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hammerhands
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 Posted - 03/20/2014 : 12:25:53
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Those same things are said everywhere this is discussed,
Neil Young is deaf and he's no scientist. Why is that? |
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Grotesque
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Posted - 03/21/2014 : 07:17:00
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Originally posted by hammerhands
Those same things are said everywhere this is discussed,
Neil Young is deaf and he's no scientist. Why is that?
There is some hidden issue in that apparently stupid debate: we're talking about the aura of a recording. Maybe the technical and physical difference is small but there is a shamanic charge when you listen to the vynil or anything that makes it special (like that Neil Young pod thing). It makes me think to Andy Partridge and the out of phase problem with the first edition of Skylarking. Partridge now owns the rights and he corrected the phase for the reedition, and sold tons of it because people thought "now this is the real thing". Skylarking is a very good album anyway, and maybe I cant telle the difference sonically, but i would be happy to pay for that shamanic charge. That's why we're kind of obsessed with the compression in the EPs: it really messes the sound, but more than that it makes it vulgar, without aura, typical of the mp3 times. We dont want a pixies record without aura. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 03/21/2014 : 07:59:00
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 03/21/2014 : 08:39:30
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Originally posted by Grotesque
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Originally posted by hammerhands
Those same things are said everywhere this is discussed,
Neil Young is deaf and he's no scientist. Why is that?
There is some hidden issue in that apparently stupid debate: we're talking about the aura of a recording. Maybe the technical and physical difference is small but there is a shamanic charge when you listen to the vynil or anything that makes it special (like that Neil Young pod thing). It makes me think to Andy Partridge and the out of phase problem with the first edition of Skylarking. Partridge now owns the rights and he corrected the phase for the reedition, and sold tons of it because people thought "now this is the real thing". Skylarking is a very good album anyway, and maybe I cant telle the difference sonically, but i would be happy to pay for that shamanic charge. That's why we're kind of obsessed with the compression in the EPs: it really messes the sound, but more than that it makes it vulgar, without aura, typical of the mp3 times. We dont want a pixies record without aura.
Well, the Neil Young player just aims at the opposite: if offers ultra-high fidelity. Vinyl, on the other side, and the inherent flaws that go with it is actually what people like so much. It colors the sound in a way that is enjoyable by some listeners. This type of listeners probably won't be excited to hear bit-perfect, ultra-linear sounding musical reproduction music the Neil Young player is offering... especially on modern records (latest proof: people on this forum like the vinyl version of EP1 EP2. It is actually as badly mastered as the CD version, but vinyl offers some coloring to those ultra-boosted-numeric-sounding records that softens everything, which is actually more comfortable to listen to).
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/21/2014 : 12:46:37
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Originally posted by natenate101
Why is this even being discussed in this thread?
It was a sidebar that took on a life of it's own. I agree we should probably start a new Fidelity thread or something.
I was a major perpetrator of it I'll admit. To be fair, it has indeed cropped up in one form or another on many recent threads. Except to respond to the following, I'll refrain from muddying up our interview thread with further aural commentary.
picpic said...
"This type of listeners probably won't be excited to hear bit-perfect, ultra-linear sounding musical reproduction music the Neil Young player is offering... especially on modern records (latest proof: people on this forum like the vinyl version of EP1 EP2. It is actually as badly mastered as the CD version, but vinyl offers some coloring to those ultra-boosted-numeric-sounding records that softens everything, which is actually more comfortable to listen to)."
The point of talking about Neil's pono is that it proves that people care about the quality of the production sound, not a vinyl comparison. It's apples and oranges and not particularly relevant to my point. I was suggesting that it shows that there is an appetite for sound that is not destroyed (like it used to be in the good old days, the vinyl versions of the EP still sound like shit, they just sound like normal shit instead of Taco Bell shit). The Pono would make the digital EP's sound far worse than they already do.
Along with that thing is a direct full resolution mastering (via access to Columbia's ENTIRE catalog). That's the most exciting thing about it. They're pulling from the best of the best masters and doing full resolution archival of those masters before they fall apart. THAT's the good thing.
Vinyl, yes - it adds something. The important part, is when direct mastered from the tapes, they accurately capture the entire sound wave. It's all moot to the discussion of any additional artifacts or eq rolling inherent to the media. The point is, no one running the show gives a shit about production anymore. Things like the Pono prove that there is a market for well engineered and mastered music and the means to listen to it.
Okay, sorry folks, I'll start a Fidelity thread this weekend sometime. If someone doesn't beat me to it.
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pixie punk
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Posted - 03/25/2014 : 02:33:36
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http://www.mojo4music.com/12869/mojo-246-may-2014/ Black Francis talks about his time in Puerto Rico and the birth of Pixies in the May 2014 Issue of Mojo Magazine.If someone here gets a copy and can scan the article it'll be greatly appreciated.Mojo is no longer available here in Puerto Rico.I used to but it at our local Borders Stores but they closed down.
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pixie punk
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natenate101
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johnnyribcage
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Mac E. Doobage
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Posted - 04/06/2014 : 01:54:58
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natenate101
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Ziggy
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BunsenH
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Posted - 04/17/2014 : 14:25:20
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Originally posted by pixie punk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PdcHSTZu3w Coachella 2014 Backstage Audio Interview by 91 X.
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So, is that an unreleased Pixies tune playing in the background? |
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sdon
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Posted - 04/17/2014 : 19:50:28
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nice try Bunsen to force me to listen to that interview :)
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BunsenH
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Posted - 04/17/2014 : 21:48:30
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Originally posted by sdon
nice try Bunsen to force me to listen to that interview :)
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I think I screwed up the link anyway. It's the radio.com one. ;) |
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pixie punk
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Fissile
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Posted - 04/22/2014 : 04:44:39
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Originally posted by pixie punk
http://www.evoke.ie/pi/ Joey Interview.
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Joe mentions his girlfriend. So he and his wife are divorced? |
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Sprite
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Sprite
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Posted - 04/23/2014 : 14:04:56
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I particularly like this one.
Q: I know you initially received some harsh reviews for EP1 — famously getting a 1 out of 10 on Pitchfork — mostly because you have such mega-fans and their expectations of you are now so incredibly unattainably high that it almost sets you up for failure. Was there ever a moment where you reconsidered making new material as the Pixies?
A: Sure. It’s easy to momentarily buy into that kind of thinking, but ultimately we’re just not those kind of people. We are truly independent artists. No one is going to tell us what to do: not our record company, not a record producer, not the audience, nobody. It’s not that we’re not interested in what people think, but I think people’s opinions can’t really help you make good decisions about your art. You can’t really take into consideration other people’s opinions. It just doesn’t feel right. It doesn’t feel true. |
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natenate101
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natenate101
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TinMachine
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 08:27:50
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Definitely some gems, and not much I don't like. Probably an 8 for me - just short of Black's recent best Svrn Fngrs, The Golem - but with very little I wouldn't like to see live and no embarrassments. Some of the tracks I was less enamoured with - What Goes Boom being one example - sounded amazing in demo (edit: i mean live) form. I really think that had Deal not walked out, or had they waited til Paz or Shattuck were around to rerecord, we'd be seeing the songs at their best (I note that Black notes that my favourite song, Bagboy, had a lot of input from Deal). The slight shortfalls come down to the circumstances of recording rather than any problems with songwriting. |
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Oui
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 08:34:32
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TinMachine
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 09:06:46
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Oh sorry I didn't mean demo, I meant live, mistake on my part - I was referring to the recent KCRW set they did, WGB being second track here: http://zumic.com/music-videos/84171/pixies-live-kcrw-4-24-2014-video/
The female, undeal-like vocals makes the song work better for me because I feel like it breaks up the song a bit, makes it feel a bit more expansive with room to breathe. It's also an example of how they've changed - with some of the studio cuts obviously compromised by the Deal-shaped hole Black mentioned in interviews (Bagboy most obviously with those vocals). The fact that it works so well (at least for me) makes the case that the change could be positive.
Indie Cindy is great I think, but fundamentally transitional. The live versions I've been hearing with Paz's contributions make a better case than the album cuts do for the band going forward. |
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Oui
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 09:30:22
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Cool, thanks TinMachine. What Goes Boom certainly does sound great live. I find in the studio version Joey's guitar is a little too buried for me. I sure do hope there is a Pixies record with Paz.
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I think someone does have the Demo version of WGB and prefers it. |
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