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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
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 Posted - 04/22/2007 : 04:39:06
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It's common practice to release multiple editions these days, especially singles. Part I, Part II and/or Part III ~ with one bonus song on each. It happens all the time. RHCP even had the audacity to release a "new" single off Stadium Arc with exactly the same B-sides as the previous single.
Anyway, if FB can sell a few more records in the process, then all is good as far as I'm concerned. At least they're physical CD's too and not iTunes/digital ilk.
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2007 : 10:13:54
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The three editions thing is cool, but my bank account wont think the same.
Anyway the eupean setlist with Bullet is the best, so I'll buy it at home and try to contain myself.
But... haargh... DeadMan's "Full Band" Curve ?!?! What a temptation!
Ben, do you have any clue if the album with Eric Drew Feldman (and a Deadman Curve's final studio version) could see the light of the day in this life or the next one ? It begins to look like a second SSMVGD, a FB ghost album, and I hope it wont be that way. |
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mikaelp75
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Posted - 04/22/2007 : 19:01:37
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I'm not too sure the pressing itself is more expensive (marginally perhaps, hardly twice as), but if nothing else the mechanical royalty (paid to the songwriter/s) will be higher. I certainly hope the moguls aren't being cheap at Frank's expense.
(Slightly related: In the early eighties RCA released lots of greatest hits packages with their country artists stateside as 7-track-maximum LPs. Really short, LP price, as little money to the writers/artists/publishers as possible. When they were reduced to Special Price the royalties were cut even more, which is standard, so that within months of release the label's profit per LP was almost exactly as big as a normal new 10-12 track release but the artists and writers made next to nothing. Luckily they didn't sell very well, lots of records had to be destroyed and the label stopped the policy.)
I'll buy the Euro edition and download the other stuff to burn a "full" bonus cd.
Also, when I toured Japan, a guy at my record company said that the official story of bonus tracks because of imported cd's being cheaper was only half the story. It would be easy for Japanese labels to print abroad and compete, but there is such a huge export market for bonus track fanatics that sometimes they'd rather sell fewer expensive records at home, save the storage space and make more money on exports. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
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Posted - 04/23/2007 : 09:03:59
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You toured Japan ? Are you a member of Deep Purple ?
No, without kidding, did you loose a lot of money doing it? |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2007 : 15:49:31
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I played in the Budokan once. It was violin with like 4000 Japanese kids, but still pretty cool. The smell of Cheap Trick was still in the air.
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mikaelp75
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Posted - 04/23/2007 : 17:32:56
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You toured Japan ? Are you a member of Deep Purple ?
No, without kidding, did you loose a lot of money doing it?
No, the record company paid for the flights so that we could play these three showcase kinda gigs. Pizza Of Death's Punk Rockers Ball they called it. We did pay a little to stay in hotels a couple extra days, though. It's a different universe for sure. |
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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
799 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2007 : 16:47:17
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Originally posted by Frog in the Sand
Oh, and while I'm at it:
- US/Canadian edition:
Deadman's Curve
Raiderman
My Terrible Ways
I'll Be Blue
Johnny Barleycorn
Ten Percenter
Dog Gone
The Swimmer
Suffering
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BLACKOLERO le only Frank Black / Pixies site 100% in français
Do you (or anyone else) know which tracks are on the Japanese edition?
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madtempest
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 08:07:47
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FYI - the press release below was distributed this morning to approximately 3800 national, regional and local, print, broadcast and online media.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
FRANK BLACK'S "BEST OF" TO BE RELEASED JUNE 12
Los Angeles, CA - April 27, 2007 -- "Frank Black 93-03," a chronological anthology of FRANK BLACK's work covering the Pixies' front man's nine solo albums recorded during that time period, will be released in the U.S. on June 12 through Cooking Vinyl. The two-disc set will include a bonus CD of live tracks recorded during Black's Fall 2006 North American tour, as well as a brand new BLACK FRANCIS track, "Threshold Apprehension," which is taken from his forthcoming "Bluefinger" album, due for release in September.
According to Black, "There is totally a narrative arc to my solo career. "It sounds trite, but in basic language this is what's happening on these songs: it's me breaking away from the Pixies and finding myself as a solo artist, finding a band again and forging that together, then losing it and my marriage, and finally getting my obsession with two-track recording out of my system. It's a total arc.
"As compilations go, it has less in common with 'The Best of Blondie,' 'The Beatles 1962-66,' The Beach Boys' "20 Golden Greats,' and 'Rolled Gold' than it does the best of The Residents. I felt a little sheepish when my manager suggested a Best Of: I'm not exactly known for my hit records. But then, I didn't get into this to have hits. I did it to be a maverick, to be underground, to be part of that world as opposed to the Top 40 world. I wanted to be an artist and a musician, not to get invited to parties. It's about being true to yourself.
"But I've got a big back catalogue, and so for the uninitiated, 'Frank Black 93-03' is a good place to start. It just sounds like a regular Frank Black album because all my records are schizophrenic in tenor - fast song, slow song, country song, punky song. Although it's boring to say, 'I think it's very representative of who I am as an artist', it really is!"
The live tracks on the "Frank Black 93-03" bonus discs were recorded October 27, 2006 at Mr. Small's in Pittsburgh, PA, and at the Distrikt in Regina, SK on November 6, 2006. Along with Black on guitars, featured players include guitarist Duane Jarvis, bassist Eric Drew Feldman, and drummer Billy Block. the bonus disc on the European and Japanese packages, to be released June 4 through Cooking Vinyl, will each contain a different track listing (see below).
But wait, there's more. Using his early-Pixies-days nom de rock Black Francis, his September will see the release of a brand new album, "Bluefinger," which was inspired by Dutch painter Herman Brood. That album's first single, "Threshold Apprehension," will be available not only on "Frank Black 93-03," but as a digital download beginning May 7, and then released as a limited edition 7" single and digital download bundle beginning May 25. More details on "Bluefinger" to be announced shortly.
As Black Francis, Boston-bred Black was one of the architects of modern rock as front man of the Pixies, whose "loud-quiet-loud" dynamics, primal scream intensity and free-ranging compositional style exerted a huge influence on alternative music. His solo recordings as Frank Black demonstrated his artistic restlessness, embracing alternative pop and avant-garde rock with equal fervor; he continued exploring this territory with a new band, The Catholics, for several years before journeying to Nashville to create 2005's critically-acclaimed "Honeycomb" with producer Jon Tiven. In 2006, he re-teamed with Tiven for the more intense, upbeat "Fast Man Raider Man," working with such illustrious players as Memphis guitar icon Steve Cropper, The Band's Levon Helm, Al Kooper, Cheap Trick's Tom Petersson, Steve Ferrone of The Heartbreakers, Simon Kirke of Bad Company and Free, songwriter P.F. Sloane, Buddy Miller, Spooner Oldman and Chester Thompson, not to mention his touring companions Block and Jarvis.
A complete track listing for the 2-CD "Frank Black 93-03" is as follows:
Disc One:
Los Angeles (Frank Black, 1993)
Ten Percenter (Frank Black, 1993)
Czar (Frank Black, 1993)
Old Black Dawning (Frank Black, 1993)
Abstract Plain (Teenager of the Year, 1994)
Calistan (Teenager of the Year, 1994)
Speedy Marie (Teenager of the Year, 1994)
Headache (Teenager of the Year, 1994)
Freedom Rock (Teenager of the Year, 1994)
Men In Black (The Cult of Ray, 1996)
You Ain’t Me (The Cult of Ray, 1996)
I Don’t Want to Hurt You (The Cult of Ray, 1996)
All My Ghosts (Frank Black and The Catholics, 1998)
I Gotta Move (Frank Black and The Catholics, 1998)
Bad Harmony (Pistolero, 1999)
Western Star (Pistolero, 1999)
Robert Onion (Dog In The Sand, 2001)
Hermaphroditos (Dog In The Sand, 2001)
Velvety (Devil’s Workshop, 2002)
California Bound (Black Letter Days, 2002)
Massif Centrale (Show Me Your Tears, 2003)
Manitoba (Show Me Your Tears, 2003)
Disc Two
North American Live Track Listing:
Deadman’s Curve
Raiderman
My Terrible Ways
I’ll Be Blue
Johnny Barleycorn
Ten Percenter
Dog Gone
The Swimmer
Suffering
European Live Track Listing:
Bullet
Nadine
CPL593A
Living On Soul
Burnt Out Rock ‘n’ Roll
Been All Around the World
Six Sixty Six
Horrible Day
(Do What You Want) Gyaneshwar
Japanese Live Track Listing:
Ten Percenter
Deadman’s Curve
My Terrible Ways
I’ll Be Blue
Bullet
Nadine
CPL593A
Living On Soul
Suffering
I Burn Today
I’m Nod Dead (I’m In Pittsburgh)
Sing For Joy
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Broken Face
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yingguoguizi
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 07:06:43
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 09:45:46
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What in the hell is I Don't Want To Hurt You doing on there?!
I love this part... Yeah, we did it! |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 10:24:23
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2007 : 12:17:58
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
^haha i completley agree, i could do without you aint me as well
It seems this best of doesnt care much about the fans opinion.
Maybe because thy're already fans!
If you read between the lines (or between the tracks), the songs choosen paint FB's as a "wanted-to-be-on-the-radio-but-it-didnt-work" guy rather than what the "original-songwriter-who-doesnt-care-to-sell-or-not" that he probably really is. No ? |
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yingguoguizi
- FB Fan -
China
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 08:57:45
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The thing is it's hard to have any FB "best of" which would be ultimately the fans' opinion. I mean have you seen the other thread where people pick their own "best ofs". They're all completely different. I think overall It's a strong tracklist.
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If you read between the lines (or between the tracks), the songs choosen paint FB's as a "wanted-to-be-on-the-radio-but-it-didnt-work" guy rather than what the "original-songwriter-who-doesnt-care-to-sell-or-not" that he probably really is. No ?
I don't how you can get that from it. I mean Best Ofs are going to be radio friendly, and I think we know that it's "worked" for FB- hence a "best of". |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2007 : 09:12:27
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Originally posted by yingguoguizi
The thing is it's hard to have any FB "best of" which would be ultimately the fans' opinion. I mean have you seen the other thread where people pick their own "best ofs". They're all completely different. I think overall It's a strong tracklist.
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If you read between the lines (or between the tracks), the songs choosen paint FB's as a "wanted-to-be-on-the-radio-but-it-didnt-work" guy rather than what the "original-songwriter-who-doesnt-care-to-sell-or-not" that he probably really is. No ?
I don't how you can get that from it. I mean Best Ofs are going to be radio friendly, and I think we know that it's "worked" for FB- hence a "best of".
I get that from the fact that all the singles are there. But forget about the singles, after "headache" they never worked as singles,not even "Men in Black"! They had their chance once, now get the great unknown songs like "cheap away boy" to the light !
And no, I dont think the fans best of were all completely different, they just had different selections cos FB made a lot of songs. But they were all choices from the heart. If one day FB says he chose the best of songs himself, OK, i'm totaly wrong. But it do feels more like a record company selection. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 09:46:47
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Several singles aren't on there. "Hang On To Your Ego" (a video was even made for this), "Dog Gone", "St. Francis Dam Disaster", "Nadine", and "Everything is New" were all bonafide singles, released in stores. ("The Marsist" was a single, too, in Germany, at least.)
Not that I have a problem with the tracklist. It looks fine to me. It's a big catalog to draw from. I don't think the official "best of" is any worse than any of the 600 fan-compiled tracklists I've seen here.
Also in that long press-release where Frank comments on all of the albums, several of the songs he mentions as favorites of his own are on the Best Of, so I'd say that supports the notion that Frank himself had plenty of input on this release. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2007 : 10:14:26
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Originally posted by Jason
Several singles aren't on there. "Hang On To Your Ego" (a video was even made for this), "Dog Gone", "St. Francis Dam Disaster", "Nadine", and "Everything is New" were all bonafide singles, released in stores. ("The Marsist" was a single, too, in Germany, at least.)
Not that I have a problem with the tracklist. It looks fine to me. It's a big catalog to draw from. I don't think the official "best of" is any worse than any of the 600 fan-compiled tracklists I've seen here.
Also in that long press-release where Frank comments on all of the albums, several of the songs he mentions as favorites of his own are on the Best Of, so I'd say that supports the notion that Frank himself had plenty of input on this release.
That's right, and the single "All my ghost" is missing too.
Frank says "I really like You Aint me" but for most of the others it's more a little explaination, like "It's me trying to write a straight love gone bad song like Costello" or "It's me trying again to write a love gone bad song". That best of should be named "Frank Black goes Lovegonebadsong".
OK, he loves Massif Central.
But so do everybody! The problem is more the two lovegonebadsongs. |
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yingguoguizi
- FB Fan -
China
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 10:31:44
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originally posted by Grotesque
I get that from the fact that all the singles are there. But forget about the singles, after "headache" they never worked as singles,not even "Men in Black"! They had their chance once, now get the great unknown songs like "cheap away boy" to the light !
And no, I dont think the fans best of were all completely different, they just had different selections cos FB made a lot of songs. But they were all choices from the heart. If one day FB says he chose the best of songs himself, OK, i'm totaly wrong. But it do feels more like a record company selection. [quote]
not all the singles are there, as Jason pointed out.
I understand what you mean about letting some of the hidden greats come to light on this "best of", but the different selections of many other fans only shows that it would be too difficult to put other album tracks that would be universally accepted as his "best". overall you've gotta say that it's a fair representation of his work, even if you don't agree with some selections yourself.
I would like to know who made the selections. |
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Daisy Girl
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 18:11:46
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My local station 89.3 the current had a nice little plug about the best of today. The DJ said she had an announcement about one of her favorite artists and then talked about the best of... pretty cool.
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2007 : 13:32:14
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Originally posted by yingguoguizi
I would like to know who made the selections.
I bet one milion err... ants on his new agent.
Some say he's english.
Austin Powers? |
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yingguoguizi
- FB Fan -
China
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Posted - 05/02/2007 : 06:05:24
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originally posted by Grotesque
I bet one milion err... ants on his new agent.
Some say he's english.
Austin Powers?
Who knows, I find it strange that Frank says his favourite album is Devil's Workshop but there's only one song from it on there. My money's on the record company.
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
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Posted - 05/02/2007 : 13:09:13
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Originally posted by yingguoguizi
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originally posted by Grotesque
I bet one milion err... ants on his new agent.
Some say he's english.
Austin Powers?
Who knows, I find it strange that Frank says his favourite album is Devil's Workshop but there's only one song from it on there. My money's on the record company.
And Black Fucking Letter Days!!! Almost a double album! Almost everybody thinks it is one of his very best albums.... One SINGLE SONG !!!
A possible explaination: it's a quite recent release (well, less than 10 years), and this could explain that. |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 02:02:50
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A 'Bset of' I comped for a friend. Sixteen songs off sixteen albums.
Los Angeles (Frank Black, 1993)
Pure Denizen Of The Citizens Band (Teenager of the Year, 1994)
The Cult of Ray (The Cult of Ray, 1996)
The Man Who Was Too Loud (Frank Black and The Catholics, 1998)
I Think I'm Starting To Lose It (Pistolero, 1999)
Living On Soul (One More Road for the Hit)
The Big Hurt (Snake Oil)
Man of Steel (Oddballs)
The Swimmer (Dog In The Sand, 2001)
21 Reasons (Black Letter Days, 2002)
Heloise (Devil’s Workshop, 2002)
Jaina Blues (Show Me Your Tears, 2003)
(Do What You Want) Gyaneshwar (Christmass, 2006)
My Life Is In Storage (Honeycomb, 2005)
In the Time of My Ruin (Fast Man Raider Man, 2006)
Your Mouth into Mine (Bluefinger, 2007)
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 02:29:54
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nice selection, sometimes a bit odd (Jaina Blues?) but it can work!
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Czar
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 05/14/2007 : 19:55:25
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OK, here's another article about the Best Of and BF. I did not know where to put it.
Pixies’ Front-man Prepares Solo Anthology
Pixies front-man Frank Black (aka Black Francis) is set to release a 22-track retrospective this summer. The aptly titled Frank Black 93 - 03 will encompass ten years of Black’s post-Pixies career, featuring the best material from his nine solo albums.
The two-disc set, due out June 12 via Cooking Vinyl, will include a bonus CD of live tracks recorded during Black's fall 2006 North American tour, as well as “Threshold Apprehension,” a brand new track taken from his forthcoming Black Francis debut, Bluefinger, due for release in September.
"There is totally a narrative arc to my solo career," Black said in a statement. "It sounds trite, but in basic language this is what's happening on these songs: it's me breaking away from the Pixies and finding myself as a solo artist, finding a band again and forging that together, then losing it and my marriage, and finally getting my obsession with two-track recording out of my system. It's a total arc.”
Black will be heading out on tour in Europe in support of Bluefinger on June 15.
http://www.exclaim.ca/articles/generalarticlesynopsfullart.aspx?csid1=110&csid2=844&fid1=25562 |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2007 : 14:31:36
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Well, it's a pretty good tracklist.
Fixes..well, "I Don't Want to Hurt You" is kind of mawkish and time hasn't been very kind to it. Two songs from COR should do it I'd say--despite its kick ass quotient. Frank has a plethora of fantastic meloncholy folky songs, but definitely should have chosen one from his late period Catholics work to demonstrate this--the COR period certainly was more of a rockin punk period for Frank. Hermaphroditos and Bad Harmony are both great hard rock songs, but sort of straight forward and less full of subtlety than Billy Radcliffe and Bullet, which would have both served the comp better. Replace for IDWHY...San Antonio TX or Everything is New.
THAT SAID. Am I the only person vehemently against all this "2 disc" best of stuff where the first disc is an intro to his work and the second disc is esoteric fanboy stuff? I know it makes sense from a marketing stand point, because then you get new fans and hardcore fans both buying it...but it would have been awesome to give Frank a 2 disc set of straight up A-list material and simultaneously done a raraties disc that the hardcore fans would gobble up on the side. A 2 disc best of for Frank would allow him to deliver all the expected classics, but also some room to breath, you can practically hear him suffocating having to choose 1 or 2 songs from the last 5 albums. |
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/19/2007 : 15:05:22
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I don't mind the two disc stuff, but what I don't like is having different versions of the bonus disc.
"The arc of triumph" |
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
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kfs
= Cult of Ray =
USA
889 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 07:11:22
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Thanks OLDMANOTY!
That's very cool!
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 08:23:21
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This might be the first non-single release of FB's that I don't purchase.
I have all the discs and a 9 song live set is not that compelling really.
Am I the only one? |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 08:54:42
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quote:
Originally posted by Dallas
This might be the first non-single release of FB's that I don't purchase.
I have all the discs and a 9 song live set is not that compelling really.
Am I the only one?
No. I won't be buying it either. I do like the cover art, but I can look at that on my computer screen anytime I want. Anyway, I prefer FB albums, not compilations, so I have no interest in buying this thing.
 Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 09:13:08
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I won't buy it either.
"un jour tu connaitra cette detresse de pres ou de loin, je peux te le jurer" - Ofabsis |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 09:41:04
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I don't mind throwing Frank Black some of my pennies and pounds. I'm going to buy it, maybe I'll pass it on to someone else as a present.
(and that CV website (though a strat than a tele? tut tut!) is pretty fly for a white guy) |
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kfs
= Cult of Ray =
USA
889 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 09:45:02
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I AM going to buy it.
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 09:57:50
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| I'm buying it. I'm pretty much a collector (of the music), though. Without the bonus disc, I might've been on the fence. With it, this is a must for me. |
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The Best Of Frank Black (1993-2003) - June 4th!
