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Bedbug
= Cult of Ray =

409 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2016 :  07:13:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Baal's Back, again

I will find some time to defend Tenement Song later this week. To me it's one of those songs that is much deeper than it appears, lyrics aren't any worse than HCYM and other classic Pixies tunes.

We should have started at the beginning to guess which song will survive until the end.
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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1169 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2016 :  07:43:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Baals Back.

Cool song, but the way it sounds on the album is terrible.

And I don't want to kill another Indie Cindy track (2/3rds of the album is already gone !).

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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2521 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2016 :  08:07:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BunsenH

Alright, before anyone else votes down Andro Queen, I think we should all listen to the clip below. I get why so many skip this track – the production is blown-out, the arrangement doesn’t sound like a Pixies song, the meter makes it sound like it’s not even a BFB song – but it really is a beautiful song; lyrically and musically it is beautiful.

Listen to this clip (skip to 7:31). He explains the song and performs a stripped-down version that could be the best performance in the set:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01bSibI-ebc

Neither here nor there, but the version of “I Burn Today” is outstanding, too, IMO.




Thanks for that, great version! I'm already an Andro Queen fan though, to the point where looking down the list of songs that's left, I think it's definitely in the top 3, maybe even the best.

I Burn Today sounds great too, I've been listening to Honeycomb A LOT lately. Such a great album.

My vote is now Women of War, just never connected with it.


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jake3
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United Kingdom
139 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2016 :  11:40:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Starting to think Indie Cindy is underrated around here. So many great songs gone with lots of inoffensive filler still hanging about. Andro Queen again.
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The Maharal
= Cult of Ray =

606 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2016 :  11:53:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tenement Song. AQ and BB deserve better!
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =

USA
680 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2016 :  14:20:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jake3

Starting to think Indie Cindy is underrated around here. So many great songs gone with lots of inoffensive filler still hanging about. Andro Queen again.



Haha, you say IC is underrated then list an IC song to be chopped.
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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1169 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2016 :  15:35:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He meant Baals.

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sdon
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France
527 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2016 :  21:13:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Round 7 : Women of War
weaker than the remaining field
Sad also than several gems from IC are gone, but it's how Survivor works, sometimes the best ones are voted out in early rounds

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Don Eduardo
= Cult of Ray =

Australia
402 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2016 :  21:28:02  Show Profile  Click to see Don Eduardo's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Tenement song. It and Talent the only HC tracks I can't get into
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jake3
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United Kingdom
139 Posts

Posted - 12/30/2016 :  11:06:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by natenate101

quote:
Originally posted by jake3

Starting to think Indie Cindy is underrated around here. So many great songs gone with lots of inoffensive filler still hanging about. Andro Queen again.



Haha, you say IC is underrated then list an IC song to be chopped.



Got me! Like sdon implies, it's the polarising tracks that suffer and unfortunately Indie Cindy seems to be full of them.

Edited by - jake3 on 12/30/2016 11:08:19
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The Holiday Son
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France
1970 Posts

Posted - 12/31/2016 :  21:48:07  Show Profile  Visit The Holiday Son's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Indie Cindy
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Active Duck
~ Abstract Brain ~

United Kingdom
342 Posts

Posted - 01/02/2017 :  02:41:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Indie Cindy
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Sprite
= Cult of Ray =

672 Posts

Posted - 01/02/2017 :  12:31:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Round 7: Indie Cindy
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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1169 Posts

Posted - 01/02/2017 :  20:16:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So you really think Baals is "better" than Indie Cindy ?

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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 01/03/2017 :  01:48:27  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Indie Cindy.

Denis
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The Holiday Son
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France
1970 Posts

Posted - 01/03/2017 :  03:02:56  Show Profile  Visit The Holiday Son's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

So you really think Baals is "better" than Indie Cindy ?


Yes.
But in a perfect world, this game should be played with hidden votes. I think it would give very different results.
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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1169 Posts

Posted - 01/03/2017 :  04:57:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
RIP IC album ! (I guess Andro & Boom will follow !)

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Sprite
= Cult of Ray =

672 Posts

Posted - 01/03/2017 :  12:18:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

So you really think Baals is "better" than Indie Cindy ?

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Yes I do. And it was fantastic when I saw it live. Miles better than Indie Cindy live.
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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1169 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  00:03:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry, I was talking about the album versions. I think Indie is in overall a better song, but the album version is obviously better than the (failed?) live renditions. Exact opposite for Baals: live version is punchy, album version sucks.

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Don Eduardo
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Australia
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Posted - 01/04/2017 :  00:56:34  Show Profile  Click to see Don Eduardo's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Baals is a great song, live or otherwise! IMO
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Active Duck
~ Abstract Brain ~

United Kingdom
342 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  01:08:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

Sorry, I was talking about the album versions. I think Indie is in overall a better song, but the album version is obviously better than the (failed?) live renditions. Exact opposite for Baals: live version is punchy, album version sucks.



It's impossible to argue with you about the quality of the two album recordings Picpic. Even with that major disadvantage there's something exciting and surprising about the idea behind Baal's Back that Indie Cindy just can't hope to match for me... zzz... a song about doubting whether the audience will appreciate their new music. Not an easy concept to create a masterpiece from.

And then I just find it hard to listen to the macho but also weirdly stuttering and kind of hesitant lyrics/delivery of 'Put this down for the record'... to... 'Blowtorch a hole in that armor And I don't need the tip'
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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
652 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  02:31:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I thought Indie Cindy was about Theseus slaying the Minotaur.
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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1169 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  02:55:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe I'm missing something in the lyrics (french-speaking here) but I also liked the minotaur theory

(http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21358)

Those lyrics sounded quite neat to me (most of the Indie Cindy album lyrics in fact) compared to HC.

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Active Duck
~ Abstract Brain ~

United Kingdom
342 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  03:16:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stevio10

I thought Indie Cindy was about Theseus slaying the Minotaur.



Was this I was thinking about...

on “Indie Cindy” — for which the band also released a video on Tuesday — the band uses some of the sudden dynamic shifts that were its most recognizable signature. Mr. Thompson describes the track as a love song that reflects the anxiety of trying to seduce his audience all over again. “Indie Cindy, be in love with me,” he sings. “I beg for you to carry me.”

“It’s all about self-doubt,” Mr. Thompson explained. “It says to the audience: ‘I don’t know if this romance has still got what it needs to happen again. I don’t know if you’ll accept me; I don’t know if I accept you. But we have this memory. Can we do it again?’ ”


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/04/arts/music/the-pixies-motor-on-without-their-longtime-bassist.html
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Active Duck
~ Abstract Brain ~

United Kingdom
342 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  03:21:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That Minotaur/Indie Cindy thread is an interesting read. Thanks.
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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
652 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  04:43:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ah thanks for sharing Active Duck! I think I missed that before.

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BunsenH
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249 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  07:43:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Will cut another track soon. If I cut now it's "Indie Cindy", which, admittedly, makes me a little sad.

We are approaching the point where nearly all IC tracks are cut (just IC, Andro, Magda and Boom are left). What gives? Do we really think that the *worst* track on HC is better than the *best* track on IC?

I can't help but think that some of us are underrating IC (maybe due to the production?) and overvaluing HC like it's a "return to form" (though none of their albums ever returned to a "form", IMO). Maybe we needed a bit more time after HC's release for us fans to offer up objective opinions.



Edited by - BunsenH on 01/04/2017 07:45:52
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Sprite
= Cult of Ray =

672 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  08:56:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'd say on average the tracks on HC are superior to the tracks on IC. IC for me just feels a bit tentative and forced, HC is much more cohesive and in the zone. But there are certainly tracks on HC I would drop for ones on IC, however my faves off IC are not the popular ones (Snakes/Bell/Jaime).
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =

France
527 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  09:14:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I prefer most lyrics on IC than those on HC
Bagboy, Indie Cindy, Boom, Andro Queen, Hexe, Silver Snail... have great lyrics / imagery

IMHO, only Oona, All The Saints, Head Carrier and Baal's Back have decent lyrics

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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1169 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  09:58:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Indie Cindy album is in purgatory right now.

Glad Boom & Andro are still on the list btw. Great songs.

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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
652 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  12:25:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I gave up on the survivor after I saw them live. I picked Snakes then the song blew me live!

Know it's about album versions but hearing a song live changes how you feel about it. And although the only other song from IC was Magdalena that too was great.

So I'm finding it hard to choose, the body of work from IC and HC is solid. I'll let you guys choose! But IC is still stellar work.


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Fitzy
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Portugal
40 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  12:45:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Starting to hurt a little.

Going with Plaster of Paris. It's different and bouncy and fun, but besides the amazing job that Paz does on that track, the song itself doesn't have that much to sink your teeth into.
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stuczuba
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101 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2017 :  23:26:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tenement Song, it's just not as good as the remaining IC tracks.
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Sprite
= Cult of Ray =

672 Posts

Posted - 01/05/2017 :  05:55:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Round 8: Bel Esprit

In the spirit of keeping the IC alive I am going to go for my least fave on HC.

Edited by - Sprite on 01/05/2017 14:02:55
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BunsenH
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249 Posts

Posted - 01/05/2017 :  06:01:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sprite

Round 8: Bel Esprit

In the spirit of keeping the IC alive I am going to go for my least fave on HC.




We're technically still in round 7. Will kill another track tomorrow morning. Get yer vote in!
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