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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 12/12/2013 : 19:15:34
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EPs seem fine during the couple years between LPs; it's cool, a nice little sample to tide us over. But there's no way an EP would be satisfying after a twenty plus year gap between records. Sure, as a strategy, I can understand why this path was chosen, but it makes sense that some people are frustrated. The bass player situation just exacerbates it. Mainly for people who post on message boards, i reckon.
I don't really care about reviews (though I can enjoy reading them) but perhaps there would have been more positive ones if there'd been twelve to fifteen songs to consider versus five (counting Bagboy). These four (five) songs had quite a lot of weight to carry.
Then again, they could've released the Pixies Teenager of the Year and still been ripped apart by critics.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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eroticvultcha
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Posted - 12/13/2013 : 07:54:58
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Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm
Then again, they could've released the Pixies Teenager of the Year
I would sell my first born son to hear that... |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/13/2013 : 12:06:59
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Beyonce releases a visual album today.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153655829445601&set=vb.28940545600&type=2&theater
This video is full of quotes about albums, singles, videos, a body of work vs hype.
The album format is as vital as it was ten years ago.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
wow, there you go. that's incredible. it's more or less what the pixies are attempting, but she just dumped it all in one go. i read she sold 80,000 records last night. |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/13/2013 : 12:13:56
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Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm
EPs seem fine during the couple years between LPs; it's cool, a nice little sample to tide us over. But there's no way an EP would be satisfying after a twenty plus year gap between records. Sure, as a strategy, I can understand why this path was chosen, but it makes sense that some people are frustrated. The bass player situation just exacerbates it. Mainly for people who post on message boards, i reckon.
I don't really care about reviews (though I can enjoy reading them) but perhaps there would have been more positive ones if there'd been twelve to fifteen songs to consider versus five (counting Bagboy). These four (five) songs had quite a lot of weight to carry.
Then again, they could've released the Pixies Teenager of the Year and still been ripped apart by critics.
i doubt it. i don't think the pixies have it that bad... unfortunately we can only deal in hypotheticals for the time being, but as you said, those five songs had a lot of weight to carry, and beyond that, they just weren't their strongest offerings.
why they didn't lead with four, identifiably catchy pixies songs is anyones guess. i guarantee the critics will be more favorable to a song like greens and blues or classic masher.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/13/2013 : 13:32:09
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/13/2013 : 14:38:23
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| true, but the pixies are basically the biggest cult/indie band going. bagboy racked up a mill views in a week or two. that's very solid. for comparison, indie cindy doesn't even have half of that after four months. they had a shit load of coverage for bagboy that didn't crossover. as i said, i believe they'll be releasing to diminishing returns now. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/13/2013 : 17:13:40
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| It's not even close. Biggest indie/cult band ain't what you make it to be. Beyonce basically did what Pixies did with EP-1. But she's Beyonce. |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/13/2013 : 17:48:03
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It's not even close. Biggest indie/cult band ain't what you make it to be. Beyonce basically did what Pixies did with EP-1. But she's Beyonce.
what? i think you're misunderstanding my posts. the pixies are wildly successful as an indie band- they're playing 2000-3000 capacity venues on a sold out international tour and racked up a million youtube views for their comeback single in days, but i'm not under the impression they'd have sold 80 000 records over night. they'd have done really healthy numbers relative to their size though-- especially when you consider their big advantage was the lack of new material. with the release of bagboy that bridge was crossed and it's likely a game of diminishing returns (as you can see in the video viewership).
the point of the EPs for the pixies is maintaining interest over a period of time. i'm really curious to see how the first video from EP2 performs. they'll for sure sell out their 5000 vinyl copies in a day.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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895 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 18:39:48
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I agree with most of that, it just felt like someone was using Beyonce releasing a suprise ALBUM as some verification that the Pixies could've/should've done the same. They didnt, let's get over it. Bottomline for me is that I like EP-1 still, and just want them to release the next one soon. Was really thinking it made sense to be released on Dec 1st, but here we are waiting. I liked the release strategy fine until this past 2 weeks. Now I'm restless.
And I do think it reflects poorly on the Pixies that the Kim situation was handled the way it was. It's a shame. I didn't have much feeling for her one way or another. Just liked the notion of settling with a lineup and moving forward.
I think someone mentioned that Joey wanted Paz early on. Can someone confirm this? |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/13/2013 : 19:40:44
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We lose sight of this here, but there's a whole universe of Pixies fans who don't care at all about the bass player situation and who barely even know that they have new music out. What IBreed said above about how some people online take these EP-1 videos as brand new songs rings true.
My girlfriend and I are seeing the Pixies in February with another couple, friends of hers, who are really excited to see the band. We were talking about the Pixies and I said something like "Have you heard the new record? It's controversial, but I think it's really good."
Neither of them even knew that they had new music out.
I don't think it's because of the "EP format" or whatever... because EP-1 got TONS of press. Any website or news source that covers "indie rock" and whatnot covered EP-1.
I think there's a big audience that genuinely doesn't care if the Pixies put out new music. Those old records are still being passed down to ever younger audiences (people too young to have caught the 2004 reunion tour!) and then are old fuckers (people my age and up; I'm 37) who mostly want their nostalgia buzz.
If you ask me, THAT'S the challenge that the band faces. It's not making music that lives up to Doolittle; it's making music that gets those people above to care about it.
(Now, me, I don't give a shit about that at all. I just want to hear Frank's new songs, don't care what name it's released under. I listened to Show Me Your Tears in the car tonight and was floored by it, AGAIN. He's a great songwriter and I'll be following him until one of us is dead. That's where I stand.)
IBreed's comment about the video-a-month strategy was observant, I think. When you get right down to it, Youtube might be the #1 way that people today hear new, under-the-radar music. I don't know about y'all, but when I'm intrigued by a band that I've never heard, I go straight to Youtube and check out some clips.
In any case, I think the Pixies will put out a proper LP some time. After all, Frank has said the Pixies are his main project now... and he writes a lot of songs. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 12/14/2013 : 01:10:42
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Edited by - Carl on 12/14/2013 01:11:08 |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 12/14/2013 : 03:05:20
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Originally posted by Jason
We lose sight of this here, but there's a whole universe of Pixies fans who don't care at all about the bass player situation and who barely even know that they have new music out. What IBreed said above about how some people online take these EP-1 videos as brand new songs rings true.
My girlfriend and I are seeing the Pixies in February with another couple, friends of hers, who are really excited to see the band. We were talking about the Pixies and I said something like "Have you heard the new record? It's controversial, but I think it's really good."
Neither of them even knew that they had new music out.
I don't think it's because of the "EP format" or whatever... because EP-1 got TONS of press. Any website or news source that covers "indie rock" and whatnot covered EP-1.
I think there's a big audience that genuinely doesn't care if the Pixies put out new music. Those old records are still being passed down to ever younger audiences (people too young to have caught the 2004 reunion tour!) and then are old fuckers (people my age and up; I'm 37) who mostly want their nostalgia buzz.
If you ask me, THAT'S the challenge that the band faces. It's not making music that lives up to Doolittle; it's making music that gets those people above to care about it.
(Now, me, I don't give a shit about that at all. I just want to hear Frank's new songs, don't care what name it's released under. I listened to Show Me Your Tears in the car tonight and was floored by it, AGAIN. He's a great songwriter and I'll be following him until one of us is dead. That's where I stand.)
IBreed's comment about the video-a-month strategy was observant, I think. When you get right down to it, Youtube might be the #1 way that people today hear new, under-the-radar music. I don't know about y'all, but when I'm intrigued by a band that I've never heard, I go straight to Youtube and check out some clips.
In any case, I think the Pixies will put out a proper LP some time. After all, Frank has said the Pixies are his main project now... and he writes a lot of songs.
Nailed it again.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6288 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 09:00:29
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Natenate101, I posted the news about Beyonce in my endless battle against the idea that the album is a dead medium.
Even the cd isn't dead. Beyonce will release it all on compact disc soon.Accordin to Sony.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/14/2013 : 09:11:04
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Natenate101, I posted the news about Beyonce in my endless battle against the idea that the album is a dead medium.
Even the cd isn't dead. Beyonce will release it all on compact disc soon.Accordin to Sony.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Yeah but its neither dead nor alive and thriving. Its in the middle, works for some and not others. I love and prefer albums, but can see why spme wouldnt feel its the best approach these days. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/14/2013 : 11:30:45
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I can see that too, but don't point to your smartphone and say 'that's the way people listen to music these days' (or something like that).
People, especially pixies fans, are willing to hear an album. If you want to release ep's, fine, but don't make it seem like you had to because the public forces you.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/14/2013 : 18:12:14
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I can see that too, but don't point to your smartphone and say 'that's the way people listen to music these days' (or something like that).
People, especially pixies fans, are willing to hear an album. If you want to release ep's, fine, but don't make it seem like you had to because the public forces you.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Agree, they aren't forced and it isn't the only viable option. I think their manager sold them on the idea, but that's not to say it hasn't and won't work. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/14/2013 : 21:08:33
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I think it works fine, I'm more than happy with my vinyl. BF has been into the idea of EP's since the Bossanova days. I wish that THAT was the reason behind this.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/14/2013 : 21:10:11
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Various interviews I read a long time ago were about BF wanted to start a singles club and release a compilation as a record every year.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 12/17/2013 : 06:39:40
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can we redirect the discussion to how Kim S is kinda hot? I don't think that's really been covered here. at least not formally
 green star member since 2006. smb? |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6288 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2013 : 07:57:59
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Not in this thread, but that was well known opinion last september
I like her style
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/17/2013 : 08:05:19
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Various interviews I read a long time ago were about BF wanted to start a singles club and release a compilation as a record every year.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
That would be awesome. Especially if he was recording and writing on the go. |
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Kim S. was fired from Pixies
