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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10/09/2013 : 06:26:30
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lucmove:
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This forum could use a dissenting voice. There's too many fanbois here.
There are plenty, not just on this topic but many others going back years. Hardly a 'fanboi' forum imo.
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I think FB will be retiring soon. He seems tired.
Really? He seems as wired, energetic and 'in the moment' as he's ever been to me. Curiously, he also appears to look more youthful than he did say 10 years ago.
Discoking:
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he doesn't really care about how it's released. but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about the music itself. how would you come to such a conclusion?
Quite.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/09/2013 : 08:32:07
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I never liked COR, remember?
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2013 : 13:12:41
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One thing to point out: the only problem with not caring about the release media is that physical CDs still comprise the majority of music sales.
2012 total albums sold (all formats, CD, LP, Digital, etc): 316 Million
2012 total CD albums sold: 193 Million
That's 61% of all albums sold just last year on CD. That's a lot of sales left on the table. Granted, I don't know the dynamics of how those numbers break out among rap and pop and shit and indie bands.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20130104005149/en/Nielsen-Company-Billboard’s-2012-Music-Industry-Report
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cptnpasty
- FB Fan -
Spain
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Posted - 10/09/2013 : 19:45:30
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Originally posted by natenate101
LOL, comical stuff. None of this is as serious as you all are making it.
this.
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kurtblack
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 07:10:14
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Originally posted by lucmove
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Sigh...
I know many of you are sick of me criticizing your demigod, but I'm gonna take a page from your own book and not care, thus still criticize him anyway. Apparently, not caring is valued pretty high around here.
I can see how a rock'n'roll artist that doesn't care may come across as very macho, or authentic, or aloof, or independent, or sovereign, or whatever positive adjective you like to assign to such behavior, but I find it difficult to care about an artist who doesn't care.
He doesn't care, you say.
Well, it's his work. If HE doesn't care, then why the fuck should anybody else care at all?
I think criticism in that aspect should be taken very seriously. From recent interviews and statements, it has become clear that the only reason FBF has been cranking out new songs is to mitigate some kind of embarrassment that had been associated with the Pixies' playing nothing but old songs over the last nine years. The demigod has said, "If we're going to keep touring, we'll have to have new songs." I agree wholeheartedly, but not in such a cynical, sole-purpose manner. An artist is supposed to have something to say, and convey that in a very special way that relatively few people can. This latest batch of songs is definitely not impressive, and the artist keeps going around telling everyone that he doesn't care.
He doesn't care.
Then that is not art, that's a mundane, utilitarian stopgap for strictly business purposes. I think criticism in that aspect should be taken very seriously because we're witnessing an ugly metamorphosis: the man who used to be all killer is becoming all filler. And what's worse: he doesn't care.
This new careless attitude is having a nasty effect on me. When first rumors came up that the Pixies would have new songs, many forum members said they wished that would never happen. They were afraid the new songs would tarnish the otherwise spotless existing canon. I always disagreed, I thought that new songs just HAD to be good, and FBF would never disappoint. But I am beginning to think that those naysayers were right. I can stand a bad period in an artist's arch, but this whole "I don't care" business really rubs me the wrong way. I'm sure that working with Kim Deal can be a major pain in the ass, but I can't help admiring her and rooting for her when I read that she spends a lot of time trying to get the most impossibly perfect sound quality. That is someone who may be a little crazy, but look, she cares. I want to care about someone who cares. I want to care about someone who never forgets that the oeuvre is going to be lingering for an indefinite amount of time, and may be assessed by people who aren't even born yet.
Many forum members here like to say that FBF can do whatever he wants. My ass he can. If he does something new or different with a purpose, okay, let's see what that is. But if he doesn't care, that's bad. Art is communication, and communication has to have two ends. If you don't care about the other end, then why even try to make communication? Not caring is bullshit, I don't buy it, and if you think that not caring is so cool, don't be angry when critics pan whatever the demigod is doing without caring.
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Originally posted by lucmove
3) I've been criticizing (recurring sarcasm) because I think I should. I should because that's how I honestly feel and because this forum really could use a dissenting voice. There's too many fanbois here. There's a bit too much faith in stuff that is said in interviews and taken as final truth, without any concern about whether it's true or just public relations. I think there should be more questioning, more challenging, more suspicion. If nobody wants to do that, fine, let me do it.
Jesus Christ. Your posts are embarrassing.
You're trying really hard to come off as intelligent but you have one tiny problem. Apparently you have poor reading comprehension. Charles clearly said that he didn't care HOW people heard their new music. You somehow twisted that into him not caring about everything under the god damned sun as if he was some sulking 13 year-old goth chick trying to act cool.
Do you know what's worse than a "fanboi" who is blinded by his passion and emotions? A self-important wannabe intelluctual blowhard who wants to be a contrarian so badly that he makes a fool out of himself by completely misreading something that a kindergartner could understand.
Drop the Martyr for Truth bullshit. Even if this was some "fanboi" forum where no one ever uttered a critical word, you wouldn't be up the task of offering a sane rational voice.
Quit embarrassing yourself.
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 09:45:24
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PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE FRANK AND THE PIXIES' NEW MUSIC:
No one is trying to get you to leave here. Don't pretend to be persecuted. You're not.
Some people disagree with you. Some people disagree with me, too. I'm cool. |
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lucmove
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 09:46:31
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Originally posted by kurtblack
You're trying really hard to come off as intelligent but you have one tiny problem. Apparently you have poor reading comprehension. Charles clearly said that he didn't care HOW people heard their new music. You somehow twisted that into him not caring about everything under the god damned sun as if he was some sulking 13 year-old goth chick trying to act cool.
Nah. My point still stands. He's been saying he doesn't care about this or that for some time, and many vocal fans here like to endorse that attitude.
And putting out EPs, not caring about the unit of a album, putting songs into alphabetical order, that is something from someone who doesn't care. An album leaves an impression for its whole, in which he has no interest. He just wants a bunch of disconnected new songs to justify touring. There is no unit, no concept, no statement, no feeling, no message. The blandness of the latest songs evidence this whole "I don't care" situation.
Fanboi. 
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pixie punk
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 10:18:37
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Charles said during the original reunion that he understood the marketability of the original lineup and I'm really glad it paid off for all of them as musicians and ultimately friends. I traveled from Puerto Rico and was really happy to buy lots of merch.They care about their families 1st and we all come 2nd to their personal decisions as a band which really is none of our business.I'm very happy the shows are Sold Out All Over The World
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 11:04:52
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On Frank "not caring":
I like a lot of music. I like a lot of old jazz. 1920s, 30s, 40s, stuff. Duke Ellington, Fats Waller, Django Reinhardt, Art Tatum. I like a lot of very, very old country music. Hank Williams, Jimmie Rodgers, Sons of the Pioneers.
None of those recordings were ever made for "an album". Albums didn't exist. They were just songs. They existed as songs performed live and, at some point, recorded and pressed onto 78 shellac records, one song per side, 10" in size (incidentally, that's the same size as the Pixies' EP 1). 40+-minute album "statements" are cool, too, but there's nothing inherently wrong with that old way.
Frank is a rock guy, but he's also into that traditional music. Read some interviews with him. Along with his Beatles-Stones-Dylan-Iggy, Frank digs old, old, ancient blues records and some trad jazz. Frank has a very broad appreciation for music. When he picks up a guitar, he knows that it's a Spanish instrument that dates back hundreds of years (see his Pistolero press release).
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lucmove
- FB Fan -
Brazil
116 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2013 : 12:14:22
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Good points, Jason.
However,
I still can't get over the fact that his past records, Pixies or solo, usually have their own distinctive character. Pretty much everyone agrees that Surfer Rosa was clearly different from Doolittle, which was different from Bossanova, which was different from TLM. Fine. But, within each individual album, the songs belonged in it. The same can be said of most of his solo albums. You could love it or hate it, but you could see very clearly what FBF was up to, where he was standing.
Notable exceptions: Oddballs, because it is a compilation of B-sides (isn't it?), Christmass (another compilation) and Abbabubba (yet another compilation). I love Oddballs because all songs are great, but I dislike Christmass and Abbabubba. I think they're really boring. Many people also view NSE as a compilation. I think it makes sense. Either way, I think NSE is good, but not impressive.
Now, EP1 is new material but it's a mishmash, there is no unifying character. And most of it is disappointing to many.
One could argue that he stopped caring about a unifying character long before, around the time of Abbabubba. Well, I think his last great, I mean GREAT material was Bluefinger. See where I'm going with this?
I've been disappointed ever since Bluefinger. Even the Nashville era was better than his recent output. It took me a while to accept the Nashville records simply because it didn't sound like him. Who IS this guy??? But I always thought those songs were good. The character was there, very clear.
My point with all this is that the lack of a theme, concept or at least some kind of distinctive character indicates an artist that doesn't really have much to say/express. Sure, he loves music and playin' them tunes, but he no longer has that blessed "itch" to get something across. The songs now are random. Hence this coincidence of recent albums (or EP) that have no character and a string of disappointing songs.
Your comparison with the old times is fair and lucid, but I think it's inopportune. Let's suppose you make a cake without a certain usual ingredient. It's still food, you can eat it, but will it taste as good? Alt rock wants innovation, breakthrough, some underlying meaning or insight expressed in some novel or otherwise exciting way. If you take that out, it's still music, you can listen, you can dance or bob your head, but the list of ingredients becomes incomplete for the genre.
Just my opinion, of course, but I doubt I'm alone in this. I think music critics think the same way. I like that way of thinking. It puts a lot of pressure on the artist, but it's a privilege. I mean, nobody puts that kind of pressure on mediocre acts. Only the best of the best get the special treatment. I would love to give Charles a heavy pat on the back and yell, "Enjoy the pressure, pal! You deserrrrrve it!" (grin)
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2013 : 14:07:57
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Lucmove isn't that far off. Unfortunately, it has been said they went into the recording studio with basically nothing and knocked out an albums worth of material. Most of the time, this will not cut it, and will result in a album that has hints of greatness, but is never realized.
This came through loud and clear with some of franks songs as of late. I just wish he would go back to his roots and take more time to come up with something. Take for instance Norton's demands on Doolittle. That thing went through multiple phases of demos before he let them record it. And it showed. |
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kurtblack
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2013 : 14:58:11
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Originally posted by lucmove
Nah. My point still stands.
HILARIOUS. Your entire diatribe was based on your incorrect reading of a quote and yet in your pathetic mind, somehow you're still correct. You can't be more illogical and irrational than that.
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Originally posted by lucmove
He's been saying he doesn't care about this or that for some time, and many vocal fans here like to endorse that attitude.
Oh, he's been saying he doesn't care "about this and that for some time"? This and that? For some time? CAN YOU BE MORE VAGUE?
If Charles has been saying he doesn't care about "this and that for some time" I'm sure you'll have no trouble linking to, say, 10 articles or interviews where he says he doesn't care about "this and that". Let us see the articles and interviews that support your previous "he doesn't care" rant.
But you know what? I'm going to go out on a limb and bet that you won't. You won't because you can't. You can't because you're wrong and you're desperately pulling more BS out of your idiotic ass.
You obviously lack the self-awareness to realize when you've made a fool out of yourself.
Pretend otherwise all that you want. The people that you were so desperately trying to condescend to here can see you for what you are.
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Originally posted by lucmove
Fanboi.
I'm not a "fanboi".
I'm the guy who just spanked your ass and rubbed your nose in the big pile of BS that you spewed here. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 15:06:35
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Originally posted by The Champ
Lucmove isn't that far off. Unfortunately, it has been said they went into the recording studio with basically nothing and knocked out an albums worth of material. Most of the time, this will not cut it, and will result in a album that has hints of greatness, but is never realized.
This came through loud and clear with some of franks songs as of late. I just wish he would go back to his roots and take more time to come up with something. Take for instance Norton's demands on Doolittle. That thing went through multiple phases of demos before he let them record it. And it showed.
Where was it said they went in with nothing? Sounded like BF had demos built up over a few years, some worked on already with Joey.
Look, the angst ain't really there anymore and live is short. Maybe they wanted to knock.out some tunes, shake of the Pixies rust. They likely didn't plan EP-1 as a masterpiece out of the gate. Seems like an opening salvo, or test run for what lies ahead. Let em live. |
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lucmove
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 16:26:13
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Originally posted by kurtblack
I'm not a "fanboi".
I'm the guy who just spanked your ass and rubbed your nose in the big pile of BS that you spewed here.
Hardly. You're just very loud and rude, and that doesn't make you right. I exposed my reasoning and you simply ignored everything I said. Whatever.
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kurtblack
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 18:14:39
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Originally posted by lucmove
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Originally posted by kurtblack
I'm not a "fanboi".
I'm the guy who just spanked your ass and rubbed your nose in the big pile of BS that you spewed here.
Hardly. You're just very loud and rude, and that doesn't make you right. I exposed my reasoning and you simply ignored everything I said. Whatever.
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Hardly? You really are an idiot aren't you?
You were wrong about what Charles said in The Daily Beast interview... and you won't acknowledge it.
You tried sweeping that under the rug, WOULD NOT ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG, and then tried claiming that Charles has been saying he doesn't care "about this and that for some time".
So where's your proof? I asked for links to 10 articles or interviews. It's simple. Show me that you're right. Show me that I'm wrong.
As I predicted, YOU COULDN'T DO IT. You couldn't because YOU'RE WRONG. You made it up. You pulled it out of your stupid ass... and you won't acknowledge it.
Being loud and rude doesn't make me right. You being so obviously and COMPLETELY WRONG makes me right.
And don't pretend that somehow you "exposed" your reasoning. You keep trying to change what your so-called "reasoning" is based on. First it was based on The Daily Beast interview, than it was based on some vague "this and that" from other interviews (which obviously don't exist). And by the way, I know you desperately, desperately, want to sound intelligent but no one would use "exposed" in the sentence as, "I exposed my reasoning".
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 19:21:00
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Consider this, I don't think his first language is English. As a second language he speaks it pretty fucking good so it's very fucking rude to pick on his 'reading comprehension'. Granted he sounded a bit know-it-ally initially but now he seems to be making a more respectful attempt at making himself understood but you haven't noticed cos he's gotten under your skin. You better quit being so angry now cos you're the one who's sounding more like the asshole. Peace.
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
USA
637 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2013 : 21:17:56
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lucmove
- FB Fan -
Brazil
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 22:25:17
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Originally posted by kurtblack
So where's your proof? I asked for links to 10 articles or interviews. It's simple.
No, it's not simple. 10 links is too tall an order. I will look for two or three when I am in the mood. Until then, you may consider some anger management. I have no reason to be in a hurry and I don't live by xkcd.com/386.
By the way...
https://www.google.com.br/search?q=%22I+exposed+my+reasoning%22
(four hits for me; results may vary)
http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22I+exposed+my+reasoning%22
(two hits not counting this very thread, already there)
Variations not included: reason, reasons, motive, views, logic etc. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 10/11/2013 : 02:03:53
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Originally posted by natenate101
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Originally posted by The Champ
Lucmove isn't that far off. Unfortunately, it has been said they went into the recording studio with basically nothing and knocked out an albums worth of material. Most of the time, this will not cut it, and will result in a album that has hints of greatness, but is never realized.
This came through loud and clear with some of franks songs as of late. I just wish he would go back to his roots and take more time to come up with something. Take for instance Norton's demands on Doolittle. That thing went through multiple phases of demos before he let them record it. And it showed.
Where was it said they went in with nothing? Sounded like BF had demos built up over a few years, some worked on already with Joey.
Look, the angst ain't really there anymore and live is short. Maybe they wanted to knock.out some tunes, shake of the Pixies rust. They likely didn't plan EP-1 as a masterpiece out of the gate. Seems like an opening salvo, or test run for what lies ahead. Let em live.
Dave said it in an interview from a month or two ago. I don't remember which one. He also said that it worked out for them, so we will see. I like the new songs though. |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 10/11/2013 : 03:44:41
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Originally posted by lucmove
Then that is not art, that's a mundane, utilitarian stopgap for strictly business purposes. I think criticism in that aspect should be taken very seriously because we're witnessing an ugly metamorphosis: the man who used to be all killer is becoming all filler. And what's worse: he doesn't care.
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I don't get how you can question his credibility without making reference to say, http://amherststuckists.com/
It's not uncommon for artists of his age to lean towards less sensational forms of making art. I think he'd rather you seek him out than give you a blow-by-blow account of where he's at as an "artist", just like any ordinary fella.
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hammerhands
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/11/2013 : 09:10:20
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most of the lyrics on TOTY were written in a day or two cuz he was having writers block and the fellas started making their own lyrics (which got him writing).
Monkey Gone To Heaven chorus was just filler words that he ended up keeping.
lucmove, you seriously are putting too much into this. the guy's genius is that this stuff comes fairly effortlessly. i love it. many do. if you don't, that's fine. but stop making it his fault that you aren't buying what he's selling (at a very affordable price).
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/11/2013 : 19:36:27
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wow. what's with youse?! some of you think too much
"They say that the left side of the brain controls the right
They say that the right side has to work hard all night
Maybe I think too much for my own good. Some people say so
Other people say "no. no, The fact is you dont think
As much as you should" Lyrics by the great PAUL SIMON |
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
Portugal
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 00:59:53
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Lucmove, there's definitely some things I agree with you, but I think you're contradicting yourself on some things. You say that these songs sound like a mishmash, no unifying theme, and that a unifying theme is something that has always elevated FB's best albums to greatness. Yet, you would like the Pixies to have released an album with these same mishmash songs (and the rest that was recorded, presumably). Or maybe just not release anything and call it quits.
That doesn't make sense, as they would be releasing songs that have been demos for years, others that were written in Wales. Magdalena 318 probably was written after the Wales sessions (I'm guessing here, of course). The album would always still be a mishmash of songs, not like the (to my amazement) beloved new MBV album, that besides being in the works for years and years and years, has also the advantage of their signature sound making everything they do sound cohesive.
The unifying theme of the new Pixies songs is wanting to release new music with the other three members (now two, unfortunately) and ending the old-hits parade. For me that's the best thing FB could have done. He now has by his side David Lovering, which is a fine drummer, and one of the best lead guitarists in the world. I would rather take what they come up with than hear Frank release more albums like NSE. Yes, releasing songs under the Pixies name carries an enormous weight, but fuck that, let the critics bitch and moan about it, just let me hear the new stuff Frank comes up with, having the other two guys by his side.
It's fine that some people don't like the new songs, I for one like them and don't find them disappointing at all (well, maybe Another Toe could have had more ideas put into it, but the chorus is still very catchy), even if I don't think they're the best thing he's come up with (there's no Threshold Apprehension-quality to the five songs I've heard, for example). But I'm happy that there's new music from the band and can't wait for more: the release of the other EPs and maybe future new albums. I do still hate the idea of not having an albums worth of songs to listen and dissect and geek-out to, though (screw you, new manager).
Regarding your love for Bluefinger (which I also share), didn't he write and record that album in a week or something? I remember reading something to that extent in an FB interview. And TOTY, which many consider his best solo album, has no unifying theme or character at all, it's not trying to say or express anything, it's just a roller coaster of brilliant song after brilliant song. The Golem, of course, has a unifying theme, I love those songs, you don't seem to respond to them favorably. So I guess the muse factor and inspiration of the moment have always been an huge part of FB's genius and style, rather than what he's been trying to "say" of "express" throughout his career. If you like artistic Statements and Music Opus of great magnitude, maybe you're barking at the wrong tree when it comes to Frank Black. |
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blckfrncs
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Luxembourg
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 01:33:40
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Interesting thread. Seems like there may be some misunderstandings about things I have said or allegedly said. I'm happy to clarify. Sometimes music press quotes incorrectly, sometimes readers read the correct quote, but also misunderstand. Sometimes the misunderstanding comes from a prexisting notion (by the journo or the readers) or a well circulated rumor. Also, keep in mind, that interviews are very casual conversations that take place over the telephone , or in noisy places; they are affected by personality chemistries , amount of sleep, moods, coffee, drugs, alcohol, stress, concerns about being misquoted; I could go on for a couple of days here. I used to be annoyed by being misquoted or misunderstood, but I accept this now as one of those things that happens to anyone who does a lot of interviews.
The greatest problem with music interviews is that the format does not usually have verbatim questions and answers. Usually the entire question is not repeated at all (same true for the response); and you can't expect that an interview will be printed this way; it's too long. An interesting thing also is that the interviewer will frequently have a very long prelude to the actual question; this is partly conversational, but also frequently this prelude contains so much presumption, assumption and gumption that the artist has to begin to respond to "questions" that are multilayered and LOADED. Fast forward to my extracted, partial, out of context response and you have a garden variety misunderstanding. But that's ok I guess. Some artists won't even do interviews, and I can certainly understand why.
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Mac E. Doobage
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 01:39:33
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 02:44:38
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You understand that some people will misquote above post, right?
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 03:09:21
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Hi Frank! Thanks for stopping by! It is always good to be reminded of the process and the source.
“Don't believe everything you read on the internet.” - Abraham Lincoln
As an avid music fan I really enjoy reading and viewing the interviews. I particularly enjoyed the Wall Street Journal interview and it’s nice hearing from Joey and Dave as well.
I will actually wander to the “questions balck francis for 2013” thread and post a few questions.
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20753
Happy touring!
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 03:25:00
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I'm interested to see if the response to that is as hardcore as the earlier stuff...
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 08:43:01
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Fucking classic.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 09:12:40
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Fucking classic.
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 12:57:50
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...."I had a childhood that was mercifully brief
I grew up in the state of disbelief
Started to THINK TOO MUCH when I was 12, going on 13
Me and the girls from St. Augustine, up in the mezzanine
Thinking about God, yeah!"
Maybe I THINK TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 12:59:50
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| Just enjoy the music, yo! turn off ur mind, relax and float down streammmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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lucmove
- FB Fan -
Brazil
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 14:09:44
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Originally posted by trobrianders
I don't get how you can question his credibility without making reference to say, http://amherststuckists.com/
I had no idea that site existed. I had only seen one of Charles' paintings so far. Either way, I don't really understand what you mean. If you care to elaborate...
I kind of like his paintings, but not much. Painting is not my cup of tea anyway. I've always said: I don't make music, but I know good music from bad music when I hear it. Sadly, I suppose I can't say the same about paintings. I do have favorite painters and paintings, but museums and galleries are full of paintings that I hate or can't even begin to understand. One notable example: Barnett Newman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_Newman
43 MILLION $$$ for that??? Why?!!!
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
lucmove, you seriously are putting too much into this. the guy's genius is that this stuff comes fairly effortlessly. i love it. many do. if you don't, that's fine. but stop making it his fault that you aren't buying what he's selling (at a very affordable price).
I wasn't trying to "make it his fault." I have been speculating that he is tired, which makes sense in light of how much he's done already. Another theory: maybe he is not very interested, which is pretty normal given his age, and that he is now a lot older, married, has kids etc. Maybe he is doing this Pixies thing now because he knows he won't be able to do it later, but he isn't really really into it.
Hey, I didn't even realize he painted so much. That has to divide his attention somewhat.
Yet another theory: he was single when he made his best stuff, but now he is married and the stuff isn't so good anymore. There, I blame his wife. Women, drugs and gambling never fail to cause a man damage.
Actually, the paragraph above is a joke, but may be more serious than anything else...
Show of hands: how many of you here write, compose or create anything? I dare propose the following: put myself in FBF's shoes. You can do that, too. Let's go.
I write sometimes and I know what inspiration is like. Several of you here pointed out that TOTY or Monkey Gone or something else was written in like one day or fifteen minutes. Well, some of my best material was written just like that, like lightning. Other material took longer due to a lot of polishing, but the real kernel of the idea and a sizeable portion of the whole idea struck me very quickly. That's inspiration.
There have been occasions when I was invited to some upcoming literature meeting and, damn it, I had nothing new to show. I felt pressured. People like my writings, I didn't want to disappoint them, so I would... force it out, like a mother trying to give birth or someone taking a dump - you choose. And I would tell myself, "You can do it, you've done this before, come on..." But that doesn't work. Inspiration is the boss, and she was taking a walk somewhere else. All parts of my own material that I really like came to me uninvited. There may be polishing later, but the real deal is beyond my control. It just jumps from the shades and assaults me.
I haven't written lately because I have been deeply involved in two projects (plus my day job) that have nothing to do with writing. My mind is therefore too focused, it can't wander off, I'm busy, and I have a girlfriend, etc. But then my girlfriend travels for a whole month. I am not amused. I am in fact a little pissed, I feel I am single again, I can't work well, I go out alone once or twice to get drunk and vent, and... who crosses my path all of a sudden? That's right, Ms. Inspiration. She is back. And I crank out one of the best texts of my life.
Becoming more relevant now: FBF is married, has FIVE kids. FIVE kids, folks. Do you understand how much time and energy those creatures can suck out of you? Remember when YOU were a kid? And let's not forget the wife. Come on. You gotta spend some time with the missus. And he has been painting. And he has written more songs than almost anybody in the world. Let me ask you this: is this surprising that Ms. Inspiration may not feel like visiting him as much anymore? Does Ms. Inspiration even look for the company of someone who is that busy? When does FBF ever get to let his clumsy thoughts wander off, to the point that he will ask where is mind is? Is it really far-fetched to speculate that he wrote the latest Pixies songs all by himself (Ms. Inspiration absent) while saying, "Come on, you can do it," because he is usually solo but this time there were people looking over his shoulder?
Look, I am a nerd at heart. I like to overthink (dont i?), I like to watch and analyze, I like to figure out how things work. One of such things is inspiration, the creative process, producing content, and what goes on behind the scenes of a true work of art. What was he/she thinking? How did that magnificent piece come out to life? What is the magic behind it? Nay, there is no magic. A true nerd does not believe in magic. I believe in science, in James Randy, in Penn and Teller, in peer review, there is no magic. I like to understand stuff so it can be engineered later. And now I wonder, what happened to FBF and why is his latest work so disappointing to me? I would hasten to look for answers in myself, I like to self dive, but I've been really enjoying other music, including comebacks. What is going on then?
Sorry if you don't like to analyze. Just skip my posts and move on. Freedom of expression, dudes.
Last, but not least:
- blckfrncs, thank you for your valuable input all the way from Luxembourg.
- kurtblack, you're in the back burner, I will get back to you when I have some more free time.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 14:17:54
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You like to be long winded and are prone to going off on odd tangents. Maybe time to start your own blog, get all this stuff out somewhere else? Might be healthy.
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