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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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 Posted - 02/08/2014 : 11:05:12
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Especially Frank was very happy with Kim S in the band, talking about recording with her and stuff. Then she showed up on publicity photo's and all of a sudden it was over.
You are not owing me (as a fan) an explanation, but I guess you do own your employee one. It's a shame the Pixies took another route. As far as we know...
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
As Frank says every night; So disappointed I was that I had big small talk with You.
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houstonguthrie
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Posted - 02/08/2014 : 11:49:31
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Originally posted by pixie punk
http://blogs.westword.com/backbeat/2014/02/interview_pixies_joey_santiago.php
PUERTO RICO PIXIE
I like this one with all the guitar talk - good stuff!
you know that movie "It Might Get Loud" with Jack White, Edge, and Jimmy Page - they need to make another one of those and put Joey in it -
Joey,........with Keith Richards, and..........hmmmmm.....who else? |
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/08/2014 : 11:55:35
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| Kim S was probably too like Kim D (extroverted, too much personality, was leader of her own band) to be a Pixie for long, and that would have grated on the others. If they wanted to record and she had to do a Muff's tour or something, it would have pissed them off. Her singing wasn't terribly strong and bass wasn't her first instrument so she did well to get as far as she did. Interested to see the band with Paz, Billy Corgan described her as "mean spirited" so she'd fit in well with the others. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2014 : 11:57:25
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Originally posted by trobrianders
Pixies are not some half-assed punk collective.
No, they are not. As it was pointed out a couple of weeks ago on this board, they are and always have been a business! Uphold the public image or be the proverbial tall blade of grass like Kim Shattuck.
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/08/2014 : 12:17:47
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Originally posted by Helmut
Billy Corgan described her as "mean spirited" so she'd fit in well with the others.
Doesn't Billy Corgan call everybody mean spirited? I'm sure he said the same thing about Nelson Mandela. |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/08/2014 : 13:10:23
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| You dont need to be likeable to be liked. Who cares about this Kim S stuff about who said what. More is made of this than Kim D's departure! Why is there this need for the Pixies to be likeable role models? Especially with lyrics such as taking his sister from his head and painting her on the sheet, you know anyone who can come up with that isnt your usual fucking Michael Buble. Its like people who complain about no banter at a show, fuck me its not vh1 storytellers, how the fuck would these people have survived a Ramones show. Fucking lunacy! |
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jake3
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Posted - 02/08/2014 : 13:52:51
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Originally posted by Helmut
Kim S was probably too like Kim D (extroverted, too much personality, was leader of her own band) to be a Pixie for long, and that would have grated on the others. If they wanted to record and she had to do a Muff's tour or something, it would have pissed them off. Her singing wasn't terribly strong and bass wasn't her first instrument so she did well to get as far as she did. Interested to see the band with Paz, Billy Corgan described her as "mean spirited" so she'd fit in well with the others.
Nah, I think your probably confusing a quote about D'arcy Wretzky. He called her a 'mean spirited drug addict'. |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/08/2014 : 14:34:01
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2014 : 15:14:31
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Originally posted by Stevio10
You dont need to be likeable to be liked. Who cares about this Kim S stuff about who said what. More is made of this than Kim D's departure! Why is there this need for the Pixies to be likeable role models? Especially with lyrics such as taking his sister from his head and painting her on the sheet, you know anyone who can come up with that isnt your usual fucking Michael Buble. Its like people who complain about no banter at a show, fuck me its not vh1 storytellers, how the fuck would these people have survived a Ramones show. Fucking lunacy!
Amen. If Kim S didn't fit the band's style, on stage or off then so be it. It would have been interesting to see how everyone would've reacted if Kim S didn't make the twitter announcement first. Doubt we'd see these type of comments from him. He obviously wasn't feeling her at all. Hope Paz sticks around as it looks like she is fitting in well at the moment. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2014 : 11:02:52
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Originally posted by natenate101
It would have been interesting to see how everyone would've reacted if Kim S didn't make the twitter announcement first. Doubt we'd see these type of comments from him.
Joey good, Kim bad. We get it. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/09/2014 : 12:01:49
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On one hand, I don't enjoy Joey's remarks. On the other hand, I'm not asking Joey to be my friend. In the end, nobody committed a crime. Nobody died. When it comes to rock band drama, this is pretty minor on the scale. I can only care about it so much. It bothers me for about a minute.
Ultimately, the Pixies are an aloof band. Like it or don't like it, but that's part of their stage presence and has been for years. If Frank says four words to the audience at a show, that's a lot. If you're in the Ramones, you have to wear a leather jacket and jeans. If you're in The Residents, you're gonna have to wear that eyeball on your head. And if you join the Pixies, it looks like you're gonna have to fit in with their aloofness. That's part of their character. From what I gather, Kim Shattuck didn't do anything "wrong"; she just didn't fit in with the band. And that was enough for Joey at least to not be comfortable playing with her. Big whoop. |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2014 : 12:22:17
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I love Joey's comment about his delay pedals.
"I've got a silly collection of them. You could hear an echo just looking at my pedals" |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2014 : 18:06:27
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Originally posted by BLT
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Originally posted by natenate101
It would have been interesting to see how everyone would've reacted if Kim S didn't make the twitter announcement first. Doubt we'd see these type of comments from him.
Joey good, Kim bad. We get it.
I don't think I said that at all. I'm saying that it seems Kim S announcing it on twitter has pissed off Joey big time. He even said he called her to basically tell her to knock it off. Whether he is right or wrong, it seems that event sparked his ire towards her.
Joey good, Kim S doesn't really matter to me. She does to some of quite a bit it seems. Fair enough. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 02/10/2014 : 05:53:51
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Originally posted by natenate101
He even said he called her to basically tell her to knock it off.
Oh no, was his fax machine broken??? |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/10/2014 : 07:34:39
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Kim Shattuck's announcement was unprofessional... for a musician who's a professional sideman/session player.
That's what not what Kim Shattuck is, though. She's not looking for work in other bands (as Frank said in one interview, he personally approached her about auditioning for the Pixies). She has her own band and no need to maintain a professional image as a bassist-for-hire. She had nothing to lose and disappointment to vent, so she posted the news to Facebook. I don't blame her. I don't have strong feelings about it at all.
But that annoyed Joey and got the band some bad publicity so now Joey's venting. I don't have strong feelings about that, either. It's their business, not mine. This will go on intermittently through the year though, as both Kim Shattuck and the Pixies get asked about it in interviews (the new Muffs album will put Kim Shattuck on the publicity circuit). Eventually, hopefully by next year, nobody will care anymore, especially if the new bassist sticks around. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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892 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2014 : 07:37:04
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Originally posted by BLT
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Originally posted by natenate101
He even said he called her to basically tell her to knock it off.
Oh no, was his fax machine broken???
Not sure, sounds like your heart is though. Don't fret, I'm sure your girl will be just fine. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2014 : 09:34:17
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Taking cheap shots in the media is unprofessional. Running away from your responsibilities of instructing KS that she won't be around any longer is pathetic and unprofessional. From her perspective, after all her hard work they didn't even give her the benefit of a little chat saying "good bye, good luck". Why the fuck would she not go to the media exactly?
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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892 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2014 : 10:14:32
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Originally posted by The Champ
Taking cheap shots in the media is unprofessional. Running away from your responsibilities of instructing KS that she won't be around any longer is pathetic and unprofessional. From her perspective, after all her hard work they didn't even give her the benefit of a little chat saying "good bye, good luck". Why the fuck would she not go to the media exactly?
They could've definitely handled it better (and quieter). |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2014 : 10:49:30
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This page is the nadir of FB.net. I wish they'd kicked her out of stage mid-gig and never talked about it afterwards. I wish Paz had robbed her bass saying "My mum plays better than you!". Just to piss you guys off.
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/10/2014 : 11:29:16
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i like how basic human empathy amounts to the board's nadir. christ.
flat out:
joey sounds like a dick. it's not rock and roll. it's 2014 and these guys are pushing 50. kim s sounds sweet but oblivious. the funny thing is that i'm probably more like joey in terms of being introverted and actually do sympathize with the band's predicament, but that doesn't mean his potshots are cool or excusable. they're shitty. and all of the gushing over paz is lame too. especially because so much of it is contextually a dig at kim s.
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/10/2014 : 12:27:37
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| It's completely possible to have basic human empathy and disagree 100% with what you say. Joe is perfectly entitled to indicate he wasn't keen on a touring member if he wants. Nobody here knows the fine details. It's hardly 'How do you sleep, you c**t' |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/10/2014 : 13:05:03
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Originally posted by Sprite
It's completely possible to have basic human empathy and disagree 100% with what you say. Joe is perfectly entitled to indicate he wasn't keen on a touring member if he wants. Nobody here knows the fine details. It's hardly 'How do you sleep, you c**t'
what? of course he can express those feelings. but there's a leap between that and sounding like a jerk.
the whole situation feels pretty cut and dry. they didn't personally mesh. they didn't professionally mesh. at least on joey's level.
the finer details aren't going to be that she tortures cats or spikes their wheat grass shakes with weight gain powder.
the animosity seems to be born out of her announcing her departure before the band.
"the nadir of the board". people taking issue with a member of the band they enjoy enough to discuss on the internet sounding mean. it's like the polar opposite of what actually makes the internet the heap that it so often is.
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/10/2014 : 13:39:43
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| Kim S had too much personality to be a Pixie, more bubbly and into name dropping like Kim Deal but without the same credentials. We all know how much Kim's personality grated on the Pixies, particularly Charles, and she effectively kept them a reunion band for a decade when they could have been pumping out albums. I gather now the Pixies want to be a slick touring and recording unit and the current personalities in the band will hopefully enable this. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2014 : 19:04:42
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| It may well be the nadir of the board as far as Pixies band members are concerned. (But only because Violet does not count as a Pixie.) |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 02/10/2014 : 21:40:59
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Alright let's call it the nadir of the "Pixies News" section.
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Originally posted by Sprite
It's completely possible to have basic human empathy and disagree 100% with what you say. Joe is perfectly entitled to indicate he wasn't keen on a touring member if he wants. Nobody here knows the fine details. It's hardly 'How do you sleep, you c**t'
Agree 100%.
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/10/2014 : 22:56:13
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| It's funny how sometimes the language influences the speach: in english you have that word "unprofessional" so you use it. I NEVER heard anybody talking about someone "unprofessional" outside of english speaking context. Okay, i guess it can be usefull (maybe everybody who doesnt speak english is unprofessional anyway) but in rock'n'roll I dont understand how you can care about someone being "unprofessional". Was Lou Reed "unprofessional" when he disapeared before a show to find some heroin? Was Jerry Lee Lewis "unprofessional" to burn the piano? Is it "unprofessional" to be passionate and spontaneous, aka the definition of rock'n'roll? |
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pixie punk
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/11/2014 : 09:15:37
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Originally posted by Grotesque
It's funny how sometimes the language influences the speach: in english you have that word "unprofessional" so you use it. I NEVER heard anybody talking about someone "unprofessional" outside of english speaking context. Okay, i guess it can be usefull (maybe everybody who doesnt speak english is unprofessional anyway) but in rock'n'roll I dont understand how you can care about someone being "unprofessional". Was Lou Reed "unprofessional" when he disapeared before a show to find some heroin? Was Jerry Lee Lewis "unprofessional" to burn the piano? Is it "unprofessional" to be passionate and spontaneous, aka the definition of rock'n'roll?
I suppose it's possible in theory to be a rocknroller that never enters into any human arrangement where a degree of professionalism is essential for the arrangement to work. But not in practice though. Rocknrollers want it all. They're arsehole fantasists.
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
France
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Posted - 02/11/2014 : 09:51:09
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"It's funny with me because I don't even really know a Pixies lyric. I may know a few Pixies lyrics. I've been in the band since its inception. I've recorded and I've played thousands of shows, and I still don't know the lyrics. And I'm not kidding. It's something that even when I was a kid, or music I listen to now, I don't really pay attention to the lyrical content. It's more the melody that they're singing is what I like about it.
There may be key things once in a while, and I know phrases that lead me into stuff. The other day we were rehearsing "Is She Weird," and Charles asked me, "Can you sing the chorus?" And I actually asked him, "What's the chorus?" Paz looked at me like, "What?!" She'd never heard that. He had to repeat it to me, and she was just laughing her ass off. I've been in the band over twenty years and I don't even know the chorus."
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2014 : 11:31:10
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Originally posted by sdon
"It's funny with me because I don't even really know a Pixies lyric. I may know a few Pixies lyrics. I've been in the band since its inception. I've recorded and I've played thousands of shows, and I still don't know the lyrics. And I'm not kidding. It's something that even when I was a kid, or music I listen to now, I don't really pay attention to the lyrical content. It's more the melody that they're singing is what I like about it.
There may be key things once in a while, and I know phrases that lead me into stuff. The other day we were rehearsing "Is She Weird," and Charles asked me, "Can you sing the chorus?" And I actually asked him, "What's the chorus?" Paz looked at me like, "What?!" She'd never heard that. He had to repeat it to me, and she was just laughing her ass off. I've been in the band over twenty years and I don't even know the chorus."
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That is a pretty comical situation. How could he not know? Haha. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2014 : 14:34:46
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Jesus Christ. I don't see anything particularly noteworthy about the situation. This kind of shit happens all the time. Is it a gender thing? If these were male bassists would everyone be so up in arms? It's just shit that happens in bands.
"A word to the wise is infuriating." |
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cptnpasty
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Posted - 02/11/2014 : 21:37:43
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[quote]Originally posted by johnnyribcage
Jesus Christ. I don't see anything particularly noteworthy about the situation. This kind of shit happens all the time. Is it a gender thing? If these were male bassists would everyone be so up in arms? It's just shit that happens in bands.
This.
I come on this site pretty much daily to sniff around after any news that might have slipped out or something like that - some youtube link to a great performance or maybe even a fun conversation on a particular song and all I've seen recently is all this nonsense.
A lot of the sniping seems to lament the fact that the Pixies have become some kind of corporate brand and at the same time criticise their 'unprofessional' behaviour. That doesn't even make sense.
I don't normally do nostalgia but all this shit makes me want it to be 1988 again - it would never even have occurred to me, in those days, that a rock musician should be 'professional' in any way, or that my opinion in relation to personnel changes counted for shit, in any way whatsoever.
If the next Pixies record rocks, great. If it doesn't, shame. Period.
Jesus.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 02/11/2014 : 22:50:13
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EXCLUSIVE PICTURE OF THE LATEST PIXIES BOARD MEETING!
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