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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
USA
635 Posts |
 Posted - 02/20/2004 : 11:55:17
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Yesterday while driving six hours to buy Boise tickets, I listened to all the Pixies cds.(and very loudly, mind you) Once again, I realized how great Trompe le Monde is. It seems that Trompe gets less credit than it deserves a lot of the time, so I wanna ask you all...
WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT ??? |
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 12:03:22
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Nothing. It is great.
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flim flam
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 12:28:55
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I know plenty of people will disagree, but for me it just doesn't have as many strong tracks as the others. The only ones that really get me are the title track, Alec Eiffel, Planet of Sound & U-Mass.
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guy_nolan
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
417 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 12:31:13
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A few of the tracks on there are belters but most of them just can't hold my attention as long as the other albums.
For ten thousand years he slept, his mind feeding on the nightmares of the weak. Now he has awakened. As the night turned crimson, the fire-blade shattered and his power died. Then, the slaughter began... |
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
USA
635 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 12:53:45
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| For me, it's really great just because of how LOUD and intense those songs are. I really hope the Pixies capture this loud, in your face sound when I see them in a couple of months. Besides the great classics mentioned by flim flam, it's got some other really great moments. "Lovely day" really is one of my favorite Pixies tunes, and you can't forget other gems like "Motorway to Roswell", "Letter to Memphis", and "the Navajo Know". the only thing I think that is lacking is the amount of singing Kim sings on the record. |
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1058 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 13:33:47
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I think its generally the non fb fans who don't see trompe as one of the best pixies albums,cos really it's a build up to his solo stuff
"I joined the Cult of Frank / 28:06:42:12" |
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MrSelfDestruct
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USA
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 13:34:57
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Originally posted by yarbles
Yesterday while driving six hours to buy Boise tickets, I listened to all the Pixies cds.(and very loudly, mind you) Once again, I realized how great Trompe le Monde is. It seems that Trompe gets less credit than it deserves a lot of the time, so I wanna ask you all...
WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT ???
every pixies album is unique and i love them all. but i find both bossanova and trompe le monde slightly weaker than the rest, bossanova being the weaker of the 2. and i hesitate to use the word "weak" but understand that is only comparing them to the previous albums and not to any other artist. i like trompe le monde better than bossanova. i like the heavier sound that we only really get a taste of on bossanova with Rock Music. |
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1058 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 13:37:34
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I think rock music went on the wrong album,it really doesnt go with most of the other songs on bossanova
"I joined the Cult of Frank / 28:06:42:12" |
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1342 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 13:44:06
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Trompe le Monde has such a raw feel to it.
It was like they felt they overproduced Bossanova, and got as stripped down as you could get for Trompe le Monde.
Come on Pilgrim, Surfer Rosa, and Doolittle have a similar feel.
Bossanova is similar to Trompe le Monde in the sense of subject matter, but completely different in execution.
Basically what I'm saying is Trompe le Monde is good.
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TameReg
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USA
110 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 14:26:13
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| I agree that Trompe Le Monde is a good album. I'm surprised some people think it's not that strong of an effort. If I had to pick a weakest album, I'd go with Bossanova. (I'm not saying it sucks, just that it's not as good as the others.) |
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
USA
635 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 15:40:16
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| I have a feeling that I might get torn apart for this next part, But I feel that both Trompe le Monde and Bossanova are better than Surfer Rosa. Surfer Rosa is very good, spawned a handful of classics, and it was the first full-length album, which introduced a lot more people to the Pixies, but I think both Bossanova and Trompe le Monde have better songs and better production. And it's probably because they were further along in their career, meaning more experience. and yes, I do think Bossanova was produced well... what do those people here mean when they say it wasn't produced or executed that well? |
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MrSelfDestruct
- FB Fan -
USA
17 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 15:46:57
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Originally posted by yarbles
I have a feeling that I might get torn apart for this next part, But I feel that both Trompe le Monde and Bossanova are better than Surfer Rosa. Surfer Rosa is very good, spawned a handful of classics, and it was the first full-length album, which introduced a lot more people to the Pixies, but I think both Bossanova and Trompe le Monde have better songs and better production. And it's probably because they were further along in their career, meaning more experience. and yes, I do think Bossanova was produced well... what do those people here mean when they say it wasn't produced or executed that well?
everyone has thier own opinion. surfer rosa is my favorite pixies album and probably my all time favorite. i love the raw production sound steve albini brings to it. and i think the thing that sets it apart from the rest for me is the fact that kim sings back up on this album more than any other. that and charles singing is so louud and aggressive. its just all around great album. |
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
USA
635 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:23:03
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| Albini is a great producer, but I personally think Gil Norton rocks. Everything I'ved heard him do is great, i.e. Doolittle - Trompe, Foo Fighters' "The Coulour and the Shape", Counting Crows second CD (I am not a Counting Crows fan, but I really liked the feel of their second CD). But I guess that's if you're going for a more-produced sound. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 18:13:04
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Nothing is wrong with Trompe Le Monde, but it probably was the Pixies album that took the longest to grow on me. Then again, it was only my second Pixies album (albeit my fourth album that involved Frank in some way). It's considerably louder and noisier than Doolittle (my first Pixies album), so that could have something to do with it. It also probably has a less unified sound than most of the others, but the songs, for the most part, are amazing. "Motorway To Roswell" is probably my second favorite Pixies song ever.
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 18:34:10
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I think one factor that should be taken into account as to why Trompe may take a little more effort to love unconditionally would be the fact that the band wasn't as playful when they got to recording it. We all know that tension was building within the band around the time of Bossanova. From there on out it kinda shows that their hearts weren't completely in it. The songs, the performances, everything was phenomenal as usual, but it didn't seem to have that comraderie (sp?) that they did before. I think I read a Kim quote somewhere where she said that she would just come into the studio, listen to the songs and lay down some bass for them. Whereas you can hear them goofing off during Surfer Rosa. Hell, there's one track of them trying to explain the fact that they were goofing around. And Doolittle (my favorite) was very relaxed and laid back. I believe they were all pretty stoned when they recorded that one. You can certainly tell they were having a good time. So I think maybe the reason some people are experiencing difficulty having a good time when listening to it comes down to the fact that the band wasn't having that great a time recording it. I think it crosses over. But this is a good thing now. They had obviously grown as musicians over the course of those albums, and have VERY obviously grown much more since then. And now that they've buried the hatchet and are able to put those bad times behind them (and from what quotes I've read, it sounds like they have) if they do record another album I think we can look forward to the fun-factor of their earlier albums combined with the talent that has collectively accrued among them since then. Plus, I think they're all a little more mature now. Except for David. He's been playing with pickles for the last few years. Doesn't sound very mature to me. (That was a joke.) DAMN I love the Pixies.
P.S. I just realized that I've reached over 100 posts! I'm a dog in the sand!!!
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Mr DNA
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 18:34:36
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Trompe Le Monde is actually the Pixies album I listen to the most. It has the best production of any of their albums, IMO. I don't really think it's "stripped down" at all...it's more space-age than anything.
I'll go ahead and agree with the previous people, I also like Trompe Le Monde better than Surfer Rosa. SR had probably the worst production, right next to Bossanova. SR tries to sound raw and dirty, but fails, and Bossanova just sounds bland. I know it's not real good to judge albums on their production, but I feel that all the albums got their equal share of good songs. So the delivery is really all that's left to judge on, and Doolittle, Trompe, and Come On Pilgrim/Purple Tapes just do a better job than the others. |
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gk128
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129 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 18:35:57
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'Trompe Le Monde' is my favorite Pixies album.
It's not their best, but it's an amazing album that does lead into Frank's solo stuff quite nicely.
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 19:05:39
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>I think its generally the non fb fans who don't see trompe as one of the best
>pixies albums,cos really it's a build up to his solo stuff
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Sort of, but what about the Catholics? That stuff sounds a lot more like _Surfer Rosa_ than _Trompe Le Monde_, wouldn't you say? _Trompe Le Monde_ is all synthetic keyboards and legendary overproduction. That clashes a hell of a lot with "live-to-2-track" and "vaguely tex-mex". _Trompe Le Monde_ sounds like the album on either side of it (chronologically), and that's about it. You can throw _Teenager Of The Year_ and _Cult Of Ray_ on there, but that's pushing it and anything more is just plain irreal.
I don't mean to be ribbing you. ShakeyShake is already Tops in my book for liking _Trompe Le Monde_ and Donny Darko.
Frankly, I think _Trompe Le Monde_ is the most eclectic, offbase, unexepected thing in the whole catalog, whether or not you like it. It is "the weird one".
I think Shakey Shake was talking about a build up to his solo stuff meaning his first two albums, mainly. Those both have a lot of fun synth and whatnot on them. I don't think it was in reference to his solo work with the Catholics.
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 19:06:12
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I dunno,i've never really got into any of frank and the catholics stuff.I can still appreciate Trompe though :)
And yeah donnie darko's a brilliant film,gotta love some of the memorable quotes
"I joined the Cult of Frank / 28:06:42:12" |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 19:07:27
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P.S. I'd find it difficult not to like Trompe Le Monde and Donny Darko.
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1058 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 19:07:37
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Yeah it wasnt really a reference to fb&tc
"I joined the Cult of Frank / 28:06:42:12" |
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kottke
- FB Fan -
USA
121 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 19:53:02
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Does anyone else besides me find Pixies albums totally different sounding than FB albums? Even the vocal sound is pretty different. And even with a touch of the same guitar based sound and writing style, there is not much of a connection for me. The Pixies and Frank Black albums just sound really different to my ears. Chemistry of the band, perhaps. Like when the Beatles split and did their solo stuff. Loss of chemistry and synergy.
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
1264 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 23:36:57
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| The fact that they've made four very different albums, yet every single album stands head and shoulders above 99% of music released, is the very reason the Pixies are my favorite band. Which album is the best is a matter of personal taste. Trompe and Surfer are my favorites. I listen to Bossanova very selectively. |
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
1264 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 23:45:13
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[quote]Originally posted by yarbles
Yesterday while driving six hours to buy Boise tickets, I listened to all the Pixies cds...............
Listening to the Pixies while doing a long trip by car is one of life's great pleasures. I've VERY fond memories of driving through the Karoo (semi-desert in South Africa) and Motorway to Roswell blasting through the speakers. Hmmm, gives me an idea, lets start a new thread...... |
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boner machine
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/21/2004 : 02:16:22
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this may sound weird how i describe this but... remember in the film independance day when the little space ship at roswell just gained power because the mother ship was closer?!!... well thats how trompe le monde is for me! i never thought much of that album, but now as the pixies gigs near, it's just started sounding amazing to me! i can't stop listening to it & now it's gotta be my favourite album. can't believe for all these years i've opted for surfer rosa over this.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 02/21/2004 : 09:20:02
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Call me indiscriminating but I like every single song on TLM specially Lovely Day and Sad Punk, tho the record did take a while to grow on me.
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
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Posted - 02/21/2004 : 13:39:11
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Its weird, everyone i know who likes the pixies (not many..) always dismisses TLM. I cant understand it. I think that it may have a few less strong songs, but as someone said, every song is just so LOUD and intense. I love it. hehehe
Boys go to Jupiter, Get more stupider,
Girls go to Mars, Become rock stars
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2004 : 15:29:07
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[quote]Originally posted by LoganZ
>Quoth yarbles concerning _Trompe Le Monde_
When they toured _Trompe Le Monde_, they were a 5-piece: Eric Drew Feldman hit the keyboards. And I know I haven't heard a damn thing about all FIVE Pixies reuniting.
Actually they were six, as Joey's brother filled in on rhythm guitar as well for a lot of the tour.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2004 : 15:33:33
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[quote]Originally posted by kottke
Does anyone else besides me find Pixies albums totally different sounding than FB albums? Even the vocal sound is pretty different. And even with a touch of the same guitar based sound and writing style, there is not much of a connection for me. The Pixies and Frank Black albums just sound really different to my ears.
Well duh!!! That is the basis for the Great Debate that has torn everyone asunder!!!
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2004 : 16:03:12
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Originally posted by GypsyDeath
Its weird, everyone i know who likes the pixies (not many..) always dismisses TLM. I cant understand it. I think that it may have a few less strong songs, but as someone said, every song is just so LOUD and intense. I love it. hehehe
Yeah, I can't relate to it either. I can't even say that I can relate (though I totally respect) to you saying there are a few less strong songs.
Trompe is my favorite album ever. Every single song is AMAZING. There is not a single song I don't like. There is not a single song that I don't absolutely LOVE. Those 15 songs are 15 of the greatest songs ever written.
And I love EVERYTHING about the album - the production, the track sequence, the diversity, et cetera.
The Loud/Intense feeling (particularly on "d = r x t"...so full and encompassing) is something I felt FB was never able to recreate on any of his solo albums, which is a shame, becuase it could really enhance a lot of his songs, imo.
Mark Prindle did an excellent review of it.
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IceCream
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USA
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Posted - 02/21/2004 : 16:09:28
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So, in answer to your question, Yarbles, the only thing wrong with "Tromp le Monde" is that it's spelled wrong. Spelling errors I don't normally mind, but this one I found funny.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/21/2004 : 17:58:26
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Maybe they added an E to "Tromp" so it wouldn't be the only word in the title not ending with one.
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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2004 : 07:47:52
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I think Trompe Le Monde is incredible. Great songwriting and production.
For me the best part of Frank's career starts with Bossanova and ends with Teenager Of The Year. I feel those are the years that Frank was at his best from a songwriting stand point. For me you can't beat Bossanova, TLM, Self Titled & TOTY. Best four albums put out in a row by anyone, ever.
I love all of his stuff but for me that has been the high point so far.
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gavredmaxx
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Posted - 02/22/2004 : 10:08:12
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I really like it. It's the album that first totally converted me to being a Pixies fan (and reminds me of a weird time of my life when school finished and real life began), so I'll always have a special place for it.
I think because TLM was the only 'new' album I got when the Pixies were still around the first time, and because they split up pretty soon after, I've always tended to see 'Frank Black' and 'Teenager of the Year' as a continuation of the same idea, rather than the start of a completely seperate solo catalogue. I must admit that this changed with 'Cult of Ray' which I still kind of have problems with today, despite loving the rest of the solo stuff.
The section of TLM that has 'Space (I believe in)', 'Subbacultcha' and 'Distance equals rate times time' is, in my opinion, one of the best sections of any record EVER. The three work brilliantly together in the same way that the stuff on side two of 'Abbey Road' does - you're not sure how strong the tracks would be on their own (and I find them really hard to seperate in my mind), but they make one hell of a whole.
Gav
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
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Posted - 02/23/2004 : 01:52:59
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| Personally, TLM is my least favourite Pixies album. I love Kim's voice and Francis psychotic screams and there are few of them in these. But wait!!!, I've listened to it twice in last days and I probably will change my mind soon. Seems it's a difficult record. It needs a pacient listener. |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
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Posted - 02/23/2004 : 03:05:49
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i think TLM is my least favousite pixies release.
but i also think i have under appreciated it through it receiving less listens than the others.
I did not bring it with me to the UK, so i won't be able to refamiliarise myself with it unless i buy a copy off ebay, which i might just have to do before the Brixton shows.
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Tromp Le Monde : What's wrong with it?
