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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
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 Posted - 09/03/2012 : 07:45:12
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Originally posted by trobrianders
A war on islam? That's too narrow. Pakistan? A supposed ally? Now I know you're being disingenuous 
Really? ffs Tro', you used an emoticon?!
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 08:41:40
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'US weapons sales more than tripled in 2011, reaching a record high, according to a new congressional report.
America's largest customer was Saudi Arabia, which purchased more than $33bn worth of weapons from the US, including dozens of F-15 fighter jets, missiles, and other materiel.'
http://www.aljazeera.com/video/americas/2012/08/20128273548544850.html
That's all right, because there are no human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia, are there. Women are free in Saudi Arabia, which is just as well because we might lose out on all that OIL if the US/UK decided to go on a humanitarian mission to liberate the people from the evil clutches of religious zealouts.
Getting the picture yet? |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2012 : 12:21:33
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Originally posted by pot
It's not exactly going to work if each part is out to destroy each other part, is it doctor!
So ultimately your hypothesis that it's in our nature to fight so therefore war is just a part of our existence that we have to come to terms with is not entirely right. It's a delusion brought about by your limited and archaic understanding of science.
It works beautifully. It is why are here.
Lol. Yes, teach me about science. You might do well to read some Darwin my boy.
You would fit in very well with the Republican attack on science where everyone's opinion is equal. Even when they have no idea of what they're talking about. Carry on Mr. The Balance of Nature. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 12:35:47
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by pot
It's not exactly going to work if each part is out to destroy each other part, is it doctor!
So ultimately your hypothesis that it's in our nature to fight so therefore war is just a part of our existence that we have to come to terms with is not entirely right. It's a delusion brought about by your limited and archaic understanding of science.
It works beautifully. It is why are here.
Lol. Yes, teach me about science. You might do well to read some Darwin my boy.
You would fit in very well with the Republican attack on science where everyone's opinion is equal. Even when they have no idea of what they're talking about. Carry on Mr. The Balance of Nature.
Well I've been called worse things I suppose.
What's your take on the work of Maturana and Varella then, prey tell? Mr. Newtonian Paradigm Stuck-in |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 13:38:03
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Originally posted by pot
'US weapons sales more than tripled in 2011, reaching a record high, according to a new congressional report.
America's largest customer was Saudi Arabia, which purchased more than $33bn worth of weapons from the US, including dozens of F-15 fighter jets, missiles, and other materiel.'
http://www.aljazeera.com/video/americas/2012/08/20128273548544850.html
That's all right, because there are no human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia, are there. Women are free in Saudi Arabia, which is just as well because we might lose out on all that OIL if the US/UK decided to go on a humanitarian mission to liberate the people from the evil clutches of religious zealouts.
Getting the picture yet?
You're agreeing with me you schmuck!
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 13:53:51
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2012 : 17:08:17
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 17:31:19
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Pot I think some of Ron Paul's views might align with yours. He thinks the U.S. shouldn't intervene with every country and have hundreds of bases overseas and also believes the war on drugs is a total failure and invasion of people's civil liberties, which it is.
Even if someone wants to ruin their life with heroin in the privacy of their home it is their own right. Think of it this way, freedom comes from nature or god, whichever you believe and the government has no right to trample it.
Besides when it comes to marijuana the whole thing is a huge joke. The science says very clearly it is safer than alcohol, you can't overdose on it and it has never led to a pandemoc of health problems or even car accidents like with alcohol, yet under Obama's administration he has raided medical marijuana dispensaries more than Bush did.
Talk about backwards, and Obama's administration says they are for science over politics, but that is clearly not true. |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 17:40:45
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Originally posted by trobrianders
Hawk/Dove dogfight? As much as I get abrasive I don't mind the result. Doves are pretty.
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
even putting aside the supposed "virtues" of the war on terror, how does that justify the complete elimination of due process?
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"the complete elimination of due process?". The US has really progressed in the last few years. A mostly harmonious state of anarchy. I thought that kind of progress was a century away. The government of people replaced by the administration of things. Well done you guys. Started with a joke, heh. Roleplay's fun.
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
cannot women be saved all around the world WITHOUT the president giving himself the power to kill and imprison anyone he wants, anywhere in the world?
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He doesn't have the power to stop you campaigning for a reversal of draconian law. Wanna acknowledge that? You're free goddamn it! You can even hold him to that draconian law. Pro-war Hitch defended that cause. So few have anything like that freedom. It only takes a majority. You choose your laws. Overturn anything you don't want. 'The product seems to work fine, sir. I had the same problem with it then took another look at the instruction manual.' I'm reminding myself of this more than I'm patronising you. Like a spur, you know? But anyway, have you made a little use of your freedom? Would the president render a Frank fan?
How is opposing war gonna liberate the world's oppressed women? All of us (including presidents and generals) are prone to ulterior motives, no?. We're human. Does that mean we forego a just cause messily fought? 'Saving women' is about as just a cause as you're ever likely to fight. And the one that will bring the most benefit to humanity. What do you suggest we do long-term about continuing wholesale subjegation and maltreatment of women worldwide? Too much atrocity to list here. But hang on, look out, as if things weren't bad enough - the latest thing. The recent explosion in young girls in their millions being destroyed in the meat grinder of sex trafficking (facilitated by religion). Jesus fucking peeholes! You take your eyes off your johnson one second!
Tell me what besides strategic war has ever made a dent on anything like this? If it's not our fight then it's not our fight. We can sit back, put another jingly jangly record on and blah blah blah about Bush. Or better still light one up. And then act real surprised when they close in; Backdoor creationism in the US, creeping blasphemy law at the UN, the muslim bomb oh here and there, the profligacy of barbaric mores and customs worldwide etc. Why not? Progress is staggered, three steps forward, one step back. A few more forward and a few less back, that's the dream, no?
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
when Bush was in office these were wars for oil. now that Obama's in charge they're wars for the emancipation of women.
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Sexy but a misreading. Oil and profits feed the engines of war. Emancipation has been the spoils. Draw a line from say the Romans thru the Enlightenment to today. What has it ever been all about? Emancipation driven by war. Our better natures satisfied by reform achieved peacefully. Historically, strategic war has cleared the space for that reform to take place. Clear the ground, build a home, raise a family. You see how that process starts with hard dangerous labor and ends in a pastoral scene? I'm not advocating war out of historical context.
How come you and I live free today? I mean it. Explain to me your thoughts on how it is that we got to live free. It wasn't because Europe and the US has an anti-war history going back centuries. The North fought the South over slavery. That's what it took to beat it. Is that another war we could have done without? Lincoln didn't know how to sit down and talk? He just had a raging hard-on for carnage? The original warmongering Republican!
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
readily admit this is a war on islam? ... send drones to kill people in a nation that is our supposed ally?
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A war on islam? That's too narrow. Pakistan? A supposed ally? Now I know you're being disingenuous We try for all the cooperation we can get from them but they don't suck our balls to LBF standard? Hardly! They're thoroughly corrupted with filthy religion. We have to keep up diplomacy because they have nuclear warheads and range missiles!!! How then should we 'engage' with Pakistan? The country in which a 14 year old down syndrome girl is fit to be ripped limb from limb, and for what? Turns out an immam will now die in her place. Really? And for what? The country's philosophy is completely deranged. And like N. Korea that makes its vulnerable citizens our responsibility. If a lunatic rages you wrest back control no question. See to it that he gets help if you can. Risk of someone getting hurt? Definitely! But that's your neighborhood. That's the world.
US drones attack innocent civilians and nothing more? Why don't you wanna talk about who they are trying to kill with drones? Spend even five minutes in the company of someone with radical Islamc views and do a 180 on a dime.
My time spent in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, other parts of the Middle East etc. over the years, has convinced me that, as free people, we're bound to act and quickly. Zealouts/barbarians clamouring for power and apocalyptic weaponery. Even regular people with a delirium for seeing the world destroyed so they can unite with their maker and send you and your children straight to hell.
"Raze the ground, build a culture any human being would be proud to join, watch the rugrats play" - Abraham Lincoln 1864
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i can't quite work out if you're being entirely serious on this stance. let me see if i get this straight:
women all over the world need to be liberated from oppressive dominant religious authorities (i.e. the men, for it's not just the government officials with oppressive religious views toward women, but those who are of that religion). so, kill them all in war. then the women will be emancipated!! YAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!
but, well, that's not really feasible, so NOT everyone will be killed, so the religion remains, as do its oppressive ways.
but, by golly, you JUST GOTTA give it the ol' college try!
and lincoln didn't order the suspension of habeas corpus and order the slaughter and destruction of so many women, children and homes to end slavery. he did it to preserve the Union. my point: the slaves were freed in a horrible war that was so much more horrible than it needed to be in order to end slavery BECAUSE... anybody? anybody? KoK? because that wasn't the primary reason for going to war.
we're in the middle east to emancipate women? no, we're not. that *might* be a possible outcome of this when it's all over (hope and change!!!!!!), but it doesn't justify any of this disgusting display of militarism. if these lofty goals are to ever be achieved, it ain't gonna happen like this.
like you acknowledged: humans have been fighting in wars and killing each other forever. so let's just stay the course? are you seriously afraid that if one piece of the puzzle of all of human history (war) is eliminated from future events then human advancement and progression might cease altogether?
you HONESTLY believe these wars will result in the emancipation of women?
i just can't wrap my head around your stance. you've built your rationale on the misguided and violent acts of murderous heads of state. "that's the way it's been and that's the way it's always going to be, so don't resist it and just FIND THAT SILVER LINING!!!!!"
i can be anti-war and still expect the world to continue on as it always has (which, it turns out, is exactly how i feel), but that doesn't mean i should give up being against war.
*******extreme analogy alert********
women get raped. always have, always will. we'll never be able to put a stop to rape. so why try? hell, one of those rape-babies might grow up to be president some day!! oh, the valor! just imagine if rape DIDN'T happen! far worse. *snuggles up with blankie and falls asleep on plush NY Giants pillow*
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2012 : 17:49:49
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Originally posted by darwin
What's your take on the work of Schluter, Hubbell, Tilman, Payne, McArthur, Wilson, Peter and Rosemary Grant, Case, Lima, Sih, Werner, Peckarsky, Pianka, Gause, Park, Schmitz, Hanski, Menge, Connell, and Murdoch?
Just answer the fucking question and stop being a smart arse. Do I really need to know everything about modern ecology journalism to know one of it's most basic fundamental tenets. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 18:10:54
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Originally posted by Skatealex1
Pot I think some of Ron Paul's views might align with yours. He thinks the U.S. shouldn't intervene with every country and have hundreds of bases overseas and also believes the war on drugs is a total failure and invasion of people's civil liberties, which it is.
Even if someone wants to ruin their life with heroin in the privacy of their home it is their own right. Think of it this way, freedom comes from nature or god, whichever you believe and the government has no right to trample it.
Yeah I know about Ron Paul.
The thing is with the cannabis laws they are not protecting people from something that will cause them harm, they are denying people something that is good for their health and in turn causing people undue problems in the process.
I've been into a smoke for about 15 years now, and I've noticed a definite pattern in between the times when I can get something nice to smoke, and when I can't. If i don't have any I tend to drink more and often smoke tobacco.
When I went to Holland in 2005 I had a fat beer gut. By the time 2006 came around I had put on several stone in muscle, got rid of my gut and was about as fit as I'd ever been in my life. Now, having just spent the past two years on this shit hole of an island again I have a beer gut again, I drink too much, and after 6 years of quitting smoking tobacco I have now started again and am trying to keep it down to the odd one here and there.
I suppose things could be a lot worse though, I could be a krokodil addict from Russia about to have my leg amputated because the drugs I have been injecting have rotted the flesh right off the bone. Some say this is what the authorities there want and it's their plan to cleanse society of herion addicts. They'd be quicker just shooting them, like they do with the opium farmers in Afganistan. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 18:44:42
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Originally posted by pot
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Originally posted by darwin
What's your take on the work of Schluter, Hubbell, Tilman, Payne, McArthur, Wilson, Peter and Rosemary Grant, Case, Lima, Sih, Werner, Peckarsky, Pianka, Gause, Park, Schmitz, Hanski, Menge, Connell, and Murdoch?
Just answer the fucking question and stop being a smart arse. Do I really need to know everything about modern ecology journalism to know one it's most basic fundamental tenets.
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 18:57:43
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| Thanks for the feedback, loop. As long the world of science is safe in your capable hands. |
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 22:03:42
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Originally posted by Skatealex1
Pot I think some of...
motherfuckin skatealex1
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2012 : 01:28:40
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
let me see if i get this straight:
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I don't believe you tried at all. I'm sorry about that.
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
then the women will be emancipated!! YAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!
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Women in our countries don't suffer the extremes that others do. Again I ask how did we achieve this?
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
we're in the middle east to emancipate women? no, we're not. that *might* be a possible outcome of this when it's all over
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Emancipation driven by war. So then you're sorta agreeing. I don't give a rat's arse about reasons FOR war. They can be all daffy as you like. Try looking at outcomes FROM war over the centuries to today.
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*******extreme analogy alert********
women get raped. always have, always will. we'll never be able to put a stop to rape. so why try? hell, one of those rape-babies might grow up to be president some day!! oh, the valor! just imagine if rape DIDN'T happen! far worse. *snuggles up with blankie and falls asleep on plush NY Giants pillow*
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Jeez that's cold.
Rape doesn't even make top 4. Try access and control:
1. Family planning
2. Finance
3. Education
4. Representation
Some of the hope/change that will be snatched away from 15 million Afghan girls and women when we do what you're asking for. You're saying we put Afghanistan through the trauma of war and now we should throw away all the gains? You say war is pointless. It would be if we did what you say. You're not acknowledging the fate you're consigning them to.
Look I only responded to you because of something darwin said to you about complacency. And so I wrote provocatively better or worse. I probably shouldn't have. If you've lost people to war I apologise.
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 02:18:49
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i DID try to get your point. i assumed i missed something because i'm really quite baffled at your embrace of the greedy and powerful violent that rule us all. and, again, you're saying look at the outcomes FOR war. as i said above, the reasons FOR war (and thus the atrocities brought about by it) don't justify those outcomes (silver linings) because those outcomes might have been achieved without the heavy-handedness from which the were born.
it really has got me thinking, and i appreciate it.
i'm a little disappointed you haven't actually responded to some of the questions i had about your statements. such as the war on extreme oppressive religion. seems to me that equals killing all those who are followers. right? this is the answer for you?
are we to have troops in Afghanistan forever with guns pointing at the men's heads to ensure women aren't devalued in any way?
one thing i got to thinking about- there will always be violence and war on earth. this will never change. one group will always be interested in killing another, some population of women will always be enslaved by bullshit religion. children will be murdered. should our country (the great and powerful) be a part of that never ending cycle, or can there be SOME kind of peaceful society somewhere on earth?
just thinking out loud. what's worse- being a part of the killing cycle or staying out of it? could be seen by some as killing vs letting people die. i don't know. i'm just trying to imagine which scenario allows for the least amount of world suffering.
it does seem pretty obvious to me, however, that the war an terror breeds more terror (i.e. people that would like to see us hurt (brought to justice?)). we are not safer here in the US. the stripping of civil liberties is not making us safer. the TSA is not making us safer. it's all an illusion of safety. it's absurd and wrong.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 02:34:56
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Thanks for the feedback, loop. As long the world of science is safe in your capable hands.
Thanks. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 02:45:14
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Originally posted by darwin
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Thanks for the feedback, loop. As long the world of science is safe in your capable hands.
Thanks.
Oh yeah, I forgot American's haven't evolved to appreciate the subtelties of sarcasm yet. |
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 06:41:57
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Originally posted by Skatealex1
Pot I think some of...
motherfuckin skatealex1
sup bro
Hey Little Black Francis. Not much man. |
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 08:55:27
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Group hug.
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Originally posted by Little Black Francis
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Pot I think some of...
motherfuckin skatealex1
sup bro
Hey Little Black Francis. Not much man.
"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard" |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 10:38:19
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Barack Obama. George Bush. Bill Clinton. Yous hink runnin America makes yous as for real as Jolly Boy John? Get Real!
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 14:39:31
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Originally posted by pot
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by pot
Thanks for the feedback, loop. As long the world of science is safe in your capable hands.
Thanks.
Oh yeah, I forgot American's haven't evolved to appreciate the subtelties of sarcasm yet.
Or perhaps you haven't. Or disdain. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 15:06:58
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Why is the world so obsessed with sports, war and bullshit democratic voting? I'm just asking myself this question now. You may be right Darwin that sentient life on this planet as we know seems to invariably rest upon the dominant predatory existence of one species over another, but is that the ultimate underlying process that sustains life? Is that a hypothetical reason for us to force our way on other civilisations just because they don't fall into sequence with our own?
As a physicist myself, and not a hugely successful one at that, I have read a few books about ecology and the thing I believe that I find binds us together is not conflict. On the biomolecular scale there are processes going on which seem to come together in this elaborate form so as to provide an emergent template for life.
Some of the physics that is being researched these days that I am reading about is so far fetched, and even the stuff i learned at uni is enough to make me realise that what we know about ourselves and the universe is highly subjective. We ask questions about our existence and the answers that are returned are so beyond our comprehension that you have to question the whole process of us being here and asking the questions in the first place.
We are with out a doubt the dominant species on this planet, thus far anyway. We have intelligence beyond the animal kingdom to look as far as light travel will aloow us into the depths of the 'early' universe and to probe so deep into matter that we cannot begin to understand what we find, and may never will. Our understanding of the universe around us and within us is based upon language that we have developed to explain the classical world around us, and so far in our evolution we are unable to escape that.
Regardless of the fact that within the animal kingdom predation exists, it is still within our intellectual remit to look at the science behind modern ecology and realise that whilst this may be an undeniable aspect of our collective existince the underlying processes that give rise to life and sustain it are not. They collectively in some way that we cannot begin to comprehend operate in such a way so as to generate the template upon which life flourishes. And we, as probably the most intellectual species on the planet have the mind and and the wisdom to realise that scientific fact and use it to our advantage, to the advantage of all emergent minds regardless of species.
In the many years and centuries of fighting what have we achieved? Not a great deal when you measure things up, species on the brink of extinction including our own. We are clearly not doing something right and we need to wake up to that. 300 years is nothing in the grand evolutionary scale of our planet. Life did not spring from the volcanoes of this earth through conflict and special dominance. through the chemistry and physics of how matter as we know it interacts with itself through the forces of nature life emerged many billions of years and it grew over that great expanse of time into what we are today as a planet. It did not do based on the hypothesis of Darwinism, rather it did so through co-operation, on a level we may never comprehend. Before Lions rules the jungle, an interpretation we like to place on that, there was co-operation between all the individual parts. Parts that presumably had no conscious awareness of their part and only acted upon the impulse that compelled them to do so, perhaps randomly so as to give ruse to the elaborate network of life that exists on the planet today. Parts that only exist within the introspective minds of one species that still survives today, a supposedly intelligent one.
When you start to question what is the fabric of the universe, what are parts, what is it that distinguishes us from all else that exists absolutely outwith our personal existence?
It's a question that no-one can answer, and perhaps never will. But what is transparent to me anyway is the thing that binds us is not fighting, or geopolotical hegemony, it is our underlying ability to live together with all the different species on earth in harmony, or at least it was until Hitler came along and preyed on the stupidity and submissive nature of the people. You could in some twisted sense call that cooperation I suppose.
If we had just come out of centuries of peaceful co-existence would war we the factor upon which we decide upon our next 'leader'? Would we need a leader at all, or is just existing together as the 7 blllion humans who inhabit this planet an option?
Darwin I am interested to hear your opinion, as i am everyones. That to me is what democracy is about, listening to people you live with and understanding each other. Voting is bullshit and the greatest fraud of all mankind. |
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 19:34:42
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Group hug.
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Pot I think some of...
motherfuckin skatealex1
sup bro
Hey Little Black Francis. Not much man.
"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard"
the swimmer, reveal yourself
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/05/2012 : 09:04:31
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Funny that after Michelle Obama's speech last night, some think she may beat Hilary Clinton to the Whitehouse. The wives may play a big part in the run in.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/05/2012 : 11:11:32
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i'm a little disappointed you haven't actually responded to some of the questions i had about your statements. such as the war on extreme oppressive religion. seems to me that equals killing all those who are followers. right? this is the answer for you?
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they were the heroes of old, men of renown.
That would be obscene. I said before, "If a lunatic rages you wrest back control no question. See to it that he gets help if you can. Risk of someone getting hurt? Definitely! But that's your neighborhood. That's the world".
From my point of view we're in Afghanistan. A system of law is established. We don't let anyone challenge it while we remain.
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Why is the world so obsessed with sports, war and bullshit democratic voting? I'm just asking myself this question now. You may be right Darwin that sentient life on this planet as we know seems to invariably rest upon the dominant predatory existence of one species over another, but is that the ultimate underlying process that sustains life? Is that a hypothetical reason for us to force our way on other civilisations just because they don't fall into sequence with our own?
As a physicist myself, and not a hugely successful one at that, I have read a few books about ecology and the thing I believe that I find binds us together is not conflict. On the biomolecular scale there are processes going on which seem to come together in this elaborate form so as to provide an emergent template for life.
Some of the physics that is being researched these days that I am reading about is so far fetched, and even the stuff i learned at uni is enough to make me realise that what we know about ourselves and the universe is highly subjective. We ask questions about our existence and the answers that are returned are so beyond our comprehension that you have to question the whole process of us being here and asking the questions in the first place.
We are with out a doubt the dominant species on this planet, thus far anyway. We have intelligence beyond the animal kingdom to look as far as light travel will aloow us into the depths of the 'early' universe and to probe so deep into matter that we cannot begin to understand what we find, and may never will. Our understanding of the universe around us and within us is based upon language that we have developed to explain the classical world around us, and so far in our evolution we are unable to escape that.
Regardless of the fact that within the animal kingdom predation exists, it is still within our intellectual remit to look at the science behind modern ecology and realise that whilst this may be an undeniable aspect of our collective existince the underlying processes that give rise to life and sustain it are not. They collectively in some way that we cannot begin to comprehend operate in such a way so as to generate the template upon which life flourishes. And we, as probably the most intellectual species on the planet have the mind and and the wisdom to realise that scientific fact and use it to our advantage, to the advantage of all emergent minds regardless of species.
In the many years and centuries of fighting what have we achieved? Not a great deal when you measure things up, species on the brink of extinction including our own. We are clearly not doing something right and we need to wake up to that. 300 years is nothing in the grand evolutionary scale of our planet. Life did not spring from the volcanoes of this earth through conflict and special dominance. through the chemistry and physics of how matter as we know it interacts with itself through the forces of nature life emerged many billions of years and it grew over that great expanse of time into what we are today as a planet. It did not do based on the hypothesis of Darwinism, rather it did so through co-operation, on a level we may never comprehend. Before Lions rules the jungle, an interpretation we like to place on that, there was co-operation between all the individual parts. Parts that presumably had no conscious awareness of their part and only acted upon the impulse that compelled them to do so, perhaps randomly so as to give ruse to the elaborate network of life that exists on the planet today. Parts that only exist within the introspective minds of one species that still survives today, a supposedly intelligent one.
When you start to question what is the fabric of the universe, what are parts, what is it that distinguishes us from all else that exists absolutely outwith our personal existence?
It's a question that no-one can answer, and perhaps never will. But what is transparent to me anyway is the thing that binds us is not fighting, or geopolotical hegemony, it is our underlying ability to live together with all the different species on earth in harmony, or at least it was until Hitler came along and preyed on the stupidity and submissive nature of the people. You could in some twisted sense call that cooperation I suppose.
If we had just come out of centuries of peaceful co-existence would war we the factor upon which we decide upon our next 'leader'? Would we need a leader at all, or is just existing together as the 7 blllion humans who inhabit this planet an option?
Darwin I am interested to hear your opinion, as i am everyones. That to me is what democracy is about, listening to people you live with and understanding each other. Voting is bullshit and the greatest fraud of all mankind.
You should smoke less hash and spend time in outdoor. Type that much paragraph seem like need to find woman to have sex with. Or go for bicycle ride. |
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pot
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 14:14:30
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You should smoke less hash and spend time in outdoor. Type that much paragraph seem like need to find woman to have sex with. Or go for bicycle ride.
Good idea. You can be my guru, or eastern european whorewife finder? I'm looking to ideally to get some Czeck bitch preggers so she'll have to marry me and then I can get sex whenever I want and not be so would up all the time. |
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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 09/11/2012 : 11:11:06
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Some of the physics that is being researched these days that I am reading about is so far fetched, and even the stuff i learned at uni is enough to make me realise that what we know about ourselves and the universe is highly subjective. We ask questions about our existence and the answers that are returned are so beyond our comprehension that you have to question the whole process of us being here and asking the questions in the first place.
Can you recommend some books? |
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pot
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Posted - 09/11/2012 : 16:42:24
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Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm
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Originally posted by pot
Some of the physics that is being researched these days that I am reading about is so far fetched, and even the stuff i learned at uni is enough to make me realise that what we know about ourselves and the universe is highly subjective. We ask questions about our existence and the answers that are returned are so beyond our comprehension that you have to question the whole process of us being here and asking the questions in the first place.
Can you recommend some books?
I've been influenced by Fritjof Capra but as far as know he is not taken seriously by the mainstream. His views are quite outworldy and don't conform to the rigour of scientific objectivity. Nonetheless his ideas are based on real science and are very interesting. He draws a lot from comparison with religion, particularly eastern although he has published a paper on science and christianity which I have not read. I studied physics at uni and it wasn't until I read The Tao of Physics that it all started to make some kind of sense to me. He then wrote The Turning Point and elaborated further on the parallels between science and religion into the realms of biology, psychology and medicine. The Web of Life is a further expansion on the segment of his 2nd book on biology and life and is based a lot on chaos theory. I'd recommend making sure you have read Chaos by James Gleick before reading it because it attempts to explain the theories and hypotheses on the basis of a limited explanation of chaos.
I recently offered an answer to a question asked to Dr Karl on BBC radio 5 (UK) - what is it that distinguishes living matter from 'normal' matter? I tweeted him the answer and he requested a more thorough answer via email, to which I replied in a lot of detail quoting Capra and mentioning reiki healing and he totally dismissed it. I attempted to peruade him that I might have gone too far in my explanation and to just look at the basic hypothesis I was represeting and he replied in the end saying he just couldn't get his head round it. I think he was just being polite, but I don't know.
All I know is whatever hairbrained theories anyone can come up with science has one better and even more strange. You'd think by now that most people who are into science will have realised that no matter how far into the future we go and how far we probe into the nature of existence we will never find an objective answer. Any question we ask is subjective, so you cannot have an objective answer to a subjective question?
It's still fun to ask and be perpetually bemused by the whole thing.
I remember references to a book called Cosmogenesis and one called Wholeness and the Implicate Order by David Bohm. Started reading both and never got far for different reasons. I found Bohm hard to swallow and struggled through the first three chapters of that book, oneday I might read it again and finish it.
Anyway, back to the topic in question. I see America was under attack again, and on the 11th anniversary of 911. Also Snoop Lion apparently endorsed Obama for a second term. I think he went to Jamaica and smoked too much ganja
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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 09/14/2012 : 12:18:16
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Thanks for the recommendations, Pot. I'm going to check some of those out.
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Posted - 09/16/2012 : 03:08:32
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np Armx3
News just in of the western allies and their great work liberating the women of Afghanistan. They just liberated 8 of them from their suffering lives
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19616356
Just a bit of collateral damamge...
Black bishop encourages christians to leave the democrat party
http://www.christianpost.com/news/black-bishop-encourages-christians-to-leave-democratic-party-79691/#82v8YcKybOJpUDME.99
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Bishop E.W. Jackson, a veteran of the Marine Corps and Harvard Law graduate, says the Democrats' enslavement of some Americans, most notably black Americans, is the modern day equivalent of slavery and his focus is to lead an exodus, similar to what Moses did in the Old Testament.
"Let God's people go," Jackson told The Christian Post in a telephone interview.
"Clearly, the Democratic Party is the anti-Christian Party in this nation. They reject the Bible, what Bible-believing Christians embrace and they encourage the growth of what we can a 'non-traditional' family. That is morally wrong and a disgrace to our nation and our Lord," said Jackson
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US Presidential Election 2012
