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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
450 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  00:41:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's the screaming on Can't Break A Heart that does it for me, sends shivers up my spine. Apart from that I think it's a pretty dull song, reminds me of early Blondie.

Godspeed
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kelladwella
= Cult of Ray =

Germany
729 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  03:16:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I won't (can't) get into the clash-of-(rock-)culture discourse, but I think it rocks pretty hard. Not too complex maybe, but hey! it's rock, no? It's a decent little ditty, imo. The screaming is wild! Franks energy is there. And he has a nice crescendo going on to get there.

The only thing I don't fancy too much is that the whole song rises a semitone for a more dramatic effect, and not once but twice. Whats that called again?

Edited by - kelladwella on 05/24/2007 04:43:03
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mikaelp75
- FB Fan -

131 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  04:00:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That rising is my favourite bit of cheese. Excellent hollering on top.
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fbc
-= Modulator =-

United Kingdom
4903 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  05:01:30  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kelladwella

The only thing I don't fancy too much is that the whole song rises a semitone for a more dramatic effect, and not once but twice. Whats that called again?


modulation?
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kelladwella
= Cult of Ray =

Germany
729 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  05:15:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Found it on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulation_%28music%29

Phrase (direct, abrupt) modulation
Phrase (also called direct or abrupt) modulation is a modulation in which one phrase ends with a cadence in the original key, and begins the next phrase in the destination key without any transition material linking the two keys. This type of modulation is frequently done to a closely related key -- particularly the dominant or the relative major/minor key. A common device in popular music, the "truck driver's gear change" or "Star Search modulation," is an abrupt modulation, usually to the key a semitone above, typically used to provide an "emotionally uplifting" finale.


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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <

USA
2950 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  05:16:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Where in the song does this happen, kella?


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kelladwella
= Cult of Ray =

Germany
729 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  05:22:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Damn, I'm not near my iPod right now. It happens at least twice during that song. I think it's at the beginning of the verses. Can't tell where exactly at the moment but will try to post that later if noone does in the meantime.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
2001 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  06:59:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I still think CANT BREAK A HEART...is pretty much one of the shittiest things I've ever heard.

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His name is Dalton. He's got a degree in philosophy.
-bRIAN
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kotvana
- FB Fan -

Israel
99 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  07:24:18  Show Profile  Visit kotvana's Homepage  Click to see kotvana's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
All these 5's and 3's and 0's... Are you a true fan? or maybe.. a music critic?.. I could never mark/grade FB songs less than, let's say, 8, for every song he ever created (OK, except maybe I'M NOT DEAD, which is 6-7). He has so much talent that it's impossible for him to write a 5's and 3's and 0's songs. And especially saying for those energetic, full of insipration and desire songs of Bluefiner. (es, You Can't Break a Heart and Have It is simply AMAZING.
No one in the world can scream with so much expression.

quote:
Originally posted by TRANSMARINE

Captain Pasty - 9
Threshold Apprehension - 6
Test Pilot Blues - 10
Lolita - 5
Tight Black Rubber - 9
Angels Come to Comfort You - 8
Your Mouth Into Mine - 8
Discotheque 36 - 9
You Can't Break a Heart and Have It - 0
She Took All the Money - 7
Bluefinger - 3


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His name is Dalton. He's got a degree in philosophy.
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mikaelp75
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131 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  08:38:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by coastline

Where in the song does this happen, kella?


Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.



Where the shouting starts, (after the) second chorus. You'll notice when the key changes twice and the screaming gets more intense.

Without it the song would still be a very nice "circle song" a la Lou Reed's I Love You Suzanne, but that part is what makes me want to hear it live in Holland this summer.
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morgan
- FB Fan -

USA
51 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  08:58:24  Show Profile  Visit morgan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I gotta say, 'You can't break a heart' is one of my faves on the record. I prefer the Frank Black version because it's got his signature yelping in there... but I think the original is really damn good, too.


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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
2001 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  10:47:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kotvana

I could never mark/grade FB songs less than, let's say, 8, for every song he ever created


How thoughtful of you!

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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <

Papua New Guinea
3124 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2007 :  14:07:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You can't blame Charles for the modulation, it's all Brood. Brood famously sung My Way so has everyone made the connection with Bluefinger's title track? Like it's a more personal version of My Way that Brood might have sung. Youtube of the kitsch video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K1fRY9Oe8U

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Ed is the hoo hoo

Edited by - trobrianders on 05/24/2007 14:11:20
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <

Papua New Guinea
3124 Posts

Posted - 05/29/2007 :  18:36:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kfs

Maybe Dan and Jason were part of Dunmore.

Or...maybe their names aren't really Dan and Jason.

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I've seen blue you've never seen

The latest tidbit from Harp Magazine courtesy of fbc
http://harpmagazine.com/news/detail.cfm?article=11268

Bluefinger was recorded in Portland, OR, with drummer Jason Carter (Guards of Metropolis), Violet Clarke on vocals, and bassist Dan Schmid (The Visible Men). Mark Lemhouse produced the album. http://www.marklemhouse.com/ for more news.

And http://bluefingerpics.blogspot.com/ for even more.

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Ed is the hoo hoo

Edited by - trobrianders on 05/29/2007 19:06:02
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awestruck
= Cult of Ray =

USA
377 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2007 :  14:09:46  Show Profile  Visit awestruck's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I thought there was a thread somewhere about Violet, but I am just going to say this about her.

I love her voice. She adds so much to Bluefinger and I wish I could find out more about her. She just seems so interesting.


Maybe I will grin but I won’t bear
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =

France
777 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2007 :  15:21:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To that kistsh debate around "heart" and Brood, that have already been discussed, I'd like to add that the "My Way" you said Brood covered, before being a respectable Sinatra song, is written by Claude François, maybe the kitshest french singer.
Just to know, is somebody like Springsteen considered kitsh ? I meen, to a french rock fan, Springsteen or Steven Seagal it's about the same.

Edited by - Grotesque on 06/03/2007 15:27:30
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

USA
5406 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2007 :  15:29:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was intrigued and went to wikipedia. It claims that the lyrics to My Way were written by Paul Anka and were unrelated to the François lyrics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Way_(song)

PS Springsteen isn't kitsch.

Edited by - darwin on 06/03/2007 17:10:18
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <

USA
2950 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2007 :  15:52:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My great-grandmother babysat Paul Anka. And Springsteen isn't kitsch.


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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <

Papua New Guinea
3124 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2007 :  17:10:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My friend Oona babysat Björk. Grotesque, check Kundera's L'insoutenable légèreté de l'être for an eye-opening definition of kitsch. Springsteen? I guess so.

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Edited by - trobrianders on 06/03/2007 17:15:33
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johnnyribcage
= Cult of Ray =

USA
772 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2007 :  17:33:07  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This has probably been mentioned already, but did anyone else notice on the youtube video of herman brood (link below, hope it works) when he's on the train, right after he blows a line he laughs and exclaims, "Amazing, it works!" He's also wearing black leather in the shot.
Again, sorry if this has already been mentioned and I just missed it. If not, check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo2gQ0nvfRQ&mode=related&search=

I love this part... Yeah, we did it!

Edited by - johnnyribcage on 06/03/2007 17:36:56
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =

France
777 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2007 :  19:49:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by darwin

I was intrigued and went to wikipedia. It claims that the lyrics to My Way were written by Paul Anka and were unrelated to the François lyrics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Way_(song)

PS Springsteen isn't kitsch.



That's right, the melody is exatly the same but the lyrics are completely different, unlike The Sea, wich is from Charles Trenet and already had good lyrics.
Hey I realize Sinatra had an obsession on french singers...
By the way, does anybody except me thinks Wave of Mutilation is a secret cover of The Sea? Hum, OK guys, back to topic, pretend nothing happend...
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =

USA
918 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2007 :  22:38:21  Show Profile  Visit Jefrey's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TRANSMARINE

I still think CANT BREAK A HEART...is pretty much one of the shittiest things I've ever heard.

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His name is Dalton. He's got a degree in philosophy.
-bRIAN



I like it. And I'm gonna have Dalton take out your knee.

== jeffamerica ==
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =

France
777 Posts

Posted - 06/04/2007 :  16:39:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by TRANSMARINE

I still think CANT BREAK A HEART...is pretty much one of the shittiest things I've ever heard.

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His name is Dalton. He's got a degree in philosophy.
-bRIAN



Listen, you show me the post where you were saying the same thing before knowing it was NOT a Frank Black song and I send you a free Pizza (hum, let's say a virtual one).
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johnnyribcage
= Cult of Ray =

USA
772 Posts

Posted - 06/04/2007 :  18:31:15  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TRANSMARINE

I still think CANT BREAK A HEART...is pretty much one of the shittiest things I've ever heard.

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His name is Dalton. He's got a degree in philosophy.
-bRIAN



Apparently you haven't tuned into your local top 40 station in the last ten years. Or watched MTV. Or went out to a dance club. Or heard the new Who album... I could go on...

I love this part... Yeah, we did it!
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DrBone
- FB Fan -

98 Posts

Posted - 06/19/2007 :  14:40:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not that I would be interested... But if one wanted to find Bluefinger on the net, where might one look?
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1729 Posts

Posted - 06/19/2007 :  14:57:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
*cough* tried google, buddy?

edit: actually, it's kinda hard to find. sorry.
it was everywhere a month ago.


"Give me two days, and woman I will make you a girl."

Edited by - mr.biscuitdoughhead on 06/19/2007 14:58:51
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DrBone
- FB Fan -

98 Posts

Posted - 06/19/2007 :  15:23:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Trust me, there's been a lot of searching going on, to no avail.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11546 Posts

Posted - 06/29/2007 :  13:13:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
phillyBurbs.com.

"Bare Jr., who recorded The Pixies' “Where is My Mind” for “Meow,” lent
his skills to Pixies leader Frank Black's solo effort “Bluefinger,” which
will come out in September."


This is a mistake, I take it?! Or did BB Jr. play on Bluefinger?!

Edited by - Carl on 06/29/2007 13:16:02
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <

USA
2950 Posts

Posted - 07/06/2007 :  06:44:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Remember the apprehsension/apprehensive question in the discussion of the "Threshold Apprehension" lyrics? After watching this vid from Toulouse, France, I'm certain now that it's "apprehensive." (Which means I was wrong.)


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MyVoxInYrPrison
- FB Fan -

8 Posts

Posted - 07/07/2007 :  14:32:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Tight Black Rubber" is about scuba diving
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
5183 Posts

Posted - 07/08/2007 :  02:51:40  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Just listened to Brood's Shpritsz, and he had some great songs.
You can't break a heart and have it is good in my opinion.

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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
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cptnpasty
- FB Fan -

Ireland
120 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2007 :  08:27:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
sorry if this has been covered, but have we had a definitive answer on whether what we've heard in advance of release is pre-production or the finished article?
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <

USA
2950 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2007 :  08:31:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's the cover art (taken from madtempest's post in another thread)




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kempes
- FB Fan -

Ireland
49 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2007 :  15:44:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am relieved to hear people say this album is a return to form, I thought FMRM was poor by FBs standards. Must now get a copy ...

Kempes
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <

4698 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2007 :  16:41:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i find the song bluefinger probably one of the catchiest songs on the album... i listened to it just before a week in spain with no access to music and i just kept singing it to myself.

i love the way the verses plod along

i don't need a do not... disturb.. me sign
the manager here.... is a friend... of mine

and the kind of lazy guitar playing, which is actually very skillfull.

also, what does "I'm a jumping jack to this thing on my back" mean? it sounds cool.
"Idiot" is just her sig.

Edited by - PixieSteve on 07/12/2007 16:45:06
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