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vilainde
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 Posted - 03/27/2010 : 03:29:42
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You missed my point. I didn't say the musicians weren't good - that would be idiotic, the guys are credited on about half of my "oldies" record collection. I just say they sound like session players. The end solo of MLIIS is my favorite part of Honeycomb. I love that song. But it sounds like a great guitar player doing a great guitar solo, because that's what he was asked to play at that time of the record. Sorry about that, it's just my opinion. There are parts of FMRM where it's obvious that they're having a blast playing together. I know everyone hates the FMRM version of Dirty Old Town but that's one of these songs I'm talking about.
Anyone heard the Otis Blackwell tribute? Produced by Tiven, with the same kind of musicians. That record is far from perfect but it sounds like recording it was fun for everyone. I don't feel that way with Honeycomb. I'm probably wrong though cause Frank is constantly raving about that recording session.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 03/27/2010 : 03:35:49
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Originally posted by 1965
A fair chunk of FMRM was recorded during the Honeycomb sessions - and all was Produced by one J Tiven.
I think it is fairly obvious that is the case, it is a one-two punch. Not a particularly good one in some people's eyes, but one nevertheless.
April 2004, Nashville:
Honeycomb album +
Highway to Lowdown
Kiss My Ring
Where The Wind Is Going
Fare Thee Well
October 2004, Nashville II:
If Your Poison Gets You
Fast Man
Wanderlust
Seven Days
End of the Summer
Dog Sleep
When the Paint Grows Darker Still
I’m Not Dead (I’m in Pittsburgh)
Golden Shore
Down to You
Holland Town
September 2005, Nashville:
Raider Man
October 2005, Nashville III:
You Can’t Crucify Yourself
Elijah
Fitzgerald
Dirty Old Town
My Terrible Ways
Johnny Barleycorn
Sad Old World
January 2006, Los Angeles:
In The Time of My Ruin
It’s Just Not Your Moment
The Real El Ray
Don't Cry That Way
There's a clear improvement IMO. LA 2006 > Nashville Oct 2005 > Nashville Oct 2004 > Nashville Apr 2004. Not only in terms of songwriting but in terms of musicianship.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Ten Percenter
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Posted - 03/27/2010 : 08:51:48
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I don't think this review has been posted yet; apologies if it has:
http://www.blurt-online.com/news/view/3539/
The man of many names (and Pixies frontman) returns with yet another project, issued next week by Cooking Vinyl. The verdict? Though pleasantly chugging along on half a tank, it still sounds better than most bands gunning at full throttle.
By Jonah Flicker
The dust from the mid-2000s Pixies reunion has long since settled, but Black Francis/Frank Black/Charles Thompson keeps making records, deterred by neither nostalgia nor cash flow. This is mostly a good thing, as he recently proved with Grand Duchy, a dark, ‘80s-tinged project with his wife. NonStopErotik, however, while recorded with the charming, no-frills, one-take urgency of much of his late-‘90s work, pleasantly chugs along without gaining any real speed or traction.
Francis is joined by longtime collaborator Eric Drew Feldman, who laces tracks like the softer "O My Tidy Sum" and the floating "Rabbits" with a bed of ethereal keyboards that mark this is some of Francis' lightest work of the past few years. "Wild Son" is a straight-up Doors rip-off, an interesting but distracting song that feels out of pace with the rest of the album. But he flips the script in an unexpected and welcome move by infusing the Flying Burrito Brothers' "Wheels" with a driving rock beat and distorted guitars, making it more Ramones than lazy country rock. "Dead Man's Curve" finds Francis releasing cathartic, throaty howls over a trad-rock chord progression, further showcasing his love affair with the roots of rock and roll and his faith in the ability of a couple of layered guitars a drum kit to move the crowd. That's when the album reaches its simple peaks of pleasure, when it pogos minimally to power chords on songs like "Six Legged Man," one of the best tunes on the record.
Still, taken in the context of his lengthy and mostly admirable catalogue, NonStopErotik doesn't rank up there with Francis' best. "When I Go Down On You" may tinker with the cryptic Freudian psychosexual drama he repeatedly dealt with in the Pixies, but the album's visceral appeal lies in Stratocasters, not coitus. That being said, Black Francis running on half a tank still sounds better than most bands gunning at full throttle.
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Brank_Flack
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Posted - 03/27/2010 : 20:44:45
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Allmusic.com
3/5
An album of Black Francis songs inspired by sex might seem unexpected, but it’s never been a taboo topic in his music. Many of the Pixies’ best songs dealt with knowing someone in the biblical sense — literally, in the case of “Dead” and “Nimrod’s Son,” to name just two. It’s a given that an album of erotic songs by Black Francis won’t be the same as one by, say, Barry White, but even by Francis’ own standards, NonStopErotik deals with its subject matter as elliptically as possible. Rabbits, ferns, and other natural fertility motifs pepper these songs, most of which are reveries inspired by love and sensuality rather than anything raunchy. “Lake of Sin”’s title is the most risqué thing about it; “Nonstoperotik” is more romantic than erotic, with a sweet melody and limpid guitar solo that recalls Eric Clapton's “You Look Wonderful Tonight,” and “When I Go Down on You” plays like a hymn to intimacy rather than a mating call. Strangely, despite the album’s concept, it doesn’t hold together as well as some of Francis’ other solo work. NonStopErotik’s lush sound gives its songs a gauzy feel that works on its prettier songs, but not as well on rockers like “Dead Man’s Curve,” “Wheels,” and “Corrina,” all of which sound like they could have come from any other Black Francis/Frank Black solo album. Likewise, “Six Legged Man” is a typical but well-done rave-up and “Wild Son” once again connects sex and religion to trippy effect, but NonStopErotik does have moments where it rises above expectations. With strings, saxophone, and falsetto vocals, “Rabbits” is about as close to a quiet storm ballad as Francis is likely to get, while “Cinema Star” saves the best for last, delivering a hypnotic rocker that sounds more like Sonic Youth than his work with the Pixies or his solo career. Even if this isn’t some of Francis’ most striking work, it continues the more personal vein of songwriting he began exploring after the Pixies. NonStopErotik feels intimate in a way that proves he can still find daring territory going into the third decade of his career.
Rabbits, Six Legged Man, and Cinema Star are their selected songs
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hzfexz9sld0e
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Brank_Flack
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Posted - 03/28/2010 : 07:52:32
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Originally posted by coastline
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Originally posted by vilainde
I like the playing on FMRM but not that much on HC. To me on Honeycomb the guys sound like session players, whereas on FMRM they really seem to be having fun and put their heart in it.
There are some exceptions. The title track on HC is really good.
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say."
Jeez. Listen to the second half of My Life Is In Storage and tell me you don't think those guys are amazing. Steve Cropper's solo* to close the song is one of the most beautiful things in all of Frank's catalog. It makes me cry like a baby.
* I think that's Steve Cropper. Correct me if that's wrong.
And all of this for nuthin', after all my huffin' and puffin'.
That's wrong - Reggie Young i believe is playing that...
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
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Posted - 03/29/2010 : 05:41:00
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Two other scores, though the reviews are print only - which i dont have.
Mojo 8/10, Q 6/10
http://www.anydecentmusic.com/review/1652/Nonstoperotik.aspx
Really, in the end it doesnt matter. I mean, on metacritic Dog in the Sand has 73%, Black Letter Days 60%, Show Me Your Tears 71%, and Bluefinger 73, and all those albums are absolute classics to me.
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I hate how rolling stone mag gives everyone 3 stars. (atl east when i used to read it.) Frank black get's a 3 and they talk about how it's not a pixies album and then the owrst album you ever heard also gets three. wtf?
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/29/2010 : 06:25:24
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Did rolling stone give it a 3? Which is the 4.0 you're talking about?
Here's a positive one:
Black FrancisNonStopErotikAs a solo artist or with the Pixies, when you think of the music created by Black Francis, or his alter ego Frank Black, you think of its coiled intensity released into bursts of rock ‘n’ roll napalm. His latest, NonStopErotik, hits on all those elements from his previous recordings, making for 11 tracks of prime Charles Thompson. Sometimes, he goes lo-fi (the fuzz and volume overload on “Corrina”), occasionally placid (“Oh My Tidy Sum,” “Rabbits”) but always highly melodic (all 10 original tracks plus a cover of the Flying Burrito Brothers’ “Wheels”). The impact of his natural and unending musical gifts can be heard in the 25-second intro on opening track, “Lake of Sin” while fans of the Pixies should find a moment of pleasure in the ferocity of “Six Legged Man.”
Produced by Thompson and longtime collaborator Eric Drew Feldman the album seamlessly moves from electric thrash to acoustic tranquility and the areas in between, causing the numbers’ overall accumulation to develop into a roller coaster rush of sound. Accentuating this plan of attack, Thompson’s economic songwriting allows him to get out his sonic statement and immediately move on to the next number. In a move that would make the Ramones proud as most of the songs on NonStopErotik do not stretch past the three-minute mark. Although the music swings by in memorable and hook-fueled blasts, the lyrical ideas surrounding them focus on themes are nonstop erotic. For much of the album its in subtle ways, alluding to religion (“Lake of Sin”), animal instincts (“Rabbits”) and the thrill of auto-eroticism (the one-two punch of “Wheels” followed by “Dead Man’s Curve”). Although, he’s more direct on “When I Go Down On You” and the title track, there’s a certain romantic quality to his thoughts than mere lasciviousness. With his 45th birthday coming up on April 6, Thompson keeps middle age at bay with an album that achieves a comfortable middle ground, combining youthful energy with the mature songwriting developed over his adult years.
http://www.jambands.com/reviews/cds/2010/03/29/black-francis-nonstoperotik
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Timid Pimp
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Posted - 03/29/2010 : 17:33:51
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Originally posted by houstonguthrie
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I think the solo is by Reggie Young - I love it too.
Regarding "My Life Is In Storage" - that one was sort of getting the skip treatment from me until I heard him do it solo acoustic on a radio show. The way he did the ending just sucked me right in and made me give it another listen. It's totally different from the studio but has the same impact - a great coda!
It was on Minnesota Public Radio. I tried to find it on the internets to provide a link but can't come up with it - I have the MP3 file though
Here's the program with that version of "My Life Is In Storage":
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2006/11/03/frank_black/
And while you're there, he has one other archived appearance on that station:
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/07/10/black_francis/
Factoid: the interviewer for both, Mary Lucia, is the sister of Paul Westerberg. |
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FrequencyOfGlow
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 02:22:34
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 02:31:41
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It's on sale at BF.net for $12. No news about any single though.
Denis
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 05:35:44
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Who are these guys?
Denis
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Carl
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Somnambulist
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 07:06:30
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Listen to the second half of My Life Is In Storage and tell me you don't think those guys are amazing. Steve Cropper's solo* to close the song is one of the most beautiful things in all of Frank's catalog. It makes me cry like a baby.
Agree 100%. The solo on "My Life is in Storage" destroys me. FB has a way of giving you a completely different song (usually in the opening) that I sometimes wish he would stick with or spin off as a reprisal a la Golem. But then again I wouldn't change a thing.
BTW, just picked up NSE and, like most of his stuff, I'm having a hard time enjoying it. I really like the title track and Cinema Star. The rest will surely grow on me.
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 10:00:39
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I liked the Zeitgeisty review you posted - it got 8.8/10 and an essential rating, here's an excerpt:
NONSTOPEROTIK is Black Francis’ best album since his 1994 masterpiece “Teenager of The Year”.
Somehow, he’s found his writing chops again producing a diverse set that alternately moves, slinks and blasts the listener with the inventive melodic shifts and turns of phrase that have made him one of the most influential and greatest tunesmiths of his generation.
I just ran around town hunting for a copy, and I have it in my hands now! I'm just waiting for a phone call and then i'll be ready to listen.
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 12:04:01
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Well, this is wonderful. Not only do we get The Golem and NSE within a few weeks of each other, but they're both terrific, and NSE is getting really good press, to boot. All the waiting, all the anticipation, has been rewarded. Good grief this makes me happy!
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 12:08:05
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Just spent my lunch hour rushing to my local music shop to pick up nonstoperotik. My plan as always was to wait until after work (5 frickin hours away!) and rush home and pop it into my stereo.
I couldn’t wait.
I ripped it open in my car and listened to it on my drive back to work. Got through Lake of Sin, O My Tidy Sum, Rabbits, and Wheels when suddenly the official studio recording of Dead Man’s Curve kicked in. Oh my lord, I was grinning a BIG grin when he let out an old school Frank scream on maybe I’ll kick it about half-way through. Then it started flying for me…the wild and weird and wonderful Corrina tore through my (near blown) car speakers followed by a frenzied Six Legged Man. These last two could easily be escapees from the TOTY dimension…great stuff! I haven’t had the chance to hear the remainder as I got back to work. And I can’t wait!
I don’t know why, but Lake of Sin bugs me. Maybe it’s his “siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin”…O My Tidy Sum is marvelous, and Wheels has great guitar stuff going on. It’s definitely stamped with Eric Drew Feldman and is sonically super-duper! Oh lucky day! I can’t WAIT to get home!!!
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 14:02:09
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Wow, I've listened to it 4 times now and it's a great album! It flows so well and sounds like they really put care into it and considered things closely. Naturally it took me a few spins to "get" some songs, but now they've all gelled really nicely, except for When I Go Down On You, which i could grow to like. I know I initially didnt like the song nonstoperotik but having had it for a while, and having it click, its such a lovely little song. Dead Man's Curve, Corrina and Six Legged Man are such a potent 1-2-3 punch of rockers - Corrina, which i hadn't heard before, is so damn catchy! Holding the album in my hand and seeing all the art together, i really like the packaging and art even though I had previously criticized it. Damn, what a great and sexy album!
(God, I sound like such a fanboy but then again I guess I am)
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MajorKey
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 17:12:34
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| I just ordered it online. There are 3 Best Buys in my area and none of them stocked it. I've always gone out on release day and usually have no trouble finding his latest CD. But Tower is long gone, Borders doesn't have it, and I knew better than to waste my time at Target. Life would be so much easier if I had lousy taste and only listened to the latest Top 40 crap. End of rant. In a few days NSE will be delivered to my doorstep and all will be well in the world once again. In the meantime I've got a lossy download of the album to tide me over till the physical CD arrives. |
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windupbird
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 18:18:26
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 20:05:43
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
I don’t know why, but Lake of Sin bugs me. Maybe it’s his “siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin”…
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Gotta agree, something sets my teeth on edge about that siiiiin, and not in a good way... yet. I can't count the number of FBF songs that I didn't get at first but grew to love the most...
NSE is awesome. What a great album. It definitely feels like a return to some kind of even keel, even though it is a bit of a roller coaster. Lots of falsetto on this one, which I love. What a varied set of tracks!
A few early first (and likely to change) opinions of a few tracks:
If it wasn't at least mildly intentional, it's even weirder/cooler, but O My Tidy Sum sounds like an REM song that never was. I swear to god it sounds like it should be right smack in the middle of New Adventures in Hi-Fi. I'm no REM-Head (only a Blackhead), but I can dig some Stipe and Co. Sum is a great track.
I think I've heard Dead Man's Curve too many times so this version is kind of washing over me a bit for now.
I fucking love Corrina - definitely my favorite at this point. I dig when Charles dusts off that strained, weird, nasal vocal tone on 'too-oo-hoo' ala 'with the bally-hoo-oo-oos'...
Six Legged Man kicks ass, reminds me of everything awesome about TOTY..
I'm a little... I don't get Wild Son yet I guess.
Nonstop is absolutely gorgeous. The most beautiful song in the catalog IMO.
Cinema Star seems like a return to that album ending track vibe that was established on FB&tC with The Man Who Was To Loud, continued sort of on Dog with If It Takes All Night (second to last), Skeleton Man on Pistolero (same deal), etc.. Just a good old fashioned happy-ass rock song. Can't go wrong, and that style always puts me in a good Tom Petty kind of mood, even though Cinema Star doesn't really fit that mold. Just feels the same to me.
Damn I wish that riff that kicks off Lake of Sin had more to do with the actual song, it really kicks ass. Anyone else smell some Jimmy Chamberlain/Billy Corgan on that drum/guitar combo?
Overall, I'm thrilled with this one, which is great for me. The FBF albums that I love the most have given me the same initial vibe as this one has.
Go Charles! Let's see if we can squeeze a few more releases into 2010!! 
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 22:16:53
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FB records used to get released earlier in Europe than in the USA. Ah, good times...
Denis
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Grotesque
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 23:14:46
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
NONSTOPEROTIK is Black Francis’ best album since his 1994 masterpiece “Teenager of The Year”.
I see it more that way:
NONSTOPEROTIK is Black Francis’ best produced album since his 1994 masterpiece “Teenager of The Year”.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2010 : 23:27:18
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
I liked the Zeitgeisty review you posted - it got 8.8/10 and an essential rating
Yeah I like that review too. I fully agree with that part: "There is no stand out track on the libidinously titled “NONSTOPEROTIK”. That doesn’t make it any less enjoyable per se, it just means that the album must be taken as a whole, as is I’m guessing, is the author’s intention."
... which makes me wonder why BF chose to leak songs one at a time. I have the same feeling about FB&TC. Nothing I'd rank among Frank's best songs (except AMG), but the album as a whole is much greater than the sum of its parts.
Grotesque: I don't usually agree with what you write but I think your remark (re: production) is spot on.
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> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 00:08:59
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Originally posted by Grotesque
quote:
Originally posted by Brank_Flack
NONSTOPEROTIK is Black Francis’ best album since his 1994 masterpiece “Teenager of The Year”.
I see it more that way:
NONSTOPEROTIK is Black Francis’ best produced album since his 1994 masterpiece “Teenager of The Year”.
A lot of boys just notice girls when they wear SEXY clothes.
EDF certainly is a smart collaborator. The production finish feels like stained glass and will make the album timeless.
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Ziggy
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 02:45:48
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 04:08:59
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| Got mine yesterday down at the record shop, the guy at the counter made some crack about Frank singing about sex, which seems to be quite a common concern for a lot people think of sex the same way they did when they were watching Madonna videos in the late 80's. I think the packaging of the album is the most beautiful and sleek thing he's ever released and that is also true about the production. The cover is really interesting with the frames and the narrative aspect of it, I've been thinking about it since I got it. The songs are fantastic, as always, but one thing that I simultaneously like and dislike about CT is that he doesn't write many songs that feel personal or express personal emotions, and this album seems to be an exception. It all feels very personal except maybe Six Legged Man, Wheels, Corrina, and in a good way, ("pardon my cliche" Frank asks in NSE.) |
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
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USA
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 05:49:08
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I went to the record store yesterday, even tho i'm super busy moving cuz i had to get the album. I got the last copy. apparently they only had two. and this is one of the biggest record stores in portland, OR. where he is from. lame. i immediately went straight to when i go down on you.
I love how the beginning of the first song starts off different than any other album or song of his. my fave songs so far are: lake of sin, rabbits, dead mans curve, corrina, six legged man, wild son, and cinema star. corrina reminds me a dirtbombs song. give me a few days and i will tell you which one. o my tidy sum and rabbits (as mentioned before) are two of his most mellow songs ever. it's a great contrast to songs like six legged man. there were almost a dozen things i noticed on this album that sounded different from anything he has done before. very refreshing. and not forced.
still love the title when i go down on you.
thanks charles! and eric drew feldman!
ps. i'm working on a song called "when charles goes down on me."
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 05:50:04
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and i wanted to say. all of the critics dissing him about when i go down on you are just jealous that they don't have as good as a sex life as him.
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