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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
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 Posted - 07/02/2003 : 17:00:59
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Dean, should I redo my vocal track? personally, i don't like it, and it was kind of a last resort track to make sure i had something by the deadline. Also let me know if i should change anything in the mix (low/high end, etc.). I actually mixed that and burnt it to a CD as sort of a test, not knowing I would use it as the final one.
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 17:11:08
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| The spoken vocal part at the end may be distorting; too much sibilance. Other than that, your cover sounds pretty great on first listen. |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 17:15:41
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I was, of course, talking to Mike.
So Dean, what is AfC gonna do with the chosen tracks mastering-wise? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 18:14:00
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The sibilance was in the original as well, and the louder one is definitely better sounding, though it brings me to Chris' question. Mostly, AfC is going to be getting all the levels sounding samey (not using normalization, but other techniques in his bag or tricks). Other than that, maybe a little EQing, etc, though I wouldn't even promise this. It will probably vary from song to song, but obviously we don't want to change your submission too much. Mostly just make the album sound as cohesive as possible.
Oh, and Derek, I'd say that it's great level-wise though maybe the drums could come up a little bit - in particular the kick. The vocals are sitting at a pretty good place, though. I might try a rerecord with your vocals... parts sounds pretty good, but there's the occasional time when you're holding a note and almost forget to switch to the next one and it comes in a bit late. However, as I said to Jim, they're decent as is and if you'd like to leave them then that's fine too. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 19:48:43
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| Mine are decent! yay! As long as they aren't nauseating or overly annoying...I want to re-record! How many tracks are going to make the "final" "official" "album"? |
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switchy
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 20:08:08
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| Thanks for the feedback on my tune, Dean (though it was emotionally devastating.. jk). I can't raise the vocals, as i recorded them live with the guitar. but what i think i'll try is recording another vocal track over everything. hopefully i'll have this new version uploaded by Fri. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 20:16:27
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| I'm not sure on the track count yet, it'll be a balance of quality vs getting as many people on as possible, but I suppose I always had a number in the 10-15 range in my head, so that works out to about half the covers I guess. |
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Zipperrock
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 21:52:29
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I don't want to offend anyone but I sense a bit of procrastination on the part of a few individuals. We had about a week and a half to arrange, record, master, and upload, which we had done in 6 days.
You guys are on your way to being real rockstars, taking 15 months to record 10 songs that only last 40 minutes together :)
Good Show Gentlemen. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 21:53:21
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ok. thanks, Dean. about the drums... they are keyboard drums. could you tell? I'll be amazed if people are tricked into thinking they are real. lol. I could bring them up but I'm so hesitant because I know the real source of them. I add alot of FX and stuff to get them sounding decent. if you heard them straight up, you'd probably laugh at them. I'll try and remedy the bass drum being too low, because I think you are right about it.
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 21:56:45
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Originally posted by Zipperrock
I don't want to offend anyone but I sense a bit of procrastination on the part of a few individuals. We had about a week and a half to arrange, record, master, and upload, which we had done in 6 days.
You guys are on your way to being real rockstars, taking 15 months to record 10 songs that only last 40 minutes together :)
Good Show Gentlemen.
If Dean were paying us all, we'd probably all be done by now.
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Zipperrock
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 23:45:59
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 05:11:34
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Originally posted by ProverbialCereal
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Originally posted by Zipperrock
I don't want to offend anyone but I sense a bit of procrastination on the part of a few individuals. We had about a week and a half to arrange, record, master, and upload, which we had done in 6 days.
You guys are on your way to being real rockstars, taking 15 months to record 10 songs that only last 40 minutes together :)
Good Show Gentlemen.
If Dean were paying us all, we'd probably all be done by now.
-Derek
derek did you ever try fruitloops? i just got it with my soundcard, and used it on my song. i mean of course you can still tell that it isnt real drums, but i think it sounds pretty decent. just at thought
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 07:19:11
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Oh yeah? Well I eat fruitloops for breakfast.
Seriously... with milk and a little bit of strawberries so that it has some redeeming nutritional value.
Actually, I can't stand fruit loops, but you can imagine...
As for paying you, the cheques (read: bill for services rendered) are in the mail. Look forward to it. |
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Zipperrock
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 10:23:35
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Fruity Loops 3 is awesome as long as you know how to use it right, and not use any of the drums that come with it.
If you guys go to google and search for drum samples, you can find whole sets for free. Or you can do what I do and phsyically sample a real set so it is really convincing. I've gotten close enough on my sets that they sound just like "Without a Sound" by Dinosaur Jr. or "In Utero" by Nirvana.
You can get a really dirty sounding rock drum set and programming will wash over the noticeble loops. |
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eugovector
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 10:27:46
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| I'd say that Dean has been more than gracious with his payment of the material on the FTP site. Play time's over procastinators, time to rock and roll. We can always make tribute cd number two. |
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Zipperrock
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 11:13:57
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| *rock sign* to eugovector! |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 11:39:11
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Originally posted by mdisanto
derek did you ever try fruitloops? i just got it with my soundcard, and used it on my song. i mean of course you can still tell that it isnt real drums, but i think it sounds pretty decent. just at thought
-miked
at first i seriously thought you were talking about the cereal because of my screen name.
I've never used any drum loop programs like that. I know nothing about them actually. How do i record them (loops) over songs? I told you I don't know anything about them.
As for Fruit Loops the cereal, I can't stand them.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2003 : 12:13:29
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| I may have been instrumental in misleading you, though I assure you it was purely intentional. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 12:54:03
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Arrgh..death to Fruity Loops..
Funny Dean. =P
Chances are i won't get a cover done in time...we'll see tho. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 13:46:06
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| frankblack.net tribute #2 will be a Pixies tribute, if we go through with it. I'm already thinking about which song to pick. Dean, I'm going to try to get an alternate recording done by tommorow. If I don't, I can definitely finish it Saturday, which is past the deadline, yes, but if you decide you like my song enough to make it a keeper (the check is in the mail, btw ;)), we/I can pick between the two...yes? |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 13:49:32
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Good noose... I am fixing up white noise maker. I laid down a moore gooder vocal track and I will bring up the drums in the final mix. Also I might add some delay stuff to the vocals here and there.
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
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2953 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2003 : 13:55:00
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Originally posted by El Barto
frankblack.net tribute #2 will be a Pixies tribute, if we go through with it. I'm already thinking about which song to pick.
Yeah.. I have a song in mind too, though I realize this song might be one of the more popular choices if the pixies tribute materializes. I recorded an acoustic/electric version of it and it sounds pretty cool. It's more lazy feeling and I tuned down half a step. I'd probably add some percussion stuff to it though. After all this, I'm not going to tell you which song it is!!
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2003 : 13:57:21
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If it's "Where Is My Mind?" I'm going to punch you! Not because I want to do that song, but because everyone and their brother has covered it. I'm thinking of "Into the White" cause I love that song so much.
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eugovector
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 14:01:13
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| If we are calling Pixies material, sign me up for letter to memphis. It's my current fav. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 14:04:34
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| It begins... |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 14:26:09
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Originally posted by El Barto
If it's "Where Is My Mind?" I'm going to punch you! Not because I want to do that song, but because everyone and their brother has covered it.
Where do you want to punch me? Yeah, I was thinking to myself: "everyone has covered this song and it gets old real fast hearing covers of this song." I recorded a half-acoustic version of it (as well as a few other songs) for an acoustic album for my girlfriend, and wasn't gonna use WiMM?, but my acoustic broke while recording this "album" and I had to salvage the acoustic track from "where is my mind?" to have enough songs. I think it's pretty cool because I added some cool electric guitar stuff over it. Now, since I have already recorded it, I might want to pick another pixies song just so I have a challenge to take on.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 14:27:17
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Hahaha! That's hilarious man...
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 14:28:26
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| Should I turn the bass drum up in my recording and re-upload? |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 14:30:27
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Also, it seems like SOMEBODY has to cover Where is my Mind. I probably wont end up doing this song, but I'll probably throw it in the "b-side" section because I think it's better than AT LEAST half of the 43 cover versions i've heard of this song.
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 18:26:48
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So I can upload my remixed version of White Noise Maker tomorrow (Friday) and that will be cool? Hypothetically, I could finalize the mix and upload it tonight, but I have been working on it for the last 3 hours and I'm tired of hearing it so I'd rather let it settle, and make the final mix tomorrow afternoon.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 18:51:27
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Woah. I just completely re-recorded the entire song in a matter of hours. I'm working on the mix and I'll have it completed and sent by tommorow. It's *much* better if you ask me.
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Bohemoth
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 21:09:15
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| If we are calling song for a pixies tribute I must have nimrods son |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 21:34:16
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Well, we will leave the official beginning of the Pixies CD for the moment and a different thread. Who knows, after this one is done you may never want me in charge of another similar project again. :) Though I have to say that it's going to be hard to pick the tracks. There are a few that are clear stand outs in both directions, quite a few very well done ones, and even more middle-of-the-road if-that-one-thing-was-changed-it'd-be-so-much-better-sounding. You guys have not made this easy.
Chris, your kick/bass drum/whatever you wish to call it could come up, but it does sound good as is too. A reupload would be appreciated but isn't absolutely necessary. If people have questions about their cover in particular, getting to me via email is OK too, just for the record. Not that there's anything wrong with this, but I can foresee a scenario where my oft-brutal honesty might embarass someone publically or something. Plus, I really don't want to give anyone the impression that they're trying to impress me specifically... I'll make my comments/recommendations honestly, but I don't hold it against anyone if they disagree with my advice/comments. I'm not the last stop in music mix questions, that's for sure.
Derek, tomorrow's cool. I have to listen to these tracks through the weekend before they get shipped off to A4C and chosen by Monday, so Friday still gives me time. I'm probably going out Friday night, so I'm going to be taking the FTP server down when I get home that evening (probably around 2ish CST). And that will it.
Oh, and Jim, of course you can choose whichever version you like better. If you like the original, just don't send me the new one. Or send it to me and I'll give you my feedback and you can decide from that, whatever you want. Just have it by tomorrow night, I beg you.
Finally, back to the next tribute, I think that it will be around the July 15th mark by the time we get things up and available for download (though you probably don't see it, there is a LOT of behind-the-scenes stuff to get done). As I mentioned earlier, the next WILL in fact be a Pixies tribute CD, having covered FB in all his glorious splendour. Since I'm going to need a little bit of a rejoinder from this CD and some time to get all the things in my life organized that I've put on hold already (as well as my other far more important - to me - music project), I'd like to start the next tribute CD in August sometime. Everything pre-FB will be up for grabs, including B-sides (but once again, no covers of covers (e.g. Honeypie, In Heaven, ...). This will hopefully also give me a few minutes to update the bios a little bit, since that's my other job and I've been horribly neglecting it of late.
Which reminds me of one last thing. I was thinking of putting up a "Tribute CD" / "You Ain't Me" page on FB.net with info about the compilation, including a more fleshed out version of the credits, and possibly links to band webpages, etc. I have yet to run this by Dave (Dave, consider this me running it by you), but I thought I'd see if you had any opinions on this. That way people who hear a cover on the CD can pull up the page easily and get a link to their website. And see all the official credits, etc, etc.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 22:02:06
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Dean, I'm uploading my second version as we speak. I think I like it a lot more than the first...let me know what you think. Perhaps Dave and I should help out in the decision making process to make it slightly more democratic? What do you think?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 07/03/2003 : 22:14:06
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Heh... and then we could wait until next year for EVERYONE'S tracks to be done. No, it just adds headaches and time and I'm sure you will see that I am entirely democratic. There are several songs already in the yes pile that I actually don't care for, not musically speaking, but personally. It's not really about my taste, just about what sounds like an interesting and well-hashed out interpretation. And if you have any doubts, I can tell you that at the present time, my own track will not be making the CD as I really don't think that the vocals are done well enough. That said, we are working feverishly to try to get them done well, but me being sick is not helping matters. And I suppose I already have a bit of outside help on the decision making process.
Anyway, if you'd care to discuss it more, perhaps we can do so via email and so forth. |
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