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TheScooper
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 Posted - 10/06/2013 : 09:31:30
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Per Pixies FB:
"HEY...Are you signed up to the list ? [mailing list] if not do so now....news coming tomorrow !"
EP2? Sweet baby butts I hope so.
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/06/2013 : 09:43:54
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| me too. i can't imagine they'd release a new EP so soon though. just from a business standpoint. |
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ChienAndalou22
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Posted - 10/06/2013 : 10:17:41
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| It's new as in the singular, which made me think it meant new music or something with a word missing. News is equally likely to be right though. |
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ChienAndalou22
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Posted - 10/06/2013 : 10:22:39
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| Then again, it's 'news' according to twitter. |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2491 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2013 : 10:28:28
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| US dates, probably. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2013 : 13:24:40
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Agree Ziggy, probably US tour dates. Same time though, I wouldn't be surprised to see them accelerate the EP release schedule given all the chatter about wanting to keep writing and recording, etc.
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
USA
637 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2013 : 13:28:06
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| Was there ever a true official release date for EP2? I feel like this band at this state is going to do whatever they want, whenever they want it. And that makes me excited. I'll try not to get my hopes up for EP2, but I really hope I wake up to new Pixies recordings in my inbox tomorrow :) (I'm guessing the EP will be Blue Eyed Hexe, Greens and Blues, Silver Snail and Magdalena 318...) |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2013 : 13:58:54
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Originally posted by yarbles
Was there ever a true official release date for EP2?
All I know is they were originally talking about something like 5 ep's over the course of 14-15 months or so. I've been saying all along that I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to do the unexpected (double album? lol - who knows). It's probably tour dates though
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2013 : 14:24:00
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for sure tour dates. i'd LOVE to be wrong, and hold me to it if i am, but no way will they put another EP up for sale so soon.
as i remember, the press release said something about several EPs over the next 15 months. i'd expect a four month buffer between each release, so they don't over saturate the market.
maybe it'll be tour dates and 1 new demo song, Bagboy style. prob not. |
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/06/2013 : 14:29:06
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| New dates and EP no doubt. I wish they'd just do albums again now that Kim "it takes me ten years to record an album" Deal is now only doing the Golden Oldies circuit playing 20 year old albums. I reckon they could squeeze one out every 6-8 months. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2013 : 18:21:39
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| I bet it's a third video for "Bagboy". |
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
USA
637 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2013 : 19:51:13
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| Is it tomorrow yet? |
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lucmove
- FB Fan -
Brazil
116 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2013 : 20:36:05
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Originally posted by yarbles
Was there ever a true official release date for EP2? I feel like this band at this state is going to do whatever they want, whenever they want it. And that makes me excited. I'll try not to get my hopes up for EP2, but I really hope I wake up to new Pixies recordings in my inbox tomorrow :) (I'm guessing the EP will be Blue Eyed Hexe, Greens and Blues, Silver Snail and Magdalena 318...)
You say this band is going to do whatever they want, but you believe EP2 will have four new tracks. What makes you think there will be four tracks? Nah. The four-track format is so July. Three-track is the new black.
I'm expecting one new song, plus Bag Boy live and Another Toe accoustic. And some great sleeve art, to make it special.
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 10/06/2013 : 22:00:58
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Originally posted by yarbles
I feel like this band at this state is going to do whatever they want, whenever they want it. And that makes me excited.
but then they said in an interview that they're releasing EPs instead of an album, because that's what the record label told them to do. they just went with it. that's not exactly the same as doing whatever they want.
they recorded it, and now it's out of their hands (i believe), and up to the record label to release it the way the record label thinks it's best.
this could very well be exactly what the band wants, but it does mean one shouldn't look at anything release-related as a specific band decision. you're overromanticising the whole process. they probably have very little to say about when the next EP comes out at this point.
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
USA
637 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2013 : 22:39:38
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I feel like if they didn't want to release their music in this format in this manner, they could change it. They agreed with their management yes, I imagine they are all on the same page.
I don't know anything the band is doing. Key word in my statement was "guessing." In any case, new music is coming sooner or later and I'm just excited it is. |
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BunsenH
= Cult of Ray =
296 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 01:10:04
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It's on the website. North American tour and a new video for... Andr Queen?!?
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BunsenH
= Cult of Ray =
296 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 02:43:48
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Originally posted by Kogi
Well, I love 'Andro Queen'.
But... what an awful video this is.
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
France
786 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 03:10:02
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horrendous vid
Bagboy videos were masterpieces in comparison
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McDutchie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
270 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 05:25:42
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 07:27:33
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Originally posted by McDutchie
Meh, I think the vid is cute and mildly entertaining.
i agree. it fits the spacey nature of the song. this and the second bagboy video are the only ones that did something complimentary with the song imo. |
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lucmove
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Brazil
116 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 18:22:18
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Hey, remember Monkey Gone to Heaven, Here Comes You Man and Velouria. Lame videos is nothing new in the history of the Pixies.
I won't even peek at this Andro Queen video. It's the only track I like in EP1 and I won't let a pesky video ruin it for me.
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 23:29:40
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Originally posted by yarbles
I feel like if they didn't want to release their music in this format in this manner, they could change it. They agreed with their management yes, I imagine they are all on the same page.
I don't know anything the band is doing. Key word in my statement was "guessing." In any case, new music is coming sooner or later and I'm just excited it is.
Yes, yes and yes.
The Pixies are not on a label. They're an independent band who calls their own shots. They're doing what they want. They have no reason to not do what they want. If they were opposed to the present plan, they could change it. The music business today is strange and unmapped territory. The band are navigating it as best as they can.
Best quote from Frank about the new Pixies records is from this interview:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/20/the-pixies-talk-about-their-reunion-new-music-and-a-missing-band-member.html
Will there be more EPs? Will there be an LP at some point? What form will all this new music take?
Thompson: You’re looking at the form right there. [Points to laptop and iPhone] That’s the form at the moment. And the only thing that’s defined about it is that it’s in the digital realm—that it’s being held on large servers around the world. As for how people experience it, that’s shifting around a lot. I don’t have an articulate vision of how people are going to hear this music. I don’t really care.
From what I gather from reading many statements from Frank over many years, when it comes to his music career, Frank wants:
a) to play live shows
b) to write and record new songs.
And, as he states above, he doesn't care how the hell you hear those songs. Hear them on an album. Hear them on a double album. Hear them on a bunch of EPs. Hear them as an occasional song released out into the ether and that isn't attached to any record (a la "Bagboy"). It doesn't matter to him.
Frank can write a song cycle when he wants ("Bluefinger", the "Golem" score), but, in his heart, Frank is more Hank Williams than he is Pete Townsend. He just knocks out songs and sends 'em out into the world. He rarely has "album statements" in mind.
Remember, this is a guy who has a self-released box set of five years of his career (the Catholics years) sequenced in alphabetical order waiting in the wings (hopefully, it comes out sometime in the next decade).
(NOTE: The Pixies' EP-1 is sequenced in alphabetical order.)
So, he writes songs, records them, plays them on stage, and leaves it others to get the headaches over how it all should be presented on record. They come up with ideas and he can approve or disapprove.
Like it or not, the Pixies ARE operating these days exactly how they want. |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 02:28:30
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still, the fact that they don't really care implies that no meaning should be attached to whatever decision is made about the next releases. there's a big chance the decision won't even have been made by the band. approved by them, ok, but likely while shrugging.
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2023 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 02:33:15
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Originally posted by Jason
a) to play live shows
b) to write and record new songs.
Sure but what I don't understand is why we don't get :
c) hear the songs that have been recorded !
It's even more ridiculous if no physical album is released, if the format of the moment is digital tracks, then that means no delay for us to hear them.
Yet we have to wait.
I might be dumb but I don't get it. |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1141 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 03:16:04
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Originally posted by Jason
The Pixies are not on a label. They're an independent band who calls their own shots.
fair enough. it's their management then that decides how the new songs are released.
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lucmove
- FB Fan -
Brazil
116 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 09:27:58
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Originally posted by Jason
(...)
And, as he states above, he doesn't care how the hell you hear those songs. Hear them on an album. Hear them on a double album. Hear them on a bunch of EPs. Hear them as an occasional song released out into the ether and that isn't attached to any record (a la "Bagboy"). It doesn't matter to him.
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So, he writes songs, records them, plays them on stage, and leaves it others to get the headaches over how it all should be presented on record. They come up with ideas and he can approve or disapprove.
Like it or not, the Pixies ARE operating these days exactly how they want.
Sigh...
I know many of you are sick of me criticizing your demigod, but I'm gonna take a page from your own book and not care, thus still criticize him anyway. Apparently, not caring is valued pretty high around here.
I can see how a rock'n'roll artist that doesn't care may come across as very macho, or authentic, or aloof, or independent, or sovereign, or whatever positive adjective you like to assign to such behavior, but I find it difficult to care about an artist who doesn't care.
He doesn't care, you say.
Well, it's his work. If HE doesn't care, then why the fuck should anybody else care at all?
I think criticism in that aspect should be taken very seriously. From recent interviews and statements, it has become clear that the only reason FBF has been cranking out new songs is to mitigate some kind of embarrassment that had been associated with the Pixies' playing nothing but old songs over the last nine years. The demigod has said, "If we're going to keep touring, we'll have to have new songs." I agree wholeheartedly, but not in such a cynical, sole-purpose manner. An artist is supposed to have something to say, and convey that in a very special way that relatively few people can. This latest batch of songs is definitely not impressive, and the artist keeps going around telling everyone that he doesn't care.
He doesn't care.
Then that is not art, that's a mundane, utilitarian stopgap for strictly business purposes. I think criticism in that aspect should be taken very seriously because we're witnessing an ugly metamorphosis: the man who used to be all killer is becoming all filler. And what's worse: he doesn't care.
This new careless attitude is having a nasty effect on me. When first rumors came up that the Pixies would have new songs, many forum members said they wished that would never happen. They were afraid the new songs would tarnish the otherwise spotless existing canon. I always disagreed, I thought that new songs just HAD to be good, and FBF would never disappoint. But I am beginning to think that those naysayers were right. I can stand a bad period in an artist's arch, but this whole "I don't care" business really rubs me the wrong way. I'm sure that working with Kim Deal can be a major pain in the ass, but I can't help admiring her and rooting for her when I read that she spends a lot of time trying to get the most impossibly perfect sound quality. That is someone who may be a little crazy, but look, she cares. I want to care about someone who cares. I want to care about someone who never forgets that the oeuvre is going to be lingering for an indefinite amount of time, and may be assessed by people who aren't even born yet.
Many forum members here like to say that FBF can do whatever he wants. My ass he can. If he does something new or different with a purpose, okay, let's see what that is. But if he doesn't care, that's bad. Art is communication, and communication has to have two ends. If you don't care about the other end, then why even try to make communication? Not caring is bullshit, I don't buy it, and if you think that not caring is so cool, don't be angry when critics pan whatever the demigod is doing without caring.
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lucmove
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 09:36:54
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Originally posted by The Holiday Son
Sure but what I don't understand is why we don't get :
c) hear the songs that have been recorded !
It's even more ridiculous if no physical album is released, if the format of the moment is digital tracks, then that means no delay for us to hear them. Yet we have to wait.
I might be dumb but I don't get it.
You're not dumb. You're seeing it for what it is. The man who "doesn't care" obviously cares a lot about what his publicist says.
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Stevio10
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 09:51:38
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| I think he meant he doesnt care if you listen to it on itunes through dr dre earphones being streamed through your ipad while screwing lucmoves mom ;) |
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lucmove
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Brazil
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 10:06:39
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Originally posted by Stevio10
I think he meant he doesnt care if you listen to it on itunes through dr dre earphones being streamed through your ipad while screwing lucmoves mom ;)
Pffft. Frank Black is writing bad songs and English people are making lousy jokes. What's the world coming to... 
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hammerhands
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Canada
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 10:30:12
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
France
786 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 10:59:33
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lucmove you surely understood from BF's interviews and stage attitude that he cares, he's never been so involved since... Maybe his guitar-less Bluefinger tour 6 years ago.
I agree he's never been an audio geek, spending hours fine-tuning a snare sound like Albini loves, or Kim Deal who is an analogue maniac. I like those artists who are sound perfectionists, but BF just isn't. He's a snake :)
He cares about the composition, the lyrics, the mood, the vocal interpretation... And probably the collective feel of the band. But not so much about the production process and result. The only instance I read about some degree of perfectionnism from BF is the 5 weeks of recording the guitar parts for Sad Punk. But from live-to-2-track to this EP1 you hear he's not the audio guy. So I understand you regret it, but it's nothing new and if you loved BF years ago (as I suppose from your being here) then your constant criticizing (you can admit it has become recurring sarcasm) looks like some kind of posture, of being cool against the mass, but I can't read sincerity from a sane mind here.
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lucmove
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 17:06:01
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Originally posted by sdon
lucmove you surely understood from BF's interviews and stage attitude that he cares, he's never been so involved since... Maybe his guitar-less Bluefinger tour 6 years ago.
I agree he's never been an audio geek, spending hours fine-tuning a snare sound like Albini loves, or Kim Deal who is an analogue maniac. I like those artists who are sound perfectionists, but BF just isn't. He's a snake :)
He cares about the composition, the lyrics, the mood, the vocal interpretation... And probably the collective feel of the band. But not so much about the production process and result. The only instance I read about some degree of perfectionnism from BF is the 5 weeks of recording the guitar parts for Sad Punk. But from live-to-2-track to this EP1 you hear he's not the audio guy. So I understand you regret it, but it's nothing new and if you loved BF years ago (as I suppose from your being here) then your constant criticizing (you can admit it has become recurring sarcasm) looks like some kind of posture, of being cool against the mass, but I can't read sincerity from a sane mind here.
Howdy. Several things here:
1) Didn't FBF once (long time ago) mention that the Catholics probably hated him for making them play the same song for the 50th time or so during recording? I vaguely remember something like that. That's a bit of perfectionism.
2) He's never been so involved since... last year, I say.
Sorry, but I now see a FBF that is more involved in coasting. For example: disappointing new material, a clear much more commercial stance, "I don't care" attitude, and some fishy statements in latest interviews. I am cynical and I don't believe very much in interviews, especially when so many statements sound too convenient for public image. They say they're fine, they're enjoying themselves, they've never been in a better place, this product they're marketing right now is good and you should buy it, all these obvious things that professional artists say in interviews to promote a new release.
I believe he doesn't want to create much anymore, just write and release some make-do stuff, tour a lot to make more money, enjoy some very late and much deserved stardom and... quit. I think FBF will be retiring soon. He seems tired. He has created a lot more than most musicians ever.
3) I've been criticizing (recurring sarcasm) because I think I should. I should because that's how I honestly feel and because this forum really could use a dissenting voice. There's too many fanbois here. There's a bit too much faith in stuff that is said in interviews and taken as final truth, without any concern about whether it's true or just public relations. I think there should be more questioning, more challenging, more suspicion. If nobody wants to do that, fine, let me do it.
Why is criticism such an anathema here? I didn't become a fan by accepting things quietly. I became a fan because my standards are high. Criticizing is absolutely fair game. FBF and the Pixies are public figures involved in public work, public expression. You won't see me criticizing how they lead their lives, how they raise their kids, or what health decisions they make, whether they take drugs or have high cholesterol, nope. But criticizing their public work is part of the whole thing. THEY do the whole thing, but WE are the reason the whole thing exists. It's a pact. Every artist has a pact with their audience. Every now and then some fool decides to brag loudly that he or she doesn't care about the pact, but that's foolish. The only alternative to the pact is seclusion and self gratification. Art is not seclusion and self gratification, art is communication. If you truly don't care about the pact, then stay home and close the curtains and never tell anyone what you're doing.
I really like the artist, but I can comment on the things that I don't like as well. FBF said so himself in a recent interview. It's fair game, and the Stepford Wife fans had better get over it. What's the point of a forum anyway?
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simibaby
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 19:34:22
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| Good work, luc. You do, actually make some valid points. Me give you props. It's true ....the adoration of Frank here doesn't usually allow for constructive truthful criticism. |
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natenate101
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USA
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 20:49:44
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| LOL, comical stuff. None of this is as serious as you all are making it. |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1141 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 22:38:47
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he doesn't really care about how it's released. but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about the music itself. how would you come to such a conclusion?
i understand you personally don't like the new music, lucmove, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about this new music. (wtf? how on earth?)
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Sprite
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Posted - 10/09/2013 : 02:22:18
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It's true ....the adoration of Frank here doesn't usually allow for constructive truthful criticism.
Even by lucmove's rhetorical standards ('Stepford Wife fans' giggle, giggle) this comment is insane. |
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