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ProverbialCereal
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 Posted - 07/03/2003 : 22:26:12
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Originally posted by El Barto
Perhaps Dave and I should help out in the decision making process to make it slightly more democratic? What do you think?
I suggested a democratic decision making committee a while ago, but Dean sent me a threatening email warning me not to pursue my idea or he'd continue sending me threatening emails. Did I make this up? You may never know.
I actually thought about that today, COF- if you would put your own on there. I was thinking (in case you have low self-esteem and think your song sucks when it really doesn't) the people with titles (dave, el barto, me, mereubu, etc.) could download it and judge it. But it would probably be hard since we couldn't here all the other songs. Still, we may think it's really good or something and should be on the tribute.
It's way too late and I think I'm typing out more words than nessesary to get my point across.
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2003 : 22:27:04
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I hate when my posts start new pages on the threads!!!
-Derek |
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Zipperrock
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 23:38:45
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Everyone needs to lay off Dean. This was his project from the start and he makes the decisions guys. Give the man the space and credit he deserves. I can't believe he even had the time to submit his own song with all the work surrounding such a project.
Not to continue "whining", but we need to not talk about a Pixies tribute. This one is not done yet, so it sounds like you've already given up on promoting it. Last time this happened with a successful artist, Lennon put out that horrid noise album with Yoko that was recorded over the course of 1 night :) Have a little pride in our current job before you move on to the next one, don't be like Kim :) Just kidding. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 23:52:12
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Well, the part about suggesting a committee made up of the FB.Net "higher-ups" is definitely true. The rest, well, I only THREATENED to threaten to send threatening emails. Actually, there was no threatening involved, but just to stop the inundation I've already begun receiving in the email, no, I don't have the time to coordinate or set up a committee to produce the album, whether by a series of painful back-and-forth emails or, as Jim suggested in his email to me, a chat or something less painful. Certainly not in time for Monday when the final tracks are sent to be mastered, and I have no interest in delaying the project further.
I know that everyone is anxious to have their say on things, and I can't say I blame you. But in the end, we'd agree on a few of the obvious must-include tracks, some of us would agree on some of the could-go-either-ways, and then there'd be a lot of disagreement on the rest. Because it's an opinion based thing. As I said here before, you've known all along that I was putting this together, you've trusted me to do all the work this far to get to the state we're at, so trust me to make the right creative decisions now that it's finally come to that.
Will everyone agree with all my choices? Nope. Would that be any different than if a committee were to choose? Nope. But that's what my job is to do, and I plan to do it. In the end, it's really not that huge of a deal: all the tracks are available for download, the only distinction being A4C working his magic, being listed in a separate directory, and on the art, so those who strongly disagree with every single choice I've made to date can still take the fruits of my (and your) labour and make their own CD with their favourite songs, etc.
Is it late? Yes. Am I tired? Yes. Am I coming off as grumpy? Probably. Not intentional, I know all of you have your hearts in the right place, and I thank all of you who've emailed me asking to help in the decision process, both last time this was brought up and again this time, but this is what I was chosen to do so I will do it that way. Admittedly, I'm not the only one listening to these tracks, since I have been reviewing the tracks with Speedy M and I expect that A4C will also have some opinions to offer. If you don't care for this method, I suppose I understand, but the results will hopefully justify your trust. Please just be patient, the CD will be done before you know it (as long as I don't keep writing these long posts). :)
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 23:54:40
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| Oh, and Derek, I appreciate the offer to have a listen to my track... I'll talk it over with Speedy M, though I suspect that if we were uncomfortable submitting it onto the CD itself, we certainly would not be wanting to put it on the CD even at someone else's suggestion. I will put the instrumental version on the FTP, though, if we can't get the vocals done to our satisfaction, so you'll still get to hear it if you're so inclined. |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/04/2003 : 00:35:36
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i am sorry I am a dumbass everyone
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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miguel
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 07/04/2003 : 04:17:13
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Is there a final list of submitted tracks somewhere or is that top secret? :)
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2003 : 06:20:15
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Yeah, can we get a list of the songs that were actually submitted?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2003 : 06:45:40
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| Sure, I'll post that Sat. morning at some point. |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2003 : 09:15:23
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Yeah, this debate over who should decide is pretty silly. The only difference between "The Chosen" and "The Not-So Chosen" will be the distance of a few pixels between the two folders on the FTP site. Shit, if you guys like the way my mastering turns out, I might offer to master some of the "Not-So Chosen" ones as well. Everyone will get the chance to hear all of the submissions and decide for themselves. I know I'm going to listen to all of them.
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2003 : 09:30:42
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Originally posted by Zipperrock
Everyone needs to lay off Dean. This was his project from the start and he makes the decisions guys. Give the man the space and credit he deserves. I can't believe he even had the time to submit his own song with all the work surrounding such a project.
My post about him sending me a threatening email and all that stuff was a complete joke. Damn internet! I did in fact suggest a committee a while ago, but like COF just said, it would be hella confusing and chaotic to discuss +40 songs over the internet with 3, 4 or however many people. I mean, even going back and forth with just 2 people seems like a hassle, so one person might as well chose the songs. Dean has done and is still doing a fabulous job, and with the work he has done so far, I don't see any reason to not trust his final decisions. As opposed to my last post, this is not a joke, and yes, I am kissing up to Dean so he picks my song. just kidding.
Now, time to finish mixing my song!
-Derek |
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switchy
- Gigographer -
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Posted - 07/04/2003 : 11:02:20
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| ok, i just uploaded my "there goes nadine" with the new vocals. also the little joke/metal cover i did of "dog in the sand" a year or so ago. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2003 : 11:50:45
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i uploaded my remixed white noise maker with new vocals. I brought up the drums some in the mix. I think the vox might be a little lower than before, but that might be because i raised the drum level. Also this version is 4 seconds shorter because I got rid of a couple seconds of silence in the beginning.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2003 : 12:31:15
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| Great, I'm looking forward to getting home and giving them a listen. Stupid work. And I appreciate the understanding from all of you. Thank-you. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 07/04/2003 : 12:58:02
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| Well, it looks like things may happen, if the man from U.N.C.L.E. can come through for us. The songs sound great so far fellas and phillys, congrats to everyone who finished/will finish a song. I haven't heard your new one yet Derek, but I think a raised drum level will certainly make a difference, and I'm interested to hear your new vocals. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 07/04/2003 : 14:18:26
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Dean, did you happen to listen to my version of parry the wind?
It's pretty the same as the original, but in my defence we hadn't had any time and recorded it in 2 hours maximum (with the other guys never heard the track)
''it's not a box, it's a submarine'' |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2003 : 17:10:55
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| I did but I'd need to hear it again to comment on it... I have vague recollections of some vocal distortion (intentional, I'm pretty sure) in various places, but I can't even guarantee that that is your track. I have to work after work tonight and then get home and record vocals for our track, but I'll try to listen to it again tonight and fire you off an email. |
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Kingmob999
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Posted - 07/04/2003 : 18:43:19
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| Im uploading my version of how you went so far tonight, and let me tell you guys that it has been a nightmare getting it finished. I just had a baby 5 weeks ago, and let me tell you, when people say that you have no time, you really dont. I like the song a little bit. I at least like the instruments and instead of putting out two versions (jazz/rock) i just put a little jazz outro in the end which sounds quite good actually. Well, Im glad I could make(barely) the second deadly. thanks----neil |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2003 : 20:57:07
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| Hey everyone. Its 11:49 in the PM here, Friday night, and I am uploading my cover of "Speedy Marie" at this very moment. The recording turned out...alright. Not as good sound quality as I would want it to have, but what can you do when your equipment is limited? Nothing. Still, I'm pleased with the overall cover (if not the actual recording quality of it) and I hope you all enjoy it as well. |
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miguel
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2003 : 21:08:19
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| I know how you feel neil... I have a 15 week old and it doesn't get any easier. It was a challenge for me too to meet the deadline. We used to be able to just put him down wrapped up in a blanket and he was good until he got hungry.. now he's like a monkey. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2003 : 22:41:19
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looks like you two should have collaborated on Baby, That's Art.
(also looks like i made stupid joke)
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 01:57:50
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| So we spent from 10:00 until 3 AM (i.e. now) on it, but I think that these vocals are finally pretty decent. Of course, I haven't mixed them in and everything yet, but a rough listen sounded pretty tasty. I'll do up a list sometime tomorrow when I shut down the FTP. No going out for me tonight, but I did say I'd leave it until tomorrow morning, I suppose. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 07/05/2003 : 09:22:32
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Everything looks like it's under control. Keep on truckin' everyone!
I'm cool with Dean making the decisions himself. Maybe we can change this for the Pixies CD. All songs will be available, so no worries.
As for a page outlining this, good thinking, and will do, especially since this will be an on-going project i bet... |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 10:08:55
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Great, Dave... I'll forward you the information/credits as soon as I can take it from all these different sources and compile it somehow. It could have the cover art on there somewhere, and it'd be nice to have contacts on there as well, maybe a web form like you do for the web team since nobody wants to have their email address spidered and put on every mass mailing list known to man. Of course, the official track listing would have to be on there, stuff like that.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 07/05/2003 : 10:09:44
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| Oh, and it seems you all wanted a final tracklist of submissions. I think I'll just go back and edit the track list under the CD Details thread... this may take awhile. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 11:05:32
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| Whew... there it is. Now to get those speakers turned up. |
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Zipperrock
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Posted - 07/05/2003 : 11:32:48
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If there will be a seperate page for this project, I volunteer my design skills to make it. I had some cool ideas on how to present the whole cd. I figured a page for the final tracks, a page for the "b-sides", a credits page, and a board for visitors to discuss tracks.
Lemme know what everyone thinks. If i get a green light i'll toss up a rough draft. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2003 : 12:58:52
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Looking over the list of those submitted vs those selected, I notice some songs submitted that weren't listed before. How can you let this happen!?!?
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Edited by - El Barto on 07/05/2003 13:12:35 |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 13:21:33
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I'm not sure what you mean by selected, as that list is simply the list I have on my computer and the actual CD track list (or selected list) won't be published for some time, but assuming you are comparing the list of committed people to the list of actually submitted tracks, then have no fear. As you know (and were pushing for, as I recall, despite my objections to deadline extensions), we extended the deadline to roughly a week past the initial one. That list that remains there has SOME of the people who came in after the first deadline, but I got tired of going back to it and stopped updating it. Therefore, there are people missing on that top list. Additionally, as you also know, I received many, many emails (often three or four per person - it adds up) from MANY people, and I admit that some got lost in the shuffle. Some of these people caught that their name was not on the list immediately, and others did not catch it until it was too late. However, since it was my error in not counting their email (I still had a copy, but again, with so many emails it's easy to miss a few), I took them in after the second deadline because they had been in contact with me prior to it and I had dropped the ball.
I agree with you about after-deadline submissions being a bit unfair to those who worked to get their song (or even choose a song) before the deadline, but there was perhaps one case where someone was brought in after the deadline, and that was for extenuating circumstances. I have turned down probably another 30-40 people wanting to sign up after the deadline (at least from being on the CD, and I'll tell you it doesn't give me the best feeling in the world to do it), the most recent of them was this morning, believe it or not. In the end, I'm happy to have sparked so much interest and gotten so many people more involved in our little community and in this project... that was the goal of the deadlines in the first place. But you have nothing to worry about, as I said, because I have been quite faithful to my deadlines. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 13:33:51
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You can change my band name "saint koopa" back to just my name, Derek Olson. I decided I don't need to use that name which i came up with in 5 minutes. Unless it's cool. ha. it really doesn't matter actually. you probably have more than enough work to do in these hours.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 21:47:40
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| 'tis done. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2003 : 10:36:58
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So speedy m, how 'bout leaking the tribute songs?
-Derek |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 07/07/2003 : 10:43:00
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I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe if I cracked Dean's refridgeration cooled super-ftp server, some coolant would leak on his carpet. Is that what you want? I hear they have to pump your stomach when you drink that stuff....
the system, is down. the system, is down. the system, is down. the system.... |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2003 : 13:27:10
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How's the selection process going, Dean? Are your ears going to fall out yet? Will you have the selections done today, and if so, are you planning on posting the list today or post-mastering?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 07/07/2003 : 14:15:48
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Well, I spent about 90% of the last three days on compilation related activities, and I'm pleased to say that the selection process is mostly done. In fact I currently have narrowed to 20 tracks which says a LOT about the quality of the tracks I've received from everyone. I've been wanting to reduce that number to 18, and I plan to look at it once more tonight, but I don't think I'm going to. Admittedly, all of you will need an 80 minute CD as it doesn't fit on 74 mins, but I feel a lot more comfortable with that then cutting a deserving song from the remainder.
So, long story short, IF I keep the 20 and don't pull out two tracks so it fits in 74 mins and is a little shorter, than I have actually finished the selection process as well as the track order. If not, then it will be done tonight and there will be 18 songs.
As for posting the list, I had originally intended to leave it until post-mastering, but putting myself in your guys' shoes, I'd want to know as soon as possible. So I think I probably will post that list soon, unless anyone has objections and would rather wait until all the tracks are finished mastering. Speak now or forever hold your peace. It's a pretty exciting little collection, and I am actually craving listening to the tracks again, but alas I'm stuck at work and my sister gets back from Europe this evening. I have to say that you all did a fantastic job and I'm quite blown away by the quality of many of these tracks. I heard the Breeders tribute CD a while back, and without any slight to the people involved with that, this one blows it out of the water. Put simply: I would buy this CD. Even though I have every MP3 on my computer, and have listened to them to death and have heard many of them in various stages of development, I would buy this CD.
Sorry, I'm ranting, but I'm very excited about the result of our work and I hope that you all enjoy it as much as I have been. A lot of work for all of us, but well worth it. So, anyway, as far as posting the list, I'm leaning toward yes, and I'm leaning towards tonight or maybe in a few days just so you're not all hounding Tim to get his work done. :)
As for the page design, Zipper, I'm going to send an email to Dave & Ryan because Dave is in control of final layout, and I think that Ryan should have first dibs at doing the page since he is the project artist. If Dave is okay with it (I'm sure he will be, but will probably reserve the right to make some changes to the final version for continuity reasons, etc), and if Ryan is okay with having someone else do it, you can get started on that right away.
I'll be in touch soon, let me know what you think about having the list in advance. |
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