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Mac E. Doobage
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 01/17/2006 : 18:32:37
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beat it.
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Originally posted by IceManCometh
I used to post frequently on this forum years ago, but it's been so long I've had to create a new account. Please understand, this isn't coming from a newbie. This is coming from a man whose first concert, ever, was the Pixies in the early nineties, in their original incarnation.
Since then, I've been an ardent fan of FB's work. I've attended---by my nearly accurate estimation---about 13 of his solo and Catholics concerts. I've always considered him my favorite, probably always will on the strength of his earlier work alone.
I must say, however, that my enthusiasm for his work has waned in recent years. Boo me if you want, hiss me if you must, but if this inside info proves accurate---and I have no reason to believe it won't---then I'm bracing myself for another let down.
I suppose I rarely post anymore because unbridled and unqualified enthusiasm seems to be the lingua franca of the board.
I didn't like Honeycomb. At all. Didn't care much for Show Me Your Tears either. I miss the rocking Frank. I was excited about Jon Tiven's initial intimations that this would be a return to form, of sorts. To judge from this little written preview, however, this will not be the case.
I understand maturity and growth, but still,I miss the days of yore. I would have never believed there'd come a day that I wouldn't very much be looking forward to a Frank Black album. And I understand that this is akin to blasphemy on this board, but there you go. Will I buy it? Sure, but it will be with the expectation---and almost certainty---of disappointment.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 18:39:50
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I understand Iceman, I hope when you hear some of it you'll find yourself wrong at least somewhat. I'm fairly certain it doesn't sound like Honeycomb at this point (though I also thought it would earlier) but I'm equally certain it doesn't sound like the Catholics at all. I think it'll be something new and hopefully, you'll like it.
 "If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 18:44:32
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Originally posted by dyperman
no I cant give copies sorry...Its very honeycombish but with some smooth bluesy jams in it. I like it alot but that doesnt surprise me. I like everything he does. Im waiting for the approval to release track names. I wish I could share it really I do. But I respect the man as an artist and a friend and wouldnt do It without his approval.I will say that on one song there is another man doing vocals with charles and it is a real good song. Cant wait to find out the title of the album :)!!!!
wish I could be as cool as Kim Deal
Thanks Dyperman. I totally understand. Thanks for all you wrote about the songs. Thanks for sharing what you can and respecting FB to only share what should be shared. You ROCK!!!!  
Hey any word on a release date?? Or I am I totally out of it and missed it somewhere??? I was wondering b/c I would like to try to get another radio show with Josh that week it comes out. Thanks! |
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IceManCometh
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 18:54:31
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Beat it? Just because I'm not a rabid fan of the latest albums?
You've got to be kidding me, right?
I am a *fan* of Frank Black, and, ostensibly, this is a forum for fans, correct? Though I don't care for his recent work, I nonetheless consider myself a fan. So why, please answer, must I beat it?
I used to post here years ago, under the name CaptainMaximus. I've seen the Pixies seven times, Frank Black thirteen, and bought *all* of the albums, singles and videos. I'm entitled to an opinion, am I not?
I'm sorry, but it strikes me as infantile to react so vehemently against an opinion that runs counter to yours. So I don't care for the latest stuff: big deal. I'm sure there are more people out there that feel similarly than care to admit.
Beat it: give me a break.
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spunXtain
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 19:05:09
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I agree with IceMan. Show Me Your Tears was the beginning of the end. Although I still rate it 8/10 on a scale where all other Frank Black / Pixies is 10/10.
Honeycomb more like 4/10 IMO. and when the words "country twang" and "gospel" and "dixieland/slide trombone" get thrown around, it makes me long for the days of The Catholics. :(
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2006 : 19:06:12
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I'm sure it's in jest but still rather childish.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 19:10:10
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Originally posted by IceManCometh
So I don't care for the latest stuff: big deal. I'm sure there are more people out there that feel similarly than care to admit.
I'll admit it.
IceMan, this board has many true fans who are not lemmings and who do constructively and honestly criticize Frank. Stick around, bud!
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I agree with IceMan. .... when the words "country twang" and "gospel" and "dixieland/slide trombone" get thrown around, it makes me long for the days of The Catholics. :(
I'll further admit that while I haven't heard the upcoming album, that was my reaction upon reading those words.
I got some heaven in my head
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Apesy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
411 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2006 : 19:25:37
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Personally, hearing "Dixieland/slide trombone" made me wet myself in more ways than one. I'm even more excited for this album now; I'm totally down with Frank's current musical pursuits.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 21:45:26
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I remember CaptainMaximus, as I suspect many here do. While I would prefer rocking Frank, Honeycomb is more appealing than anything else I've bought lately, and I don't mean that backhandedly. Mostly I listen to boots from dimeadozen.
So, what was going on when you-know-who told us this would be a rocking album? I forget his exact words, but it was supposed to rock, right? That said, I'm sure most of us will grow to love the next album. That's just the way it is with Frank. |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 01:30:07
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I suspect that someone from Moose Jaw or possibly New Mexico has hacked his account.
I'm not hacked, I'm in Pittsburgh!
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"In the magnificent fierce morning of New Mexico, one sprang awake, a new part of the soul woke up suddenly and the old world gave way to the new." - D. H. Lawrence
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 01:49:51
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I don't want to know anything about the new album! Except the release date.
Hey IceMan, there are a lot of people who aren't too happy with the latest albums and who wrote it here. It just didn't happen at first for some reason (mainly because of Tiven's presence IMO), but it did eventually. See there:
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14700
So please if you don't like the new record, say it. Sure, there's a small chance it will turn into namecalling, but hey, it's the internet. It's full of jerks, even here.
Denis
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Teafer
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 02:28:38
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well looking at this, i understand i must be a total sucker for frank's work as i never felt uncomfortable with any of his aesthetics direction, even the americana/stonesy period of DITS, which is certainly the musical style i usually truly vomit, i was very happy.
imho, it's even more interesting for me to be able to appreciate a style i didn't dig thanks to el hombre.
But anyway my point is that, beneath the variaty of styles, i feel strongly that the fb i like is always there : i mean look at "kiss my ring" chord progression... it's as twisted and amazing and elegant as the best from toty. oh well, does that make any sense ? |
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dyperman
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 03:57:32
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O.K. back to the reviews:
Fast Man: NIce vocal range on this song from his melancholy lows to his bluesy highs. Nice piano solo in the middle."Im a fast man...I go a thousand miles before I get any sleep".He reminds me of boz scaggs on this song for some reason"If I can I'll be driving to the end" definitly a good car song...LOUD "Cheyenne...and chEYENNNNE OH"
If Your Poison Gets You:Starts out like a 60's spy movie intro then breaks into the western chorus "we heard it all, in halls of pain it wasnt good". "If your poison gets you I will be on time". Almost like the monkey on the back is speaking."Heavens boys(?) protect you" a trilling sax in the background."Ifyou sink to madness say a little prayer"
Dirty Old Town: This one rocks pretty good this is the duet with Marty Brown and I tell you this guy could make the cows come home at noon! What a nice voice. "I kissed my girl by the factory wall...dirty old town" nice guitar solo in middle and charles says "thats rockin man" the song builds in in intensity to where charles and Marty are almost screaming at the end
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 05:07:19
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Originally posted by Teafer
But anyway my point is that, beneath the variaty of styles, i feel strongly that the fb i like is always there : i mean look at "kiss my ring" chord progression... oh well, does that make any sense ?
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 05:34:57
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Hi, Iceman. SMYT is not my fave Frank album, and I've only listened to Honeycomb once (I only got it just before Christmas), so it has yet to grow on me, but there are some great songs on there (I Burn Today and the title track among them).
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IceManCometh
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 05:51:19
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Actually, I'm very surprised anyone remembers me at all, not only because it's been so long, but because I used to post so infrequently. That said, thanks for remembering, and thanks for understanding that what I expressed wasn't meant as some kind of mean-spirited bait and trap; rather, it comes from someone who's cared for FB's music for a long time.
There were plenty of redeeming things about the last few albums. And like every FB release, I bought them the day they came out. Maybe I didn't like SMYT too much because I too was going through a divorce at the time, and the melancholy tone struck too close to home. Now that that period's a good distance behind me, I do *like* a lot of it. Doesn't set me on fire like the good old days, or even like some of the material on Dog in the Sand (his last great album, IMHO), Black Letter Days and Devil's Workshop (woefully overlooked).
Honeycomb's a different story. It must be me. I go back to that record over and over again and it never sinks its hooks into me. I love a few of the tracks---My Life in Storage, I Burn Today, Selkie Bride---but a lot of it just never worked for me. Sure, it's still miles ahead of most of the competition---this is FB, after all---but with FB, my standards have always been higher, and perhaps that's unfair.
Sure, I understand exploring a more mature, understated style, but I most like FB when he's FB, which brings up a question: what are the signature hallmarks of his style? Seems to me he's always had an amorphous style and identity, but there have been some constants throughout the years. Recently, however, those constants have been less evident. |
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Teafer
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 06:28:44
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Originally posted by IceManCometh
question: what are the signature hallmarks of his style?
1) unbelievable chord progressions (the kind of if you look at them without knowing the melody already, the only possible reaction is "what the fuck is that?")
2) C# or C#m (preferably both) in almost every song
3) uh-uhs
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dyperman
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 07:04:05
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its funny...being a very longtime pixies/fb fan I remember when Trompe Le Monde came out and saw the same comments made about it online. Changing style,not the same...whats going on with the man? etc...but now those songs at least to my knowledge are considered classic. The ever changing evolution of an artists work is something that needs to be embraced. different directions arent always what we want when we listen to our favorite artists we might get disappointed.....Then they go on tour...and we wonder why we ever doubted the reason why we liked them. At least thats how I feel. When I see him play, especially recently with the pixies I remember why he is sooo f-ing good. I mean he can do it all now. I was just musing with my wife that we might be listening to a couple of the new tunes on country radio...Imagine that, going to see Charles and there are people in hats etc....listening as he plays holiday song along with I burn today. He has accomplished what alot of artists cant....
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2006 : 07:36:30
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i really hope on the new album, unlike honeycomb, there are more detailed liner notes - like who played on each track
-Brian
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FranknWeezer
= Cult of Ray =
USA
356 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2006 : 09:28:26
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Dyperman, your son has good taste. Hence my name. Does FB like Weezer's music or Rivers in general? Aside from the Pixies touring w/ them and =w= covering Velouria, I haven't a clue. Met FB twice and never got around to asking him.
Also, is Fast Man anything like End of Miles or St. Francis Dam Disaster? When you said 'driving song' it reminded me of those, two of my recent faves.
Thanks for posting all the news on the new album.
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mattb
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
474 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2006 : 09:49:14
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Just in case anyone is still doubting dyberman I can vouch for him that everything he says is 100% true and I've witnessed it first hand. Who am I that you should trust? Well, those of you who know me and met me, I can at least assure you.
Ed, How's it going? It's Matt who you met in Cleveland last year. Shoot me an email when you have a chance. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 11:57:42
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For me SMYT is on top of what Frank has ever done in case of production,
although I rank DITS and BLD also very high.
Generally, I like what Frank is doing now,
I want him to keep changing his music. His music is always going somewhere
I'm waiting for his first true Soul record.
The Pixies albums are a different thing, those songs were so strong
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2006 : 13:23:05
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I want him to keep changing his music. His music is always going somewhere
I'm waiting for his first true Soul record.
Scary. That, or a rap record, might be where I disembark. Country, metal, classical, jazz, blues: OK. But please, no soul. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 15:28:39
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Yeah, I'm not big on soul or gospel either, but I also try not to dismiss anything based solely on genre. So I say that Frank should bring on whatever he wants, and I'll evaluate it after I've heard it.
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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OldManInaCoffeeCan
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 20:44:57
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Awight, try this one on for size,
One could argue that The Man's brillance began with Come on Pilgrim/Surfer Rosa and ended with Doolittle....
...and post-Pixies, well,...somewhat of a crescendO with Pistolero and then after that decrescendo
Of course, such an argument would be disingenuous and ridiculous...
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 02:17:47
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| Ha, maybe we should take that argument to another thread? LOL. A neverending discussion I predict. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 02:38:48
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Originally posted by OldManInaCoffeeCan
Awight, try this one on for size,
One could argue that The Man's brillance began with Come on Pilgrim/Surfer Rosa and ended with Doolittle....
...and post-Pixies, well,...somewhat of a crescendO with Pistolero and then after that decrescendo
Of course, such an argument would be disingenuous and ridiculous...
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"I'm more of a self-indulgent epic kind of guy." King Charles IV
OMIACC - PostMaster of fb.net's Zenith threads
blasphemy!
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6194 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2006 : 02:40:47
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Originally posted by VoVat
Yeah, I'm not big on soul or gospel either, but I also try not to dismiss anything based solely on genre. So I say that Frank should bring on whatever he wants, and I'll evaluate it after I've heard it.
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares."
You know Frank isn't like that, he never just plays a genre. Soul could work and I think Honeycomb already has Soul in it. And I mean classic Motown stuff, no doubt that Frank can write just like Burt Bacharach
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FrankfanL
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 11:12:09
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| Dyperman, thanks for the insights. I too eagerly await the new release, whatever it'll be called. Wishing for a rocker, but I trust in Frank. No doubt he is going through some changes, his music reflects that. |
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moofah
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 20:13:16
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Dirty Old Town: "I kissed my girl by the factory wall...dirty old town" ,,,
Hey! It's the Pogues song. Can't wait to hear this. |
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dyperman
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 20:19:53
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Its a good one Ill DL the pogues and compare it for you
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dyperman
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 20:25:19
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Yep....same song though I think Charles rocks it a bit harder. Plus Marty Brown sings with him to keep that country flair...
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dyperman
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 21:00:19
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Man...the more I listen to this album I can almost assuredly tell you guys that you are not going to be disappointed!!! This is a mighty fine album!!!
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 02:43:09
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 i like the way you cover your back. but be careful.
if it's decided you're almost assuredly wrong, they know where you live.
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gary13th
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
632 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2006 : 03:33:54
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Thanks for the news Dyperman, and thank you for sharing it.
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New Album is here!!!!
