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allison
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USA
22 Posts

Posted - 04/01/2006 :  22:34:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"the stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone".
Bossanova is Black Francis' Pet Sounds.

pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/02/2006 :  05:08:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, I wouldn't say it's his best but it definitely seems to be underrated.

"The arc of triumph"
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =

Canada
11520 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2006 :  08:11:43  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah, probably the most underrated Pixies album. My honest feeling is that Bossanova and Doolittle are about even in terms of sheer awesomeness. Many of my favourite songs come from Bossanova.


"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
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chineselover
= Cult of Ray =

Ireland
348 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2006 :  08:42:25  Show Profile  Visit chineselover's Homepage  Reply with Quote
i never even knew that bossonova was underrated untill i came upon this forum and started reading posts about bossonva... until then i was blissfully unaware that some people did not think that bossonava was a fantastic album, like i do..
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
5174 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2006 :  11:59:18  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by allison

"the stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone".
Bossanova is Black Francis' Pet Sounds.




I agree


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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~

Belgium
15320 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2006 :  12:01:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chineselover

i never even knew that bossonova was underrated untill i came upon this forum and started reading posts about bossonva... until then i was blissfully unaware that some people did not think that bossonava was a fantastic album, like i do..



ditto.


Iím the only one who can say that this light is mine
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toeknee
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
281 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2006 :  12:27:04  Show Profile  Click to see toeknee's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I could listen to the first 6 songs on repeat for days, but after that I think it goes downhill, apart from maybe The Happening. I usually skip Dig For Fire and Down To The Well, and the inclusion of Stormy Weather and Blown Away, b-side material even if enjoyable, shows that maybe the great man was beginning to run out of ideas.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =

Canada
11520 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2006 :  12:28:26  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Blown Away as b-side material?!?!?! One of my favourite Pixies songs of all time! Dig for Fire is great too. You so crazy!


"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2521 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2006 :  12:43:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think individually the tracks are some of the best Pixies songs there are, but when listening it just doesn't seem as much like an album as Surfer Rosa or Doolittle. The tracks just don't seem to follow each other as well as other albums. I don't know. Maybe that's just me...
Also, I tend to skip over 'Hang Wire' alot. It sort of seems like a weak link in the album. But again, it's all just opinions really...


"The arc of triumph"
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2521 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2006 :  13:23:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually, I'm listening to the album and I was probably wrong about 'Hang Wire'. I forgot how good it was. I change my mind too easily!

"The arc of triumph"
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Levitated
= Cult of Ray =

Chile
652 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2006 :  15:29:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My favorite album too, but that version of Down to the Well is not the best :(
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ccuadros
* Dog in the Sand *

Chile
1312 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2006 :  07:04:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you want to hear a good concert from this era, go here:

http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14737&whichpage=27

enjoy!
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Broken Face
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USA
5127 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2006 :  07:28:03  Show Profile  Visit Broken Face's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The album would be timeless if not housed in the trendy production of the era - too tinny and processed for my ears.

But GREAT songs

-Brian
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Niue
7308 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2006 :  07:34:47  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Might be my least fave Pixies record, but what does that mean? I'm not the hugest fan of Blown Away and Hang Wire, but the rest is ace.


Denis

I love Guitar Wolf from the Erath!
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
2222 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2006 :  08:17:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, I love this album. The production doesn't put me off in the slightest. The only shame, as with all the Pixies records, is that they're mastered too quietly.

Edited by - Ziggy on 04/06/2006 09:01:41
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ccuadros
* Dog in the Sand *

Chile
1312 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2006 :  08:35:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For me, it's the best Pixies record.

Saludos
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
5174 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2006 :  09:46:59  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
The best pop record ever


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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =

France
1970 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2006 :  10:24:10  Show Profile  Visit The Holiday Son's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Bossanova has always been my favourite Pixies record hence my favourite record ever.
I'm glad it gets credits here and I'm tired of Bossanova and Trompe being labelled as minor compared to surfer and doolittle.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11534 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2006 :  18:18:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Every mornin' and every day...

pas de dutchie!
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soundofataris
= Cult of Ray =

USA
715 Posts

Posted - 04/07/2006 :  08:42:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All Over the World makes this album for me.

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i try to be mallory but i'm still skippy
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =

Canada
11520 Posts

Posted - 04/07/2006 :  08:51:33  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Amen, Ataris. Such a great song, I especially love the end.


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Holy Fingers
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USA
149 Posts

Posted - 04/08/2006 :  06:42:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bossanova is a very well-rounded album. This album seemed to be the most relaxed in its overall tone and dynamics. Whereas Come On Pilgrim, Surfer Rosa and Doolittle BARELY offered the listener a chance to breathe, Bossanova has plenty of oxygen. It also houses one of my all-time favorite songs, Hang Wire. This song has a razor-sharp lead guitar and a sense of urgency matched only by songs like Isla de Encanta, Vamos and Alec Eiffel.


"When you've done something right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Blackhead
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28 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2006 :  21:46:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pixies got better with age... I like a handful of Surfer Rosa/Come on Pilgrim songs, but for me the Pixies didn't take off until Doolittle (and from there, they just continued to get better).

If Doolittle's 5 (if Doolittle's 5, if Doolittle's 5),
then Bosanova is six (Bosanova is six, Bosanova is six);
and if Bosanova is six, then Trompe is seven (then Trompe is Seven. then Trompe is seven)
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jamjamski
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Poland
2 Posts

Posted - 04/21/2006 :  14:23:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Listen "stormy weather" it is brilliant. Bossanova really good pop rock music. Hey blackhead - nice idea. I love PIxIES
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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
646 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2016 :  01:36:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Happy birthday Bossanova! 26 today
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =

France
527 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2016 :  10:21:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Blackhead

Pixies got better with age... I like a handful of Surfer Rosa/Come on Pilgrim songs, but for me the Pixies didn't take off until Doolittle (and from there, they just continued to get better).

If Doolittle's 5 (if Doolittle's 5, if Doolittle's 5),
then Bosanova is six (Bosanova is six, Bosanova is six);
and if Bosanova is six, then Trompe is seven (then Trompe is Seven. then Trompe is seven)



Exactly
Pilgrim is 3
Surfer is 4
Doolittle is 5
Bossa is 6
Trompe is 7

and Pilgrim at 3 is already 10/10

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"Aristophanes! (gong sounds)"
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pot
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
2371 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2016 :  11:59:00  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stevio10

Happy birthday Bossanova! 26 today



Never forget buying that album, or hearing it in what used to be a record shop in Dumfries (now Farmfoods). Or listening to it on the train back from Glasgow in 1991 the day after the legendary fuck up gig.

The only album I have ever bought on tape, CD and vinyl. Still got the CD.

Flatmate decided to pour beer on my tape copy one night. CD was later. Vinyl copy was from a charity shop a few years ago, now sold with all my vinyl because I lost money on poker.
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pot
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
2371 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2016 :  12:00:31  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgmbfXld3z8
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <

4698 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2016 :  15:07:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone else group these three songs:
Is She Weird
All Over The World
The Happening

As a bit more proggy, longer, more space to try things out, a few different parts to them, more thought about the arrangement, also quite moody songs, with a strong 'feel' about them.

Then there are a bunch of dreamy, spacey and simpler songs:
Ana
Blown Away
Stormy Weather
Havalina

Then some of the rock, pop, let's have a blast songs:
Cecellia Ann
Rock Music
Velouria
Allison
Dig For Fire
Hang Wire

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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1159 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2016 :  20:02:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll place Is she weird in the 3rd category. Did you notice Joey plays a different "lead" part on each chorus. 1st same as rythm part. 2nd solo. 3rd bends. Joey does that on a few other Pixies songs (Sad Punk for example). I really like those leads.

All over the world & The hapenning are epic rides. AOTW ending is mesmerizing.

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"Service Unavailable"

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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <

4698 Posts

Posted - 09/10/2016 :  00:07:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
you're right about is she weird. as i was describing the category i realised it didn't quite fit it. but to me there is still something slightly... 'weird' about it which sets it apart for me

nice observation about the guitar

Edited by - PixieSteve on 09/10/2016 00:11:17
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Sprite
= Cult of Ray =

665 Posts

Posted - 09/10/2016 :  04:36:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic



All over the world & The hapenning are epic rides. AOTW ending is mesmerizing.

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"Service Unavailable"



There's that great quote from Bob Mould on Trompe le Monde (the song) saying there's more creativity in it than many bands discographies. I feel that same about AOTW, the ending was spine-tingling the first time I heard it in that late summer in 1990 and still makes me feel exactly the same all these years later.
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Fitzy
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Portugal
38 Posts

Posted - 09/10/2016 :  10:55:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sprite

quote:
Originally posted by picpic



All over the world & The hapenning are epic rides. AOTW ending is mesmerizing.

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"Service Unavailable"



There's that great quote from Bob Mould on Trompe le Monde (the song) saying there's more creativity in it than many bands discographies. I feel that same about AOTW, the ending was spine-tingling the first time I heard it in that late summer in 1990 and still makes me feel exactly the same all these years later.



Wasn't the Bob Mould quote about the first four songs from TLM? Not that Trompe Le Monde (song) isn't brimming with creativity. Either way, he was right.

'All Over The World' also has that neat trick FBF used to do, which was start with a chord progression, then go off in a tangent mid-song, and then, somehow, end the song with the first idea (kind of like comedians, trying to tie earlier jokes at the end of a set, the human brain seems to respond favorably to that sort of thing), either with the exact same chords, or same chord progression but in another key.

This type of songwriting from FBF, which he mainly did in his early work (I don't remember anything similar to this "technique" after 'Living on Soul')?), has always amazed me, thinking how talented the guy is, and hearing the songs now, they still manage to give me chills because it always trips my brain, and I start "Wait, what?", even if I'm half-expecting it. 'I Bleed' is another example. Still don't understand what they're doing on that one.
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
1520 Posts

Posted - 09/10/2016 :  10:59:28  Show Profile  Visit hammerhands's Homepage  Reply with Quote
"I don't remember anything similar to this "technique" after 'Living on Soul"

Massif Central

Edited by - hammerhands on 09/10/2016 11:01:04
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Fitzy
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Portugal
38 Posts

Posted - 09/11/2016 :  11:34:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yup, forgot about that one. Great song, too.
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2016 :  08:22:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:

'All Over The World' also has that neat trick FBF used to do, which was start with a chord progression, then go off in a tangent mid-song, and then, somehow, end the song with the first idea (kind of like comedians, trying to tie earlier jokes at the end of a set, the human brain seems to respond favorably to that sort of thing), either with the exact same chords, or same chord progression but in another key.


AOTW is one of those Pixies songs that never seems to get any recognition - it, Rock Music & Hang Wire are the highlights of Bossanova for me.

I remember when Bossanova came out it wasn't very warmly received (not dissimilar to IC's reception a couple of years ago) - the nokimnodeal people tend to forget details like this. Admittedly I was disappointed at the time - it sounded a bit lightweight, too smooth & insubstantial to me after what had come before. It remains my least favourite 'classic' Pixies album but I appreciate it far more now than I did in 1990.

Edited by - OLDMANOTY on 09/12/2016 08:36:54
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