have had a great influence on present day's music (if not all music since, let's say, 1961).
Most Beatles albums are full with very good songs (nearly perfect) and some songs are not that good. I think this is a common thing with musicians: it has happened to Pixies/Frank Black as well...
Regarding their influence:
Ask one person on the street whether he/she knows the Beatles and the answer must be positive (unless you're on Mars :) Ask the same eprson whether he/she knows FB/Pixies and the answer will probably be negative. There's the influence the Beatles have had!
I disagree about the Beatles being overrated: there are so many Beatles songs which are just pure genius! To name but a few: I Am The Walrus, Taxman, Helter Skelter, Happiness Is A Warm Gun, Day In The Life, Get Back, and so on and so on... It's like what have been said before on this board you'll have to see their music in the right perspective. The sixties was a period with a huge music revolution (no need to explain that here, do I?). The Beatles were experimenting with different styles of music. The best example being the White Album. Every Beatle has written songs for that album (finally giving credit to Harrison's writing abilities!). Paul, as usual, wrote many songs, BUT if you look at the different styles on that album it's got many! There's punk-ish (Helter Skelter), experimental (Happiness Is A Warm Gun), twenties period (Honey Pie), melancholic (Dear Prudence), rock-ish (Glass Onion): you see there are loads of styles here! And what's probably the best thing about this: they are nearly all perfect songs! Try to beat that (there are about thirty songs on this double LP!)!
Anyway I just wanted to add something to this discussion by saying that The Beatles DO have a great influence on music.
Enough lectured today...
Marcel (who's listening to the White Album at the moment :))
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GoddessTheory
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 13:50:30
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Originally posted by ProverbialCereal
There are definitely more than 2 (or 3 for that matter) types of Beatles fans.
Of course, you could say:
There are 2 types of Beatles fans - those who like the song "Yellow Submarine," and those who don't. Actually, you probably aren't really a Beatles fan if you like it.
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Well, I love The Beatles and I don;t hate Yellow Submarine because I like the idea better than OCTOFUCKINGPUSSES GARDEN.
Now that song is horrid.
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 14:35:29
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Still waiting for The Beatles to be just a distant memory... like Beethoven, or whatever. No ones talking about him much here, even though he was very influential and revolutionised music at the time. They may have been good in their time (The Beatles), and created a lot of new styles etc. but the fact remains that since then people have got a lot better at doing what they did and have taken music even further. Yes, they're important, influential, blah blah, but music has improved *IMO* and listening to The Beatles soley because they were influential seems pointless to me.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 15:19:23
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I actually like the guitar intro to Octopusses Garden, but it all goes downhill from there.
I don't hate "Yellow Submarine," I just can't stand hearing people sing that song like it's the only Beatles song they know. Couldn't they sing Eleanor Rigby or something?
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WolfManMikeLonely
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 19:53:43
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I personally think that all these bands that have been mentioned our overrated at least a little and in different areas. The guy that said Lou Reed can't carry a tune is a moron if he truly believes that though, Lou Reed may have a delivery that isn't all that normal(very monotone, Malkmus and Reed seem to be two of the most monotone singers ever) but he hits the notes. Also to say the Velvets aren't talented musically would be insane, if you consider all the musical chops that just John Cale has by himself. I'm not big Beatles fan, and I doubt I ever will be but I appreciate their place in music history, just not really my thing, but I don't bar them because I know I've said how much I've hated so many bands before in my life only to realize their greatness later and have to eat my words. Led Zeppelin though is one band that was brought up that I will always stand by hating in fact I'd have to say I agree with "I Hate Led Zeppelin" by Screeching Weasel completely. I think I had some more points to make but they escape me now so I'll end it here.
"Hey fuck you if you don't like it."
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El Barto
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USA
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 20:17:07
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Fucking Ringo. Bill Hicks said it best (I downloaded a bootleg of his). Something like "The Beatles were so fucking high, they even let Ringo sing a few songs."
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 20:25:30
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Ringo is in no way the Renaissance man that Dave Grohl is.
Ringo should have stayed behind his trapset. I can just imagine when Ringo was laying down a vocal track:
John: C'mon Ringo, you can do it. Just one more chorus and all our agony will be gone.
Paul: Yeah, we're here for you even if you suck
George: Way to go, buddy. Maybe if this submarine song does well, we'll let you do an Octopuss song
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Chris Knight
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 21:16:47
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I like Ringo. He's obviously not a perfect singer, but he has a nice, "chummy" sort of voice.
One thing that can be said about the Beatles that can't be said about very many rock bands is that every single member had a musical ear and could write/sing. I think that was probably a major factor in ensuring their popularity. |
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 03/02/2004 : 21:42:57
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I agree. Harrison, Lennon, and McCartney could all write a great song. Ringo... well, yeah he played drums in a way that suited the Beatles. At least he can somewhat carry a tune..
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Steak n Sabre
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 07:34:25
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Ringo's "It Don't Come Easy" was a huge hit when it came out, I still have the single, and I think it's better than any of Pauls' solo work...
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 08:35:53
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The great thing about the Beatles is that I like all of the songwriters in their own way, especially Harrison, being very underrated.
And get this, I like Led Zeppelin. "The Lemon Song" may be the best song ever. You can't deny how good of musicians they were. Don't even try.
The top four guys in rock that can belt it out: Black Francis, Robert Plant, Chris Cornell, and Chris Robinson. I'm sure I'll be crucified because the latter three are so "mainstream", but it doesn't mean they're not good. For those who are so down on Led Zeppelin, just listen to an album like "Physical Graffiti"...great stuff. Led Zeppelin II contains the best rock bass-playing ever. You can't deny them as musicians...which is really what counts.
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cvanepps
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 08:44:47
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A few years ago the Howard Stern Show sent "ambush interviewer" Suttering John to interview Ringo Starr. One of John's funnier questions to Ringo was...
"What did you do with all the money your mother gave you for singing lessons?"
Ringo quickly replied...
"Bought fish & chips."
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El Barto
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USA
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 19:20:40
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Wasn't Ringo the first most successful solo Beatle after the split? Fucking depressing. I had no idea "It Don't Come Easy" was Ringo...that's actually a decent song.
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GoddessTheory
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 20:26:37
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 00:18:14
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Um, yes, I guess I can't deny Zeppelin as musician, but I don't think that's really what counts. It can play a role, but it's not the only thing factoring in. People who aren't so talented at playing their instruments can write amazing songs. And just because someone can wail on their instrument of choice doesn't mean they can write a song. I'm not saying Zeppelin couldn't write songs, I'm just saying that the technical skill level of playing is not the only thing that counts, it's not the only part of talent when it comes to music. And perhaps by saying as musicians, you didn't mean playing chops exclusively, but that's how I took it.
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 08:33:06
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Well, my favorite band is the Pixies/FB, and none of them are at the technical level of Led Zeppelin, yet they do write great songs, so yes TarTar, you're right that the technical aspect is not the only thing that matters. Good point...once again I post something before it's thought out. I think I was mainly trying to compare them to the Beatles in that they are not so different from them...I don't see how you can love the Beatles and absolutely hate Led Zeppelin...it doesn't make any sense. They are similar on so many levels...Led Zeppelin being a pop band basically. As with the Pixies...I don't understand how people can love them, but absolutely hate the Beatles and Led Zeppelin...they have so many similar entities it's not even funny.
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BLT
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 09:04:51
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That's cause George Harrison wrote it!
I don't think so. It's credited to Starkey. Poor Ringo can't even get credit where it's due! |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 12:31:07
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I used to hang out with this guy named Kil who thought he was an intellectual champion, and couldn't stop boasting about the fact that he had a girlfriend who had sex with him. He'd say, "I used to be such a nerd." And we would say, "Dude, you're still a nerd." He would say, "Really? Well, I guess now I'm a nerd that gets laid." Besides for that, all he ever talked about was Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin. It was just Jimmy Page this and Robert Plant that. Actually, it was funny, cuz when I met him, the only name in the band he knew was Jimmy Page, I believe he even thought Jimmy Page sang. I had correct him on so many things. I think he used to call Roger Waters "Roger Walters," and he pronounced the word medley "melody". He also was a complete jackass. One time, a bunch of us were hanging out at his place, getting stoned. We had just been recounting an incident from a few days ago where Kil had been throwing chicken off the balcony of his apartment. A few minutes later, there was a discussion about pussy eating, I believe, and Kil said, "Hey, you are what you eat." And I decided this would be a good time to tell this group about a friend of mines aesthetic as an artist, "You are what you throw away," because he collects trash and discarded objects and incorporates them into his work. He feels that peoples trash really show who they are. So I said, "I thought it was, you are what you throw away." And Kil said, "I don't get it." Someone else said, "Chicken." Now I didn't intend for that to be what it was, but I didn't get a chance to say that. Kil immediately says, "Oh, I'll put that on my list of things to do. Laugh at Pete's jokes." Then everyone laughed. Here I am, stoned at the age of 18 so I'm so much more affected by this bashing of me, it PISSED ME OFF cuz he had totally misunderstood me and tried to mock me. I never did explain it, but man it made me want to sock the bastard. I eventually stopped hanging out with him. About 8 months later, I ran into him and we tried to become friends again. At this point, he was so greatly obsessed with Led Zeppelin that it was all he could talk about. There was nothing else but Zep. Well, he also made it a point to talk about how worthless Jewish people and blacks were, since, according to him, no Jewish or black people had ever contributed to the advancement of society in any way. I couldn't fucking believe this blind racist propaganda he was tossing at me, and I let him know he was wrong. I stopped hanging out with him pretty quickly. But yeah, I think a big part of my dislike for Zeppelin is rooted in the whole experience of knowing that douchebag.
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