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lindsayno
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 Posted - 02/20/2004 : 14:12:24
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
I find it very sad and sick that many women have rape fantasies. I don't know if they can help it or not...but I mean...I'm sure that subconciously it helps them get into situations where they are more likely to get raped. I don't know...it's just horrible. My opinion, though, heh. Again..sorry about before GypsyDeath. I don't like hard feelings. Stop snickering you pervs. Yes, that's right, I hear you.
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having a rape fantasy isn't what it sounds like; the average woman who has such fantasies isn't necessarily craving to have a strange man drag them into an alley and have his way with her. she simply enjoys the thought/act of having her partner 'take her' and dominate her while she fakes a slight struggle. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 14:36:50
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Yeah that's why a man's rape fantasy is so much worse. I meant to add that before. A woman can't fantasise about rape surely, 'cos if she fantasises about rape then it's not really rape is it? The sex has to be completely one-way and forceful doesn't it? I mean you could say that a woman could fantasise about rape but then if she is raped, say that she didn't want sex with that particular man (the offender) but then surely if you choose the man who rapes you in your fantasy then it's not rape. Oh this is confusing. Basically, in my opinion, men who fantasise about rape are sick and women don't actually fantasise about rape at all, just like Lindsayno said.
It's wierd 'cos the definition in the dictionary just says 'take by force, fraudulent or forcible sexual intercourse esp. imposed on a woman'. Not a man interestingly, they must surely change that.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 15:40:04
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But Its difficult to rape a man. well, actually, I guess its not...you just got a get em hard, which is never exactly difficult. you are all too easy..women wanna challenge!
But yeah, I agree about the rape thing. I mean, I might fantasise over it, but I would never actually want it to happen. Its just a fantasy...which most of mine I would never actually want to do...To enjoy being dominated by your partner, or liking it rough..doesnt mean youre gonna go round hoping some guy will grab you and rape you. thats just weird. lol.
But yeah, I think for a guy to fantasise about it would be percieved as a little weirder, but really, why should it be any different? Unless they *would* actually do it...then they should be shot. in the stomach, so they die slowly.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 15:48:48
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 15:57:35
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That's why I made a point to say that subconciously it probably gets the woman in situations where she's more likely to really be raped. Rape fantasies are more horrible when guys have the, yes, but they are not healthy for either sex. I don't think it's a good thing to have...mainly because the subconcious mind effects you so much more than you even know...
And snapping? What the fuck? Why would anyone want to have sex so violently that they actually INJURE themselves? Fucked up.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:13:15
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You sound as if you are saying that girls that fantasise about such things, and then get raped are asking for it? NOW whos the sick one?
I can see where youre coming from, but your view point seems a little...i dont know. Ive known people who have been attacked in such a manor. I know the subconcious effects your everyday lie, but really, its fantasy.
I dont think you really understand that...your view point o such sexual matters as porn/masternbation/fantasy seems skewered.
Just because some one fantasises about something/someone/some situation oes *not* actually mean, in 99% of the cases that a lot of these they *would* actually want to do.
Fantasy is healthy.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:14:36
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And the snappign thing - we werent actually having sex at the time - I think it was due to the..erm quantity, and his..extreme hardness that contributed to it. hahah
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:19:26
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That's not what I said. I said that the person is more likey to end up being in a situation where she would get raped. She obviously wouldn't want to. (I'd hope!) I don't think it's deniable that this isn't true in a lot of cases. I'm not saying they're asking for it, I would never say such a thing. I'm just saying that it's not that healthy since the subconcious drive will make them more prone to SITUATIONS. (ie: Being along somewhere with a guy who she doesn't know at all and is acting strange. Her subconcious isn't going to think about the dangers of it. It's just the SITUATION. Men like to take advantage of those situations for some sick reason...I don't understand it personally but then again I don't agree the everyone has fantasies about people other than their significant other. I can tell you that I've never fantasized or lusted over another woman other than my girlfriend since I've fallen in love with her. You can say I'm lying but I know that I'm not and I'm proud of that.) So don't go warping perfectly rational ideas to make it seem like I want them to get raped. Rape is horrible.
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:23:29
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And no...fantasy and lust whilst in a relationship is not healthy. It's far from it. Why do you think people cheat on eachother? I'm sorry but it's not "healthy". It's a choice that's totally up to you. You can either discipline yourself and not think about fucking other guys or you can make the choice to do that. It's 100% up to you, unless of course you're a poor soul who has the XYY chromosome. If I had that I'd kill myself. I really would. People who have it are extremely dangerous to other people and they can't even help it. I pity them...I wish they could live a life not drawn purely by their extremely-overactive sex drive. Very sad, don't you think?
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Carolynanna
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:26:48
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Carolynanna
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:30:22
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
And no...fantasy and lust whilst in a relationship is not healthy. It's far from it. Why do you think people cheat on eachother? I'm sorry but it's not "healthy". It's a choice that's totally up to you. You can either discipline yourself and not think about fucking other guys or you can make the choice to do that. It's 100% up to you, unless of course you're a poor soul who has the XYY chromosome. If I had that I'd kill myself. I really would. People who have it are extremely dangerous to other people and they can't even help it. I pity them...I wish they could live a life not drawn purely by their extremely-overactive sex drive. Very sad, don't you think?
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Crouton wth?
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:30:58
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You don't agree that their subconcious wouldn't keep them away from potentially dangerous situations? I know "it is usually not with some stranger"...but I'm just saying. The subconcious isn't going to put off as loud a warning when they're in a situation like that than a person who doesn't have those "fantasies". I'm sorry...but it seems obvious to me. I have low self-esteem and although I miss my friends tremendously my subconcious love to put me in situations where I can't even talk with them. It's not a concious decision for me to do that. Although sometimes when I have the energy to truly think about something I make the right choice for being able to see my friends.
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:34:16
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XYY syndrome...where a male is born with an extra Y chromosome...they're usually very tall, very thin, not too smart, have learning problems, have an extremely active sex drive that controls them, and tons of other stuff. Or even heard of Klinefelter syndrome? Very sad stuff :(
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Carolynanna
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:36:39
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The real question is;
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Carolynanna
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:37:43
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yes I have
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:43:51
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hahaha, I agree they don't go looking for it. I'm sure conciously they avoid it. But subconciously there's always going to be that flare...scary stuff. Damn subconcious mind! *hides from it*
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:50:24
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No..but I would have gotten my penguin mob to snuggle it to death. Penguins rocks.
I just got that poster in the mail last week! SO CUTE! SO SO SO SO SO CUTE! *hugs poster on wall*
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Carolynanna
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:53:07
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ShakeyShake
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:59:32
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
XYY syndrome...
....have an extremely active sex drive that controls them...
Very sad stuff :(
........very sad stuff..?
I fail to see your reasoning
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:03:09
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??!!!
Because they can't think normally! They can't talk with a woman without thinking about sex. Many serial rapists have XYY...If you're trying to be funny...well it's not funny at all. Hopefully you just truly don't understand the syndrome..
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El Barto
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:03:19
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Crouton, you have a very skewed perspective on the world, as far as sexuality goes. I'm not going to deeply into it, but that's what I think. People don't cheat because they fantasize. People generally cheat because they're not being satisfied in their relationship...they're looking for something else that they're not getting. People cheat cause they're not strong enough to resist temptation, or because their sex drive is stronger than anything else. I don't know man, I think you have either a very low sex drive or malfunctioning hormones...or maybe you're just asexual. I don't know man. I know I have overactive hormones and I remember myself being 15...it only got worse since. You've got a lot of growing to do. Take it from someone who was somewhat in your place. 15 to 18 is a huge leap in maturity and sexuality and everything else.
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:06:22
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No..I see the world "unskewed" and it scares me. I just believe what I feel is right. Maybe I'm lucky in the fact that I have Lyme Disease...maybe that's why my hormones aren't chart-topping. Who knows. But fantasizing is the first "step" when it comes to cheating. I think you know that's true, too. You don't just start cheating out of nowhere. First you start fantasizing and lusting about other people and then you actually decide to take the action.
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ShakeyShake
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:15:18
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A sexual fantasy is no different to any other fantasy,its not wrong in the same way that watching porn isnt wrong,cos all it is is fantasizing.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:19:19
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
That's not what I said. I said that the person is more likey to end up being in a situation where she would get raped. She obviously wouldn't want to. (I'd hope!) I don't think it's deniable that this isn't true in a lot of cases. I'm not saying they're asking for it, I would never say such a thing. I'm just saying that it's not that healthy since the subconcious drive will make them more prone to SITUATIONS. (ie: Being along somewhere with a guy who she doesn't know at all and is acting strange. Her subconcious isn't going to think about the dangers of it. It's just the SITUATION. Men like to take advantage of those situations for some sick reason...I don't understand it personally but then again I don't agree the everyone has fantasies about people other than their significant other. I can tell you that I've never fantasized or lusted over another woman other than my girlfriend since I've fallen in love with her. You can say I'm lying but I know that I'm not and I'm proud of that.) So don't go warping perfectly rational ideas to make it seem like I want them to get raped. Rape is horrible.
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I am totally aware that what Im about to say will probably not come out how I intend, and will probably sound completely condescending and patronising...
I remember when I was 15, I also thought that I knew everything there was too know about love, sex and relationships, beig in my first real 'love' relationship.
You are saying that, lets take me for an example, because i have a fantasy about being raped or dominated, that my subconcious would end me up in a situation that would end up me being raped. im sorry but thats bullshit. I have a lot of fantasies..and i have been in situations that could very easily have turned in to something as sick as rape. But NEVER when those situations arose did I think 'oh yeah, wont that be hot if that happened'. No way. And i know youre gonna say something about me getting in to those situations, but im sorry, every girl has been in a situation like that at some point.
I know that may not be what youre actually suggesting, but I needded to make this point.
because some one fantasise over other people it *does not* lead to cheating in the slightest. I have never cheated on any one I have cared about, and i fanatsise over other people all the time. It is healthy, because we as humans are not meant for monogamy. People cheat because they are not happy in the relationship, or they are general wankers. lol.
Its really sweet that you think this way, but also very naive, as, I think you will find out in the next couple of years.
I just can not get my head round the way you think. I can not imagine someone being so ... unaware?
Can i ask you a totally off topic question? are you religious in any way? or bought up religiously?
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El Barto
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:22:09
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Everybody has fantasies. If you don't, there's something wrong with your brain. But that's all they are: fantasies. It's a matter of keeping those fantasies just fantasies. You'll realize this when you get older and get in real relationships, or when you get your heart broke (heaven forbid but that's another fact of life). I had fantasies in my last relationship cause I'm human. I was still capable of finding other women attractive. I still would have had sex with them had I not been in a relationship, but I never did have sex with anyone. I'm not really capable of cheating. I have a guilty conscience and it's not worth it hurting someone so deeply by doing such a thing. But you know, this shit happens. As long as the sex is plentiful in the relationship, people have no need to cheat. It's a matter of restrain and self control. So if you wanna go ahead and say fantasizing is the first step to cheating, why not take out the middle man and say having a sexual organ is the first step to cheating...or being human.
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:22:21
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Excuse me...that's why it's called SUBCONCIOUS! YOU'RE NOT FUCKING AWARE OF IT! THINK ABOUT IT!
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:26:13
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Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton
No..I see the world "unskewed" and it scares me. I just believe what I feel is right. Maybe I'm lucky in the fact that I have Lyme Disease...maybe that's why my hormones aren't chart-topping. Who knows. But fantasizing is the first "step" when it comes to cheating. I think you know that's true, too. You don't just start cheating out of nowhere. First you start fantasizing and lusting about other people and then you actually decide to take the action.
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Have you ever cheated on someone? Have you ever been cheated on?
You mentioned this was your first love.
Opinions, yeah fine. But stating something like the shit youve said is ridiculous, especially when you have not experienced it.
Grggh.
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:26:40
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I was raised Mormon *shudders*. I'm glad because I atleast was raised to have morals. But no..I hate the idea of a set "religion"...you know what I mean? I'm not letting any Christian tell me that Ghandi is burning in hell right now because he didn't accept Jesus as his one saviour. I'm not letting them tell me that homosexuals will go to hell. I like many of the ideas of the bible...but many of them I dislike. Does it effect my morals? Yeah, I'm sure it does. I can't deny that, haha.
Jim...I guess I'm simply not human.
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:28:35
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Yes, I've been cheated on...Please don't call my a hypocrite when you have no basis for that. I was cheated on the first 4-5 months of this relationship. I found out several months ago...She just simply did not love me. That's all there is to it. I trust her now, but it took a while. Yes...it broke my heart. Fucked me over big time. Don't assume, bitch. Sorry for the harsh "b" word...I really hate it :-/ but I don't respect that.
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El Barto
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:32:09
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Please review the Forum Chat Guidelines. Direct insults (such as "bitch") are no longer tolerated. Yeah, sure it sounds biased, but rules are rules.
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5730
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ShakeyShake
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:32:37
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You're 15 right?You can't talk about being in love when your 15,there's too many hormones and shit floating about to know what you're feeling,be it love,lust or indigestion
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:34:02
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Atleast I apologized in the same paragraph, Jim.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:37:01
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Then you should know better. So much better.
So how can she not love you, and now she does? ???????
I dont know, not mu business. But id be a million miles from her if i were you.
I was not calling you a hypocrite. I was saying if you ha not experienced it, then your statements are ridiculous.
But whatever. Im sure you will realise in a few years. If not..er..good luck with that?
I cant be bothered with this conversation, because you need to experiece life more, and learn more about what youre saying.
No one has the answer to relationships, and everyone lives them out in different ways...what ever floats your boat...
Love is something that no one is an authority on.
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El Barto
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 17:37:49
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You're 15 right?You can't talk about being in love when your 15,there's too many hormones and shit floating about to know what you're feeling,be it love,lust or indigestion
Seriously. And don't bother using the line "just cause I'm 15 doesn't mean I can't love." I've used that line a million times and one...I thought it was such bullshit. You don't realize this till you get older. Live through experience. As much as you think you know, you don't. I can say this because I was the exact same way when I was 15...and I think back at how wrong I was. You are going to grow so much in the next 5 years. That's one of the biggest mental growth periods in your life...a LOT changes in those 5 years. Believe us when we say it. You may be very mature for your age, but you're still your age regardless. This isn't meant to be condescending or anything like that, but it's so true. I went through my whole "first love" shit for the past 2 1/2 years, and it's over now and I learned so much about life and myself and now I'm a better person having experienced that. You'll see.
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