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simibaby
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 Posted - 02/19/2014 : 15:57:19
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Sam
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 02/20/2014 : 00:45:56
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Originally posted by The Champ
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Originally posted by Oui
Time to set up Mr. Francis' mobile studio. A Black Letter Day sound would suit Pixies just fine. Great write up by Bryan Parker.
Ugh, just no. Those albums sounded awful.
Impressive for two track recordings. But they screamed "demo" and were hard to listen to.
watchu talkin bout champ? BLD is \ sounds fantastic.
Unless you are dealing n canine frequencies, in which case maybe i'm not picking up the hgher freqs. |
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trobrianders
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Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 02/20/2014 : 01:08:02
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Originally posted by Sam
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Originally posted by The Champ
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Originally posted by Oui
Time to set up Mr. Francis' mobile studio. A Black Letter Day sound would suit Pixies just fine. Great write up by Bryan Parker.
Ugh, just no. Those albums sounded awful.
Impressive for two track recordings. But they screamed "demo" and were hard to listen to.
watchu talkin bout champ? BLD is \ sounds fantastic.
Unless you are dealing n canine frequencies, in which case maybe i'm not picking up the hgher freqs.
EDF didn't think so.
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Sam
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 02/20/2014 : 01:13:08
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Did EDF say he didnt like the production Trobi?
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 02/20/2014 : 01:47:41
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Yeah, on podcast 17.
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 02/20/2014 : 03:39:55
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Originally posted by Sam
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Originally posted by The Champ
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Originally posted by Oui
Time to set up Mr. Francis' mobile studio. A Black Letter Day sound would suit Pixies just fine. Great write up by Bryan Parker.
Ugh, just no. Those albums sounded awful.
Impressive for two track recordings. But they screamed "demo" and were hard to listen to.
watchu talkin bout champ? BLD is \ sounds fantastic.
Unless you are dealing n canine frequencies, in which case maybe i'm not picking up the hgher freqs.
Lol, no. I just find both recordings muddy and flat. Certain instruments are overpowering and others are lost in the mix. The percussion are probably a bit too loud and the lead guitars are sometimes lost. Keep in mind, I find Surfer Rosa to be the worst recorded Pixies album -hard as hell to listen to (never heard the vinyl, however)....
That's the way she goes when you are doing it live. |
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tisasawath
= Cult of Ray =
Wallis and Futuna Islands
783 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2014 : 09:26:10
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Originally posted by sdon
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Frank should get Kim Deal to produce a Pixies ep...
This. Idea of the year.
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"Aristophanes! (gong sounds)"
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natenate101
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USA
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2014 : 00:40:38
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Originally posted by trobrianders
Yeah, on podcast 17.
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That was before Non Stop Erotic then: i thought "aha, if he says it lacks some punch he must know EXATLY what would've been the right thing to do to give it more punch". But honestly I dont feel lake of sin, corrina or even deadman's curve have that much punch!
Yeah that could be a good thing for the pixies to record something less produced: the live versions of what goes boom and indy cindy have WAY more emotion, it feels like the real thing, especially joey's guitar on what goes boom and charles' voice on both songs: charles voice is a disaster on the Norton recordings, he's totally restrained, a lot of critic mentionned you can't really recognize him and they're not wrong. There is something exuberant with charles' vocals that missed here. They just thought "ok, we're doing a pixies record, no Frank Black stuff, so charles'voice must be in the back, because Albini set the rules first and Norton kinda respected that line... Ok his voice and rythm guitar ARE in the back (if you want to respect the pixies sound, wich is not an obligation anyway), but it doesnt mean that restrained feeling: they where in the back but they fiercly wanted to be heard! And most of all on the TV live version of what goes boom i can clearly hear Black Francis HAVING FUN with his vocal. On the studio version i hear someone trying to do some nice vocals. I remember the fb's early shows, he would always sing something subbtly different in the rythm or the melody, and it really felt he was doing that so he would never get bored with the songs, like if he was rewriting them forever, but staying naturally faithfull to the original mold. Then when he did that for Christmass or Frank Black Francis, or even the catholics version of gouge away, it was not as convincing, more like if he was doing a cover of himself, not like if he was rewriting the song permanently but more like if he didnt care about the rythm and melody, more like destroying it, more like Bob Dylan actually... But it's easy to understand why: he did that over and over, he wrote so many songs!
If you dont get what i explain, then hear this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg5SMSnwqW4
Then hear this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4bs5t9qJmc |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 02/22/2014 : 02:12:54
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Yeah I do get that. Funny you chose an FB performance from France. Charles loves France of course. I recently commented on what I see as an identity crisis going on in France. Not identity crisis but a forward-looking French need to clarify its stance. It's kind of admirable really even though it means a lot of tying and untying of knots. From an English perspective it all looks exhausting ha ha. You guys have a lot of energy! And so much going on in the mix, recent things making the news over here; Dieudonné, la quenelle, Printemps Français, Dominique Venner, Frigide Barjot, the fallout from the ban on the full face veil etc.
Anyway back on subject. You make a good point. I hadn't connected the dots between EDF saying he wanted the wheels coming off the road on the next recording and how NSE ultimately sounded. I suppose he achieved that on Six-Legged Man and Rocket USA but otherwise it's like you say, lacking in punch. NSE's more about rhythm to me than speed. As to why Charles sang that way on the recent Pixies recordings - it would all make sense if we'd overheard the recording room discussions between Charles and Gil. Final analysis, it is what it is. I'm happy to stop there but I'm not French ha ha. Anyway, today we're all Ukranian.
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/22/2014 : 02:13:41
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I was listening to the Black Sessions Live in Paris the other day and it struck me how different FB's vocals were then.
Although recorded in 1995 and from the TOTY tour, in my mind I found it hard to place where it fits in chronoligical order from Pixies - FB Yellow to Cult - FB Catholics - FB Nash - BF - Pixies.
I know it is post Pixies but something about the FB period 93-96 in particular, to my mind atleast, feels like a different person to the Black Francis of the Pixies beforehand which is quite an impressive trick!
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/22/2014 : 02:35:12
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Originally posted by trobrianders
Yeah I do get that. Funny you chose an FB performance from France. Charles loves France of course. I recently commented on what I see as an identity crisis going on in France. Not identity crisis but a forward-looking French need to clarify its stance. It's kind of admirable really even though it means a lot of tying and untying of knots. From an English perspective it all looks exhausting ha ha. You guys have a lot of energy! And so much going on in the mix, recent things making the news over here; Dieudonné, la quenelle, Printemps Français, Dominique Venner, Frigide Barjot, the fallout from the ban on the full face veil etc.
Anyway back on subject. You make a good point. I hadn't connected the dots between EDF saying he wanted the wheels coming off the road on the next recording and how NSE ultimately sounded. I suppose he achieved that on Six-Legged Man and Rocket USA but otherwise it's like you say, lacking in punch. NSE's more about rhythm to me than speed. As to why Charles sang that way on the recent Pixies recordings - it would all make sense if we'd overheard the recording room discussions between Charles and Gil. Final analysis, it is what it is. I'm happy to stop there but I'm not French ha ha. Anyway, today we're all Ukranian.
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The Nonstoperotik sound is bizarre. Really sludgy mix.
Some of the Rockfield recordings have vocals taken from demos - the 'Indie Cindy' verses at least were done in a hotel room I think.
I think part of the reason the live performances sound better than the recordings is they've had a few months of playing them and playing new material together. 'Indie Cindy' sounds better now than it did on the early shows of the tour. Same for Hexe etc (although that's only a personal preference).
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 02/22/2014 : 04:33:48
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The Indie Cindy vocals are great on the recording and have a ton of emotion. You can thank Norton for that. Sorry, but I have yet to hear Frank deliver that vocal live yet. It is kind of impossible due to the nature of all the other songs he sings every night.
I don't want to hear an out of tune falsetto on a professionally recorded track. Especially with a catchy chorus like Indie Cindy. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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892 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2014 : 05:42:40
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Originally posted by Grotesque
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Originally posted by trobrianders
Yeah, on podcast 17.
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Ed is the hoo hoo
That was before Non Stop Erotic then: i thought "aha, if he says it lacks some punch he must know EXATLY what would've been the right thing to do to give it more punch". But honestly I dont feel lake of sin, corrina or even deadman's curve have that much punch!
Yeah that could be a good thing for the pixies to record something less produced: the live versions of what goes boom and indy cindy have WAY more emotion, it feels like the real thing, especially joey's guitar on what goes boom and charles' voice on both songs: charles voice is a disaster on the Norton recordings, he's totally restrained, a lot of critic mentionned you can't really recognize him and they're not wrong. There is something exuberant with charles' vocals that missed here. They just thought "ok, we're doing a pixies record, no Frank Black stuff, so charles'voice must be in the back, because Albini set the rules first and Norton kinda respected that line... Ok his voice and rythm guitar ARE in the back (if you want to respect the pixies sound, wich is not an obligation anyway), but it doesnt mean that restrained feeling: they where in the back but they fiercly wanted to be heard! And most of all on the TV live version of what goes boom i can clearly hear Black Francis HAVING FUN with his vocal. On the studio version i hear someone trying to do some nice vocals. I remember the fb's early shows, he would always sing something subbtly different in the rythm or the melody, and it really felt he was doing that so he would never get bored with the songs, like if he was rewriting them forever, but staying naturally faithfull to the original mold. Then when he did that for Christmass or Frank Black Francis, or even the catholics version of gouge away, it was not as convincing, more like if he was doing a cover of himself, not like if he was rewriting the song permanently but more like if he didnt care about the rythm and melody, more like destroying it, more like Bob Dylan actually... But it's easy to understand why: he did that over and over, he wrote so many songs!
If you dont get what i explain, then hear this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg5SMSnwqW4
Then hear this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4bs5t9qJmc
Though I really enjoy the new stuff, I agree with a lot of this. His vocals do sound a bit restrained or at least miss some of the trademarks at times. The live stuff, even the recent acoustic performance in Seattle, see them come out more and they may have smoothed things up a bit too much for the recorded versions. I get it though, BF didn't want to come out too unhinged for this return to new music. Sounds as though the new stuff recorded will maybe swerve back towards a more primal approach.
Anyhoo back to the interviews/articles
http://www.abqjournal.com/356583/entertainment/albuquerque-rock-29.html
Notice joey saying,"We haven't started on the 3rd part yet". |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/22/2014 : 07:29:03
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Originally posted by The Champ
The Indie Cindy vocals are great on the recording and have a ton of emotion. You can thank Norton for that. Sorry, but I have yet to hear Frank deliver that vocal live yet. It is kind of impossible due to the nature of all the other songs he sings every night.
I don't want to hear an out of tune falsetto on a professionally recorded track. Especially with a catchy chorus like Indie Cindy.
Not blaming Norton for anything. Great to have him back working with the band and he brings out the best in them. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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pixie punk
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Fissile
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Fissile
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The New Bolero
= Cult of Ray =
394 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2014 : 06:48:48
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The setlist shown on the Consequence of Sound video is priceless. It reads:
BONE
WAVE
STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN
FREE BIRD
LUST FOR LIFE
UPTOWN GIRL
STAYING ALIVE
HEY JUDE
GIMME SHELTER
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IN-A-GADDA DA-VIDA
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/27/2014 : 13:58:52
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That's funny.
I'd love it if they pixified Staying Alive... |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2014 : 02:01:03
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcFHOGZ-6aM
One second of this has more musicality than both new EPs!
My first tought watching that acoustic live was "huhu, starting to make some music again?" At last the new songs sound like actual songs. The particular mystery of Charles' songrwriting is actually there, so i guess the other EP songs have it also and it was just hidden, or should i say crushed by the production.
I bet big on the new recordings. And re record the 8 songs wouldnt hurt, so we could finally hear those songs. |
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/01/2014 : 08:43:15
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The EP production is great. But the musicality and overall greatness of the songs is eaten away by this awful post-production compression. Sorry to bring that boring topic again, but I strongly believe that it totally ruins great music.
Take the compression out of the picture, and the EP's are simply awesome. No need to re-record ANY song, the record company simply needs to release the uncompressed version (which they'll never do, of course).
So that's totally normal that any concert is sounding WAY better to anyone's ears.
Tiny desk mini concert was nice, by the way. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
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Posted - 03/01/2014 : 10:58:51
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Originally posted by picpic
The EP production is great. But the musicality and overall greatness of the songs is eaten away by this awful post-production compression. Sorry to bring that boring topic again, but I strongly believe that it totally ruins great music.
Take the compression out of the picture, and the EP's are simply awesome. No need to re-record ANY song, the record company simply needs to release the uncompressed version (which they'll never do, of course).
So that's totally normal that any concert is sounding WAY better to anyone's ears.
Tiny desk mini concert was nice, by the way.
Yeah, I hope at least they remaster it with less compression for the LP. Who could listen a full length record of that? It would be like hearing a one hour advertising. The big loud-loud-flat sound! |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/05/2014 : 12:24:59
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Originally posted by Grotesque
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Originally posted by picpic
The EP production is great. But the musicality and overall greatness of the songs is eaten away by this awful post-production compression. Sorry to bring that boring topic again, but I strongly believe that it totally ruins great music.
Take the compression out of the picture, and the EP's are simply awesome. No need to re-record ANY song, the record company simply needs to release the uncompressed version (which they'll never do, of course).
So that's totally normal that any concert is sounding WAY better to anyone's ears.
Tiny desk mini concert was nice, by the way.
Yeah, I hope at least they remaster it with less compression for the LP. Who could listen a full length record of that? It would be like hearing a one hour advertising. The big loud-loud-flat sound!
Unfortunately I have exactly 0 hope for that happening. It would be fantastic and make me a very happy camper though. I'd love to be able to crank these songs and hear all the subtleties rather than a cement brick to the face.
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picpic
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Posted - 03/05/2014 : 23:37:38
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I'm glad i'm not the only one being unhappy on that matter.
EP1 / EP2 are probably one of the worst examples of overcompression in modern music.
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=pixies&album=
Sadly, considering the fact that even world-famous bands won't release uncompressed versions of horribly compressed albums despite numerous petitions and fan outrage, there's probably no chance at all for us to hear the real EP-1 and EP-2 the way they were initially recorded.
If we hear the uncompressed version one day, it will probably be through unofficial sources.
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The New Bolero
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 03/06/2014 : 07:50:29
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Some pretty interesting quotes in this Guardian piece....
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/mar/06/black-francis-kim-deal-departure-the-pixies
Kim Deal is welcome to rejoin the Pixies, Black Francis has revealed. She just has to pick up the phone.
It has been almost a year since Kim Deal left the Pixies, flying back to America mid-way through a Welsh recording session. In a new interview with Magnet magazine, Francis admitted that he has not spoken Deal since she “was getting on that plane”. Yet the door is open if she ever wants to return. “I can’t say if she called tomorrow, I wouldn’t be like, ‘Oh wow, really?’” he said. And Deal has even been in touch with the band: “She said, ‘Hey, if you need any more bass ...’ But it wasn’t quite ... from out point of view it wasn’t committed enough.”
The frontman also said he still isn’t completely clear why she left. “She’s been reticent for a very long time to make a new [Pixies] record,” he said. “She was unhappy with the situation, or unhappy with her life or whatever, just not happy.”
Francis has also made his first public statements about the sacking of Deal’s replacement, Kim Shattuck. The decision was not, as she theorised, due to her impromptu stage-dive at a gig in Los Angeles. Instead it was a combination of clashing personality types and Shattuck’s allegedly less-than-airtight bass-playing. “Personality-wise, [Shattuck’s] very west coast, she’s very extrovert. We’re very east coast, very introvert,” Francis said. More gravely, the group’s drummer, David Lovering, apparently told Francis: “Look, I don’t want to play with some lead singer/guitarist who’s picked up a bass ... I need to have someone who’s in the pocket. I need a real bass player. I worked really hard, I finally got to where I am – now you’re giving me some chick who doesn’t even play the bass.”
For now, the Pixies are moving on without a permanent bassist. Paz Lenchantin is working with them on their current tour-dates, while Simon Archer recorded bass for their two new EPs. The latest, EP2, was released in January.
The Pixies are due to return to the UK this summer, playing concerts including Field Day and T in the Park. |
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rivum
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 03/06/2014 : 08:28:13
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2014 : 13:41:38
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^ wow, makes you wonder when exactly Kim reached back out to the Mgmt.
Also, not getting a warm fuzzy about Paz sticking around long term. I guess it's all still very much a fluid situation. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2014 : 14:17:00
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Originally posted by picpic
I'm glad i'm not the only one being unhappy on that matter.
EP1 / EP2 are probably one of the worst examples of overcompression in modern music.
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=pixies&album=
Sadly, considering the fact that even world-famous bands won't release uncompressed versions of horribly compressed albums despite numerous petitions and fan outrage, there's probably no chance at all for us to hear the real EP-1 and EP-2 the way they were initially recorded.
If we hear the uncompressed version one day, it will probably be through unofficial sources.
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In that link the ep vynils seem much better than the cds. |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 03/06/2014 : 15:07:07
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so kim offered to finish playing bass on the recordings? oh man. why didn't they let her.
i suppose they didn't want a record with the "kim deal songs" and the "not kim deal songs". |
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Pixies Interviews 2014
