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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 08/30/2012 : 16:59:41
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So... Anybody else wanna bone Paul Ryan's wifepiece?
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/31/2012 : 00:31:50
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Originally posted by BLT
I miss Erebus.
I was feeling exactly the same way yesterday. We may have been on opposite ends of the political spectrum, but I'd loved to have been discussing the current scenarios with him.
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Llamadance
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Posted - 08/31/2012 : 08:26:34
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Nice article on Paul Ryan's speech:
http://bit.ly/TFan6e - more in the article than what I've posted:
Medicare
And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly … So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama.
Barack Obama's budget plan calls for $716bn in cuts to Medicare spending over the next 10 years, but in reimbursements to insurers and hospitals, not in payments to beneficiaries, which would be preserved.
Ryan knows this because he has written these same cuts in to successive drafts of his famed budget. The cuts are designed to extend the solvency of Medicare for an estimated eight years. Repealing the cuts would likely increase payments by hundreds of dollars a year for beneficiaries, who share costs with the government.
Politifact has weighed in on Ryan's Medicare claim and found it to be "mostly false."
Ryan's hometown GM plant
Ryan said Obama held out false hope to workers in his hometown of Janesville, Wisconsin, that a GM plant there could be saved.
A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year.
Ryan accurately quotes Obama, who visited the plant as a presidential candidate in February 2008. Four months later, GM announced the plant would drastically scale back production. The plant laid off most of its workforce in December 2008, before Obama took office. The "government support" Obama spoke of – his auto bailout plan, which took effect in early 2009 – did not arrive early enough to save the Janesville plant, but it is credited with saving the American auto industry.
The full audacity of this attack cannot be appreciated without noting that Ryan's would-be boss, Mitt Romney, published an op-ed in the New York Times in November 2008 under the headline Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 08/31/2012 : 08:36:20
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The Daily Show, "We Built It!" I can't see this video online. Right near the end of it.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-29-2012/rnc-2012---the-road-to-jeb-bush-2016---we-built-it
Spoiler here:
"An alternate reality where Barack Obama is a socialist muslim, global warming is from polar bear farts, Fox News is fair and balanced and the greatest threat to our way of life in a time of unprecedented economic inequality and institutional advantage for the wealthy is two dudes who want to get married. 'We Built It!'"
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 08/31/2012 : 08:39:40
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 08/31/2012 : 19:49:19
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Originally posted by trobrianders
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Originally posted by pot
at least there was stability with Saddam.
keep smokin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eaEuf5Z6yA
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2012 : 03:23:56
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/01/2012 : 10:41:24
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Mr. Obama, the Christian president with the Muslim-sounding name, would heed the admonitions of neither religion's prophets about making war and do what no empire or leader, including Alexander the Great, could do: he would, he assured us "get the job done in Afghanistan." And so we have our democratic president receiving the Nobel Peace Prize as he sends 30,000 more troops to a ten-year-old conflict in a country that's been war-torn for 5,000 years.
Why? We'll never fully know. Instead, we got a speech that was stone bullshit and an insult to the very idea of peace.
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/11264-john-cusack-and-jonathan-turley-on-obamas-constitution
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2012 : 15:19:57
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holy shit, pot. that interview was right on the fucking money. it's long but well-worth the read. darwin, please read this. please!
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/01/2012 : 15:33:14
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I've only read half of it yet lol just heard Bishop Desmond Tutu has called for Bush and Blair to be tried in the Hague for war crimes. Not the first person to say that.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/02/tony-blair-iraq-war-desmond-tutu
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Writing in the Observer, Tutu also suggests the controversial US and UK-led action to oust Saddam Hussein in 2003 created the backdrop for the civil war in Syria and a possible wider Middle East conflict involving Iran.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 01:46:31
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
holy shit. that interview was right on the fucking money.
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John Cusack asks "Hope means endless war?". Yes it does as long as theocracies exist in the world, holding their people back. If you have any doubts about that just ask yourself would you be happy if your child had to endure the deprivations of mind in an Islamic society, for instance. It's a no-brainer. You would wage all kinds of holy war to save your kid from that hideous fate.
When we leave Afghanistan and the Taliban retake control you will hear horror stories that will make peace (of mind) impossible for you. Even in a relatively moderate Islamic society like Egypt, to quote just one stat, 90% of all females have had their clits sheared off. If Islamic rulers wont halt barbaric practices don't Egyptian girls deserve someone who will?
These people all around the world have only one chance at the freedom you and I take for granted. Mass poverty in their societies has to end. There's only one proven way to end mass poverty in a society; the emancipation of women. You will never see the emancipation of women in a religious society.
Should we be at war? Don't kid yourself there's any other way. You and I would never have the freedoms we enjoy today if the Romans hadn't gone conquering in the name of civilisation. It's an on-going effort, as brutal and inevitable as Nature, which you're a part of, like it or not.
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 02:14:37
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Nature thrives on co-operation and compassion, not war and destruction, it's a scientific fact. If you believe otherwise then you have lost touch with your own human nature. i think you just like war. It excites you. You like forcing your point of view on others, and eliminating anyone who disagrees with you.
It's easy for you to sit back and condone war when it's not happening on your doorstep.
Why has the war on terror and the knee jerk reaction of the US in the wake of 911 now turned into a 'humanitarian' effort, and why does that involve the innocent slaughter of thousands of people? Why don't we invade China? Or do we have too many economic ties with that country? I suppose if we can't invade China, and turn their now prosperous land into a third world blood bath like we did in Iraq, you could always invite their leader over to the US and have your president scowl at him on live television.
Should we also invade Israel because of their human rights abuse? Male genital mutilation is quite common there I hear. No we like to sell weapons to them, it's good for business.
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trobrianders
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 02:44:36
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You like forcing your point of view on others, and eliminating anyone who disagrees with you.
Like plants compete for sunlight you mean?
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 02:50:21
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even putting aside the supposed "virtues" of the war on terror, how does that justify the complete elimination of due process? cannot women be saved all around the world WITHOUT the president giving himself the power to kill and imprison anyone he wants, anywhere in the world?
also, jesus fuck my pee-hole, when Bush was in office these were wars for oil. now that Obama's in charge they're wars for the emancipation of women. this about-face would be so laughable if it weren't so foolish.
and so, you (troby) readily admit this is a war on islam? and this is a productive way to go about it? strip americans of their right to due process, torture and indefinitely detain people, and send drones to kill people in a nation that is our supposed ally? i'd prefer the Hitchins approach of enlightening motherfuckers to the lunacy of religion in general, with exhibits A thru Z.
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
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1758 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2012 : 02:52:01
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Originally posted by trobrianders
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Originally posted by pot
You like forcing your point of view on others, and eliminating anyone who disagrees with you.
Like plants compete for sunlight you mean?
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if the world were all weeds it'd be a pretty ugly place.
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 02:57:54
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Originally posted by trobrianders
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Originally posted by pot
You like forcing your point of view on others, and eliminating anyone who disagrees with you.
Like plants compete for sunlight you mean?
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Not really no. More like hegemonic governments using their powers to try to silence whistleblowers.
The notion that nature thrives on conflict to survive is derived from Darwin's theories which are not entirely wrong, but just not the complete picture. Our tendency to use militaristic language to describe our observations can be observed throughout many scientific disciplines and can be a stumbling block towards our understanding. Plants don't 'fight for sunlight', rather the plant which is most adept at integrating itself within it's environment is the one which is most likely to flourish. The plant which has the greatest ability to communicate with the surrounding web of life in the form of exchanging various chemicals is the one which flourishes, along side all other plants which form part of the web of life. When a farmer plants crops and then has to destroy weeds that is not because the weeds are fighting the crops, this is nothing more than a metaphor we have used to describe the situation.
We need to get out of thinking this way as it will ultimately lead to our demise, like it did with the Roman empire. It is not part of our nature. If (hu)man acts in this way then s/he has lost touch with his/her own nature, and s/he has lost touch with nature itself.
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if the world were all weeds it'd be a pretty ugly place.
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I like weeds. I let some grow in my garden, in amongst the flowers I plant. They're good for bees and other insects, which are currently threatened by modern farming methods.
I'd certainly like a bit more 'weed' to grow in my neighbourhood, but I guess Troby's definition of freedom doesn't extend to pot smokers. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 06:05:22
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Originally posted by pot
Nature thrives on co-operation and compassion, not war and destruction, it's a scientific fact. If you believe otherwise then you have lost touch with your own human nature.
Hey, I can answer that one. I have a PhD in biology. I teach biology and evolution. I have published many papers in ecology, behavior, and evolution.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Cooperation is very rare in nature and when it does occur it is because it benefits both parties. Competition and predation are much more common. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 06:26:30
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Competition and predation are more prevalent on what level, the animal 'kingdom'?
It all depends on your definition of co-operation. The entire biosphere depends upon the intricate connections between all the parts, many of which we are just learning about. The world didn't evolve into the diversity of life it is host to today by all the species being in conflict with each other, that's an utterly ridiculous hypothesis that anyone with have an ounce of intelligence knows runs counter to logic. If you don't know that then you nothing, you know-it-all I've got a PhD so I know everything smug head.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 09:22:18
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if the world were all weeds it'd be a pretty ugly place.
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Now you're getting me. WAR ON WEEDS
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 09:32:03
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Originally posted by pot
Competition and predation are more prevalent on what level, the animal 'kingdom'?
It all depends on your definition of co-operation. The entire biosphere depends upon the intricate connections between all the parts, many of which we are just learning about. The world didn't evolve into the diversity of life it is host to today by all the species being in conflict with each other, that's an utterly ridiculous hypothesis that anyone with have an ounce of intelligence knows runs counter to logic. If you don't know that then you nothing, you know-it-all I've got a PhD so I know everything smug head.
"Yeah you should listen to pot about that biosphere stuff. It's like that where I'm from too. I'm David Beckham and I endorsed this message. Oi Victoria! Get off!"
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 09:46:31
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| Soon as you realise you're losing the argument, you resort to mockery. No accounting for intelligence in this day and age, and people wonder why I don't vote. What's the point when most of the rest of the participants are morons. |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2012 : 12:10:29
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Originally posted by trobrianders
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
if the world were all weeds it'd be a pretty ugly place.
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Now you're getting me. WAR ON WEEDS
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this may be neither the time nor the place, but let it be known: i have a bit of a message-board-man-crush on you.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 12:39:03
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Love me love my pot
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 13:10:56
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Originally posted by pot
Competition and predation are more prevalent on what level, the animal 'kingdom'?
It all depends on your definition of co-operation. The entire biosphere depends upon the intricate connections between all the parts, many of which we are just learning about. The world didn't evolve into the diversity of life it is host to today by all the species being in conflict with each other, that's an utterly ridiculous hypothesis that anyone with have an ounce of intelligence knows runs counter to logic. If you don't know that then you nothing, you know-it-all I've got a PhD so I know everything smug head.
blah, blah, blah, dis-proven gaia hypothesis. You don't know what you're talking about. But, carry on.
Species are in conflict. Individuals are conflict. Take this as an example, you eat (and smoke) more things than you cooperate with. I could go on, but frankly what's the point? Yes the world is composed of connections (food webs), but that does not mean they are cooperating. I'm not co-operating with a cow when I eat a carneasada burrito. It's not receiving any benefit from our relationship. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 13:23:17
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How the fuck is the Gaia hypothesis disproven, and specifically what aspect of it, all of it? What planet are you living on. And I wasn't referring to that specifically anyway, but go ahead and assume that I was so it fits in with your bullshit counter argument and makes you feel clever. You can wave your fancy peer reviewed papers around all you like, you are wrong on pretty much every point we argue, I think it is just in your nature to disagree with people. I'm glad I don't know you in real life, I doubt we would ever be having this conversation if I did.
Whatever humanitarian ambassador of the free world new president of america you vote for, be sure and pass this message onto them for me. Get your military bases the fuck out of my country.
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Yes the world is composed of connections (food webs), but that does not mean they are cooperating. I'm not co-operating with a cow when I eat a carneasada burrito. It's not receiving any benefit from our relationship.
Well that's where your limited ability to comprehend this concept of co-operation in nature evidently breaks down. Of course you are not actually talking to a fucking cow when you eat a beefburger, that's pretty much how a 5 year old would interpret the concept. The different ecosystems and the way life in which them interconnects and sustains itself is a highly complex web of interrelations much of which we don't understand, and is often cyclical and elaborate. There may well be aspects of these within such webs that can be interpreted as a type of conflict, but the overall, holistic picture that emerges throughout the whole of nature is that it relies on co-operation in order for it to sustain itself. The term co-operation is being used in a different sense to mere two way fucking communication! |
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trobrianders
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 14:43:01
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
this may be neither the time nor the place, but let it be known: i have a bit of a message-board-man-crush on you.
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Both dans on fine form. I'm happy. Heh.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 18:06:47
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Originally posted by pot
Well that's where your limited ability to comprehend this concept of co-operation in nature evidently breaks down. ... The term co-operation is being used in a different sense to mere two way fucking communication!
Yes, teach me about ecology and food webs. I've never met someone that knows so much about the complexity of ecology as you. I mean in all these years when I go to conferences with thousands of ecologists have I ever meet someone that had such a grasp of the complexity of ecology as you do.
I never said anything about communication. I was talking about a predator and prey relationship. One eats the other. That is not cooperation. |
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 19:02:05
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 19:36:34
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by pot
Well that's where your limited ability to comprehend this concept of co-operation in nature evidently breaks down. ... The term co-operation is being used in a different sense to mere two way fucking communication!
Yes, teach me about ecology and food webs. I've never met someone that knows so much about the complexity of ecology as you. I mean in all these years when I go to conferences with thousands of ecologists have I ever meet someone that had such a grasp of the complexity of ecology as you do.
I never said anything about communication. I was talking about a predator and prey relationship. One eats the other. That is not cooperation.
It depends on how to look at it. Doesn't the black widow females spider eat the male after procreating with it or something. I'm not sure it's entirely correct to view a predator prey relationship as a conflict, although you could say there is a struggle perhaps. You could equally say that in a sense they are co-operating with each other species to species, unconsciously to maintain some level of quasi-equilibrium on a different level. In any case, the predator-prey relationship is only one aspect the planet's ecological web, like I said in my previous post. Overall, it's a system that works in balance through the constituent parts co-operating in highly elaborate ways. Each part does it's bit, and it all fits together neatly so as to sustain the whole. It's not exactly going to work if each part is out to destroy each other part, is it doctor!
So ultimately your hypothesis that it's in our nature to fight so therefore war is just a part of our existence that we have to come to terms with is not entirely right. It's a delusion brought about by your limited and archaic understanding of science. In any case, if it were true, then why don't we just leave these war torn states to sort out their own conflicts, or is steaming in and creating bigger ones part of the ultimate plan?
Tell your president to take his bases out of my country, and stop imprisoning people for cannabis, if it's alright with you and your scientifically literate cronies that the cannabis community consider that a violation of our human rights. |
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2543 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2012 : 03:22:16
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Well, I have no love for the republicans, but this is beyond the pale. Ryan should be strung up for his actions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19462506
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 03:40:38
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 04:44:06
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And I thought you came for the burrito.
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I guess someone can cooperate my balls.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 05:09:43
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Hawk/Dove dogfight? As much as I get abrasive I don't mind the result. Doves are pretty.
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
even putting aside the supposed "virtues" of the war on terror, how does that justify the complete elimination of due process?
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"the complete elimination of due process?". The US has really progressed in the last few years. A mostly harmonious state of anarchy. I thought that kind of progress was a century away. The government of people replaced by the administration of things. Well done you guys. Started with a joke, heh. Roleplay's fun.
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cannot women be saved all around the world WITHOUT the president giving himself the power to kill and imprison anyone he wants, anywhere in the world?
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He doesn't have the power to stop you campaigning for a reversal of draconian law. Wanna acknowledge that? You're free goddamn it! You can even hold him to that draconian law. Pro-war Hitch defended that cause. So few have anything like that freedom. It only takes a majority. You choose your laws. Overturn anything you don't want. 'The product seems to work fine, sir. I had the same problem with it then took another look at the instruction manual.' I'm reminding myself of this more than I'm patronising you. Like a spur, you know? But anyway, have you made a little use of your freedom? Would the president render a Frank fan?
How is opposing war gonna liberate the world's oppressed women? All of us (including presidents and generals) are prone to ulterior motives, no?. We're human. Does that mean we forego a just cause messily fought? 'Saving women' is about as just a cause as you're ever likely to fight. And the one that will bring the most benefit to humanity. What do you suggest we do long-term about continuing wholesale subjegation and maltreatment of women worldwide? Too much atrocity to list here. But hang on, look out, as if things weren't bad enough - the latest thing. The recent explosion in young girls in their millions being destroyed in the meat grinder of sex trafficking (facilitated by religion). Jesus fucking peeholes! You take your eyes off your johnson one second!
Tell me what besides strategic war has ever made a dent on anything like this? If it's not our fight then it's not our fight. We can sit back, put another jingly jangly record on and blah blah blah about Bush. Or better still light one up. And then act real surprised when they close in; Backdoor creationism in the US, creeping blasphemy law at the UN, the muslim bomb oh here and there, the profligacy of barbaric mores and customs worldwide etc. Why not? Progress is staggered, three steps forward, one step back. A few more forward and a few less back, that's the dream, no?
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when Bush was in office these were wars for oil. now that Obama's in charge they're wars for the emancipation of women.
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Sexy but a misreading. Oil and profits feed the engines of war. Emancipation has been the spoils. Draw a line from say the Romans thru the Enlightenment to today. What has it ever been all about? Emancipation driven by war. Our better natures satisfied by reform achieved peacefully. Historically, strategic war has cleared the space for that reform to take place. Clear the ground, build a home, raise a family. You see how that process starts with hard dangerous labor and ends in a pastoral scene? I'm not advocating war out of historical context.
How come you and I live free today? I mean it. Explain to me your thoughts on how it is that we got to live free. It wasn't because Europe and the US has an anti-war history going back centuries. The North fought the South over slavery. That's what it took to beat it. Is that another war we could have done without? Lincoln didn't know how to sit down and talk? He just had a raging hard-on for carnage? The original warmongering Republican!
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readily admit this is a war on islam? ... send drones to kill people in a nation that is our supposed ally?
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A war on islam? That's too narrow. Pakistan? A supposed ally? Now I know you're being disingenuous  We try for all the cooperation we can get from them but they don't suck our balls to LBF standard? Hardly! They're thoroughly corrupted with filthy religion. We have to keep up diplomacy because they have nuclear warheads and range missiles!!! How then should we 'engage' with Pakistan? The country in which a 14 year old down syndrome girl is fit to be ripped limb from limb, and for what? Turns out an immam will now die in her place. Really? And for what? The country's philosophy is completely deranged. And like N. Korea that makes its vulnerable citizens our responsibility. If a lunatic rages you wrest back control no question. See to it that he gets help if you can. Risk of someone getting hurt? Definitely! But that's your neighborhood. That's the world.
US drones attack innocent civilians and nothing more? Why don't you wanna talk about who they are trying to kill with drones? Spend even five minutes in the company of someone with radical Islamc views and do a 180 on a dime.
My time spent in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, other parts of the Middle East etc. over the years, has convinced me that, as free people, we're bound to act and quickly. Zealouts/barbarians clamouring for power and apocalyptic weaponery. Even regular people with a delirium for seeing the world destroyed so they can unite with their maker and send you and your children straight to hell.
"Raze the ground, build a culture any human being would be proud to join, watch the rugrats play" - Abraham Lincoln 1864
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Originally posted by trobriandersHe doesn't have the power to stop you campaigning for a reversal of draconian law. Wanna acknowledge that? You're free goddamn it!
Try telling that to Bradley Manning.
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You can even hold him to that draconian law. Think big. Pro-war Hitch defended that cause. So few have anything like that freedom. It only takes a majority. You choose your laws. Overturn anything you don't want.
Oh great. Let's overturn the cannabis laws then. Yay
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How come you and I live free today? I mean it.
You're not a whistleblower or a cannabis user?
p.s. this
http://childvictimsofwar.org.uk/get-informed/iraq/
Anyone remember the Iraq sanctions prior to the war where people were denied medicine? That was the UK/US. We like to deprive people of medicine.
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The desperate situation of Iraqi children has been largely created by the international community, the US and UK in particular. Iraq has been exposed to:
two decades of sanctions and punitive reparation payments which have hit the most vulnerable members of society;
the destruction of vital civilian infrastructure through targeted bombing;
the collapse of state apparatus after the 2003 invasion;
continuous military violence and the opening of the country to al-Qaeda and other fundamentalist forces;
a constitution founded on ethnic and religious division and US/UK support of sectarian and misogynist factions;
corrupt governance
....a 95% certainty for a number of deaths between 946,000 and 1.12 million.
The deaths of so many men, women and children have had an enormous impact on Iraqi society. According to the Iraqi government,around 4.5 million children have lost one or both parents (almost 1 in 3) and approximately 600 000 children are living on the streets. Child labour has increased with 15% of children under the age of 14 now working. There are now between 1 and 3 million widows in Iraq, many struggling as heads of households and living in extreme poverty.
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