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ProverbialCereal
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 Posted - 12/02/2003 : 19:01:26
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This has been mentioned a-plenty, but the b-sides will ALL be available for download. I think what you may be asking is what if there are enough top-notch b-sides to make an album out of it...
It will probably be like the last one. They'll be a b-side album cover but people can personally pick and choose which songs they'd like to put on it. If we made an an official "album" of bsides then that means there would probably end up being c-sides, and that would suck for those people.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 12/02/2003 : 19:24:28
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Yeah, I'd hate to c-side someone. :)
It's not a bad idea, I thought that I might broach the double album if we had a higher percentage of the people who claimed a track actually completing their (since 70 is a huge number), but it is right on line for what I expected so we should have enough competition to ensure a strong a-side and a lot of really good b-sides as well as some not so good ones, but not enough to do a full album.
Ryan (AdamWest) had the fantastic idea of putting together an art package last time around for the b-sides that was completely empty on the back so people could choose their own b-sides and still have a really professional looking cover, that's what we'll be doing again. Neither Tim nor myself has the time to go through mastering all these tracks, especially with this extension.
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Lowpresser
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Posted - 12/02/2003 : 21:49:32
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gosh darn email crapola....
well look man. here's my info.
Artist: The Lit Ember
Song:"Havalina"
Credits:Brett Mehiel engineer, all instruments, mixing and procrastination.
Email:democracd@yahoo.com
Now it doesn't matter if you got my email or not.
Just got finished practicing with my new band, Ultrablue. such fun.
Visit the website of mine and Jim's former band. http://www.thebennies.com
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parker_airspace
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Posted - 12/03/2003 : 11:06:15
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not meaning to be funny dean, but as far as the extended deadline goes, i'm pretty disgruntled by it. i'll explain...
we were due to record with at a studio in the last week of the deadline, but the drummer (who's studio it was) had to pull out at the last minute due to work commitments.......
so we sat and thought "shall we just tell Dean that we cant make a submission this time" NO, we thought we'd honour what we said and record a quick real time recording acoustically to make sure we submitted.
Hearing that the deadline has been extended (especially for Dave Noisy et al, no offence Dave) is a bit of a kick in the teeth as we could have re arranged a session to record in this extra week. but not now, its too late.
Why make a point of a deadline if you're not going to stick to it?
I am sure we are not the only people who have or will "come up short" because of this extension. Not that we're expecting to be included, more that we could have been able to fully do what we had arranged to do with this project. It just means the submission is now needlessly "half-assed".
Sorry to rant, and by the way, i really do appreciate what you do for frankblack.net and these projects, and in no way mean any offence at these comments, its just it seems a little unfair.
Chris & Nick
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 12/03/2003 : 11:50:46
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Of course this was a serious concern of mine and I did put out a request for people to let me know either here or by email though I heard nothing in the negative. Still, I obviously need to stick to my deadlines as best as I can, and you know in the past I've tried to, but I also have to do what's best for this album. It's a trade off. Do I allow these people who've had everything from personal situations to deaths in the family to no real excuse at all a little extra time and potentially get several more tracks that might be highlights vs do I stick to my deadline, which as you said, is there for a reason, for the purposes of being completely fair to everyone since on time or late, everyone knew about the deadline well in advance.
The reasons I chose to extend it 'till Friday are many and not all of them I can say at the moment, but a few include the fact that I myself am too busy to come to any sort of consensus on all these until next week on the tracks, that the demand seemed to be fairly high for extension (there are a few people revising their submitted tracks as well) and non-existent for maintaining the current deadline, and so forth.
Anyway, I don't take offense because I understand you're upset with this, I just wish that you'd emailed me with your situation so we could've worked something out around this deadline. It typically takes me at least a week to fully decide on the final tracks anyway, so I would've been more than willing to help you out in that regard. I honestly appreciate you and all the others who worked hard or sacrificed their time to get it in promptly, and I can also tell you that I take that into consideration when weighing the end results.
Finally, I assure you this extension has nothing to do with Dave Noisy or any webstaff other than myself. Yes, I do need the extension for our track. It's a busy scenario for me to be doing all this plus my own track. But rather than sneak it in late (and none of you would ever know), I thought I should dole out an extension so the rest are held to the same standard as I hold myself. Roughly. :)
Anyway, long story short, I hope that gruntles you (if there's a disgruntle, what's a gruntle?) a little bit and in either case, I apologize and assure you I had the best for the album in my mind. Blame me if you are upset, the late tracks are simply taking advantage of a situation I offered them.
Thanks for understanding.
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surferben
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Posted - 12/03/2003 : 12:15:18
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hey, i just wanted to make sure that in fact you did get my submission. i think that actually you did email the wrong IP address, but once we got that corrected i beleive i got the song uploaded. this was a bit of a confusing exchange for me, so i just wanted to make sure it is taken care of. thanks
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2003 : 12:30:58
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Yeah, I have it.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 12/03/2003 : 12:48:28
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IceCream
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Posted - 12/03/2003 : 14:25:10
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I had the best for the album in my mind. The late tracks are simply taking advantage of a situation I offered them.
What exactly do you mean by these statements? Specifically, how are the tracks taking advantage of a situation? Do you mean that the people who submitted their tracks late are the ones taking advantage of your situation? Aren't they supposed to take advantage of the extension?? Is taking advantage a bad thing in this case? If so, "taking avantage" as opposed to what? Furthermore, when you say that you had the best for the album, what are you talking about? Did you have the best plan, the best track, or something else? What exactly of the album did you have the best for? I am so confused.
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 12/03/2003 : 14:36:29
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Wow, I thought I was analytical.
I mean, simply, that I need more tracks and I need to bring up the quality on some of the existing ones. I just hesitate to say it this way for fear that people will think this means they're not good enough right now. Plus, there are some things going on behind the scenes which need time to develop (hopefully) into some very good news, though if they don't then I don't want to disappoint anyone.
As for taking advantage, that's exactly what they were supposed to do. I offered an opportunity for all the artists able to do so to touch up their tracks, which would be pointless if people don't actually take advantage of this extra time. It's a good thing.
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Wowee_Zowee
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Posted - 12/03/2003 : 14:58:02
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"Plus, there are some things going on behind the scenes which need time to develop (hopefully) into some very good news, though if they don't then I don't want to disappoint anyone."
Ooh! Very mysterious indeed.
I don't care about all this deadline stuff, I'm pretty proud that I finished off my track in a record time and I'm still happy about the song in itself. If it doesn't make the actual album it will still make mine, so it wouldn't be a waste of effort or anything. I really hope it DOES make the album though.
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2003 : 20:29:07
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When I was working on my song last night, I did not want there to be drums, but since effort is a factor, I thought I would put drums on there. I came up with this idea that to have the drum track be nothing more than a snare hit at random beats would be original. However, I have come not to like what I did at all. The drums add nothing to the song; they just get in the way of its significance and meaning, and I'm convinced that I've ruined the song. It really gets me down because all the other instruments came out so nicely. The drums are okay for some parts, but there are other parts in the song where the drums make me cringe like I've never cringed before. So Tim, if it's not too much to ask, could you please help and perform the following functions when mastering:
Select the song from 1:15.000 to 1:15.334 and completely delete the selection?
Select from 1:36.000 to 1:36.129 and perform a filter out all frequencies other than those between 500 and 1500 hz? This will make it sound really weird, but more importantly, the horrible off-beat drums won't be noticable.
A little reverb, when appropriate?
If this is too much to ask, I am very very sorry for wasting your valuable time. I asked becuase I feel that I must try to save my song.
Sure, no problem. It'd take me 2 minutes. If you're selected for A-side, you may get the option to remix it.
By the way, which song is yours?
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/03/2003 : 20:39:30
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By the way, mastering time is not a factor for me. I can sling this shit out in a day if I have to. It'll still sound better than if not mastered, but extra time gives me the chance to listen to the tribute on other stereos and to tweak things.
The extra week is a sticky thing and I can certainly appreciate Mr. Airspace's complaint. I too was up late rushing to get things done. I think Mr. Airspace's track is really good though. It's more a matter of Pixies songs being under 2 minutes that forces us to except late submissions in order to have enough great ones to fill a meal sized CD. I hope I'm not stepping on Dean's toes. I'd hate to lose another finger...
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 00:12:07
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| Well, i've sure taken advantage of the extra time...got the perks, bass, elec. guitar and some other tracks finished for Broken Face, tomorrow i'll do the vox and another guitar...then tweek the knobs for a few hours, and i should have a finished track. =) |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 06:19:36
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By the way, mastering time is not a factor for me. I can sling this shit out in a day if I have to. It'll still sound better than if not mastered, but extra time gives me the chance to listen to the tribute on other stereos and to tweak things.
The extra week is a sticky thing and I can certainly appreciate Mr. Airspace's complaint. I too was up late rushing to get things done. I think Mr. Airspace's track is really good though. It's more a matter of Pixies songs being under 2 minutes that forces us to except late submissions in order to have enough great ones to fill a meal sized CD. I hope I'm not stepping on Dean's toes. I'd hate to lose another finger...
"Join the Cult of Clootie / and you'll get more booty!" www.mp3.com/clootie
Nah, I need to leave you with at least ONE clicking finger so you can finish your mastering.
Yeah, the truth is that while we have a healthy number of submissions, the tracks are invariably shorter. Of course I didn't want to scare you all and say "We need more tracks!" or imply that the ones we haven't aren't good enough or something, but it's just that they're so blasted short.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 07:40:41
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if you'd just said, in true cover version style, we could have all done 4 minute (so how does this song end again? i don't know, just keep on playing) rock-outs! 
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 07:44:55
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Heh, it's funny, 'cause most of the songs on the last one came in a little on the long side. Maybe people overcorrected. :)
Then again, these Pixies songs are short and sweet.
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bumblebeeboy2
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 12:17:04
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Heh, it's funny, 'cause most of the songs on the last one came in a little on the long side. Maybe people overcorrected. :)
Then again, these Pixies songs are short and sweet.
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indeed, i was thinking of a few of them when i wrote that reply, mentioning no names... although i did like the end of 1826, that was a cool 'rock-out' and i'm not massively keen on the original, so it was a pleasant surprise to hear that version.
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mdisanto
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 12:22:02
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Originally posted by bumblebeeboy2
if you'd just said, in true cover version style, we could have all done 4 minute (so how does this song end again? i don't know, just keep on playing) rock-outs!
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The universe is shaped exactly like the earth, if you go straight along enough, you'll end up where you were.
no! the ending to the surfer rosa version of gigantic does not need to be ANY longer! its like 32 bars of just that progression (the same one that had been playing throughout the entire song)
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 12:34:02
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gigantic is actually my least favourite pixies track, never been a fan of it for some reason, maybe it's kim, i don't know... strange as a lot of people rate it so highly...
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The Holiday Son
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 15:27:36
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Ok, I really don't care if people submit tracks after the deadline but I was wondering why some rules can be broken (and I'm all for breaking rules) and some can't (tribute name competition, etc..)
Again, I know all this doesn't really matter in the end but just wondering... |
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Canada
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 15:57:01
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I'm not sure what you're referring to?
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grozio
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 16:16:32
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on the deadline: IMO 2 months is long enough to do 1 track, really
on breaking rules: that's what they're made for, as long as the one(s) that made them are not taking advantage
on "there are some things going on behind the scenes which need time to develop (hopefully) into some very good news": ??? curious what that's about.
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IceCream
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USA
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 18:47:24
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Sure, no problem. It'd take me 2 minutes. By the way, which song is yours?
First of all, my song is "Letter to Memphis".
Second of all, I asked you to do this before I was aware of the extension. Therefore, I thought that the version I gave to Dean would have to be the final version. I thought that if you performed these mastering functions, the song might sound SLIGHTLY less worse. However, once I knew that Dean was kind enough to extend the deadline, I made the song MUCH less worse (imo) by completely remixing. Then I submitted the new track to Dean; I hope that he got it. Thus, (and it kills me to say that since you apparently responded so nicely) the mastering techniques I asked you to perform won't do much good now.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 18:48:48
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Two months is alot of time, but you'd be surprised how fast it goes in relation to recording one track. People have lots of other business to attend to. I'm sure alot of people here have families, kids, other loved ones, jobs, college, etc. For me, this track definitely wasn't my first priority (though I wish recording songs was) these past months. And also this time of year is probably pretty hectic for most people.
So, I dunno where I'm going with this. heh.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 20:20:42
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Yay! My track is pretty much done. I don't think it needs any more recording..it's pretty well mixed..
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AdamWest
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 21:03:02
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Sure, no problem. It'd take me 2 minutes. By the way, which song is yours?
First of all, my song is "Letter to Mephis".
Second of all, I asked you to do this before I was aware of the extension. Therefore, I thought that the version I gave to Dean would have to be the final version. I thought that if you performed these mastering functions, the song might sound SLIGHTLY less worse. However, once I knew that Dean was kind enough to extend the deadline, I made the song MUCH less worse (imo) by completely remixing. Then I submitted the new track to Dean; I hope that he got it. Thus, (and it kills me to say that since you apparently responded so nicely) the mastering techniques I asked you to perform won't do much good now.
I am sure that if my track gets selected for the a-side, you could significantly master it, but I just no longer have those special requests. Speaking of improving the song, there are many ways I could make it better; I left out some parts and I wouldn't mind adding a guitar. However, I am busy, and it would take a long time to put on freshly new strings, obtain the desired tonality, and mix it with the other instruments so that it has the perfect amount of loudness in relation to the other instruments. Consequently, I only wanted to add the guitar if Dean was not sure whether to put enough on the A-sides because, according to me, if Dean put it in the A sides, it doesn't need my improvement, and if it's so bad that Dean didn't need to think twice about selecting it, one guitar probably won't improve the song enough. However, I recognize that Dean, quite simply, might not have the time or the desire to let me know, and he has not informed me yet. I have no idea whether or not to add a guitar.
Thank you.
If you think your song would sound better with another guitar or by your remixing it...then just do it. It shouldn't matter if it does or does not get picked for the "A-list." Have pride in your work, man. Stop being lazy and make your song the best it can be in the amount of time you have to devote to it. It's not cool to pressure the poor guy who's organizing this whole thing and has to wade through 70 of our homemade crappy songs by saying "Hey tell me now if I'm going to make the A-list...if so I'll improve it, but if not...I'm too busy."
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miguel
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Posted - 12/04/2003 : 23:57:51
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So there are a lot of really short covers? Mine is like 15 minutes long.. great.. :)
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 12/05/2003 : 06:35:38
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Heh, long is almost a bonus in this case, though. :) The length of your track is fine, it doesn't get stale or anything like that, and since AOTW is a 2-part song, all the more reason.
IceCream, I have to say I agree with AdamWest... if you think it sounds better, then do it. Either way, people are going to be hearing the track, don't you want it to be as good as can be? That said, I don't recall being asked about adding a guitar, which is only to say that I've been going through so many emails and songs it's not even funny, so if I missed something, I apologize. I think a guitar might help tie the song together as it leans a little on the random side, though without knowing exactly what you want to do with it, it's sort of hard to say. But you'd need to add it and send it today. You might want to bring your vocals down a little bit, too. That's about all I can recommend for so short a time.
As for breaking the rules, I'm sure most of you'd agree with me that it's in the best interests of the majority and/or the album itself to do so, it would probably be a mistake for me to do so.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/05/2003 : 08:09:03
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15 mins! flaming heck! did you forget how it ended?
(one of my fave lines from Futurama - when Beck plays Sexx Laws, I think, for a ridiculous amount of time, apologising at the end, saying they'd forgot how it ended)
And Tim, if my track is chosen for an A-side, is there anything you could do for the bass part at 1:13.5 (I think), it's missing a note or is slightly out of sync... 
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 12/05/2003 : 08:48:17
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Heh, his is about 5 mins.
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El Barto
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Posted - 12/05/2003 : 10:20:12
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I didn't make up my mind on which song to do until about 4 days before the deadline. I didn't record the final version until like, 5PM Sunday. I worked down to the wire baby...reminds me of high school.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 12/05/2003 : 10:20:55
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That's hilarious, Beck and Sexx Laws..hahhaha..i gotta try and find that episode...hahahaha
Broken fave weighs in at 1:30..that's with the extended ending..hahah |
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ProverbialCereal
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USA
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Posted - 12/05/2003 : 12:02:42
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ha. Extended ending and it's till 90 seconds long.
My Where is My Mind is about 4:05 by the way.
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speedy_m
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Canada
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Posted - 12/05/2003 : 12:12:52
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So far There Goes My Gun goes about 3:40 or so. We were afraid it would end up being much longer, but 3:40 seems respectable.
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