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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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 Posted - 12/28/2005 : 19:35:31
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Oh wait. I got a good comeback. Hold on. Disregard my other post.
So here's what I should have said:
Oh yeah? Then what would you do with all of your new free time?
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2005 : 19:36:47
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Ha ha! Yeah.
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2005 : 19:37:54
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you can still post here..
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2005 : 19:46:30
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Just me and you! : )
This must be a dry run!
Okay, so let's talk about Sasquatch!
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 19:59:32
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no. goodnight, loser!
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2005 : 20:27:28
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That's fine. Six weeks have passed. Time to go dye my hair.
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2005 : 21:26:24
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Originally posted by starmekitten
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Originally posted by IceCream
I admit that in my younger years, I did make posts for the sole sake of raising my post count. I was the 33rd member to reach 1000. But that's all changed now. And back in 2003 (i.e. when I did do that), I think the forum was significantly less lame than it was now. We had el barto, proverbial ceral, mereubu, Dave Noisy, brackish girl, apl4eris, thecroutonfuton, and others posting at a regular basis back then. And I don't say that to degrade/downcast the 'new' guys. It's just that I knew those people. The forum was like a family then. I don't know half of the 'new' people. I don't know their personal characterists, their idiosyncracies, their greatnesses, their ages, their beliefs, anything.
I have gotten to know Darwin though. I will give you Darwin.
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It's been way worse than this, what we need now is someone who used to post long time ago to come along and tell us how their injoking drivel was far more entertaining than the current injoking drivel.
Score one for me!
These threads are so predictable
I think I said that post incorrectly. My drivel was never entertaining, not then, not now. And it was never more/less entertaining than anyone else's. My post was in response to what VoVat was arguing. I DID sometimes post for the post count. However, that's all changed now. Besides, it didn't seem to matter then anyway. Then, I became reminded of the old days. I never said that it was objectively more entertaining then than it is now. I didn't like the old-timers better, per se. I just knew them better. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 21:57:57
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Originally posted by IceCream
I have gotten to know Darwin though. I will give you Darwin.
I'm a old timer. Pretty much here from the beginning. But nobody noticed me until the past year or two. Never a member of the henhouse.
Is the forum lame? Yeah, it has been since the banning of members and images. But, I think it has gotten better maybe in the past month. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2005 : 23:43:11
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by IceCream
I have gotten to know Darwin though. I will give you Darwin.
But, I think it has gotten better maybe in the past month.
That's cause I'M back, brother. YEAH!
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 02:35:33
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by IceCream
I have gotten to know Darwin though. I will give you Darwin.
I'm a old timer. Pretty much here from the beginning. But nobody noticed me until the past year or two. Never a member of the henhouse.
Is the forum lame? Yeah, it has been since the banning of members and images. But, I think it has gotten better maybe in the past month.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Now that so many old-timers have left, I've gotten to know Darwin, a remaining old-timer who was obscured by the flashiness of the 10-post-a-day folks from 2 years ago. |
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50 Pence
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
284 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 04:38:17
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I came back, and i agree the forum was far better in the past. More reaction to my trolling then.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 05:42:44
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Well, Darwin, anything I can do to bring some of those members back I will certainly do. I don't think image posting is still banned, is it? So long as it doesn't go too far on the tasteless side and there's no nudity or heavily suggestive (i.e. 90% nude) stuff, I have no problem getting that going again if it's not already.
I wasn't here for that whole fiasco (sorry!) but I hope that any serious changes for the worse made in the last 7 or 8 months can be addressed and if there's something anyone would like to say but feels they can't, I'm an email away.
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 05:48:59
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Message to the the complaining people:
If you find this forum lame, move to another one, create another one or (harder) deal with real life.
God is speaking through my words.
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ccuadros
* Dog in the Sand *
Chile
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 06:01:25
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Originally posted by Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
Message to the the complaining people:
If you find this forum lame, move to another one, create another one or (harder) deal with real life.
God is speaking through my words.
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 06:56:33
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There was no offence or accusation meant there Icecream. I think what it is with these threads is people like to blame the forum or the people of the forum for the perceived lameness. Probably people have outgrown it, or watched those that they are familiar with start to post less and less and see new folk who are unkown quantities post more and more so feel out of place. You may not know all the new folks, but it can be hard to start that whole getting-to-know-you process again, especially after you have become comfortable with a group that are already around. This isn't anyones fault really, it's just more effort and an effort many can't be doing with. Maybe there are people who blanket post and post for the sake of post count posting, this can be off putting. It's off putting to me for sure, I look at what was once a discussion and see it devolved into jokey back and forths, and while vovat is correct in that there is nothing to stop anyone from posting a serious point at the end it is actually terribly difficult to get anyone interested again once the devolution has happened. These threads always crop up and go the sme way, some agree that the forum sucks, some defend the forum and tell the others to try and fix it if it bothers them (few ever try) some old member will crop up at some point and give a not like the old days speech which will probably upset some new member.
Thinking of possible remedial actions for the forum, to keep it ticking over and try to prevent these peaks and troughs, maybe a subdivision would not be a bad idea at all. A debate section where those who want these intellectual discussions on matters most important can hold them without fear of puns or pictures, a new music section for the sharing of bands discovered and discussion therof and a larking about section for larking about. This in itself would be problematic though, it's just another form of segregation. The people who post in general chat are different in large from those who post up in the frank black sections all the time, and to split the subject areas further would be to add further division and separation. It might make it easier to get to know smaller groups maybe, but then peoples motivations behind using an internet forum are different. Some don't want to get to know you, some don't want to be known, some are happy to share everything. It's a weird phenomenon, and on here there is at least a vaguely succesful dynamic.
As for why a lot of members left around the beautiful women drama it was because, I believe a percieved double standard and percieved dictatory approach in Dave Noisys actions. Everyone accepts that as Daves forum it is ultimately his responsibility what goes on, but I think a lot of people feel like it can't be a part time responsibility either. It was handled awfully, and whatever the actual issue was it got well and truly buried under the nonsense that went on after. People who post and have posted here are by and large grown up people with their own lives. They do not respond kindly to people playing take the toys away games and flaunting a power position that is only used as and when it suits. When emails were sent about a member asking for pictures of underage girl, and another ex member reincarnate who was trolling and insulting the forumers left right and centre, these were minor issues it seemed compared to the percieved infringement of feminine rights and ideals. Most forum women did not mind the beautiful women thread, nothing to do with the content, more to do with it keeping the boys out of trouble. (and out of other threads with the half naked ladies) when a threat is made that he will ban members who post the semi nakedness after he has said no to it, it should apply to ALL members, not just the boys. If you're going to have someone in charge who plays one rule for one, one rule for another, deal with this issue rather than the countless others it is going to irritate the hell out of people. To open the floor for discussion and then to pick and choose what to respond to, to then pull toys away methods like the picture removal rather than locking the threads which would have been the adult thing to to, I think it insulted a lot of peoples intelligence and you can't go round insulting the intelligence of people like Darwin because he's the third most intelligent person in the whole widest world. But it's kind of old news now really. Righting what happened is a case of learning from it and making sure it doesn't happen like this again.
Time will fix this, and Dean, Dean will fix this. hehe
As for making the forum less sucky, well, we could make it frenchman free???
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 07:08:19
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i think we need a few more 'pet' projects too - the tribute albums always seemed to get people really interested and focused them. or when we were debating the new look of the site - granted, those things also cause arguments, but they breathe new life into the place.
-Brian
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 07:42:48
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Yeah, I've been thinking that I might have to bite the bullet and run another tribute album to get people here again, couldn't agree with you more Brian. I'm just not sure there's much interest anymore and I'd hate nothing more then to fail at a third incarnation. If so, it would probably be a Catholics tribute album as opposed to our first two, which were Frank with and without Catholics and the Pixies. Although at least I know I could generate enough interest in another Pixies tribute... Anyway, I'm thinking on it.
Also, as I've said elsewhere, thinking on an article/review database that I would personally host (rather than try to get someone who knows ASP, etc to do it). I'd need an administrator for it (unless dayna is still interested, but I've not seen her around for some time). This is a slightly higher priority for me but I have to dig in to see what's involved.
Tre's SongDB threads were a good project for awhile and we should see the results of that soon. Speaking of which, I appreciate the analysis Tre and your faith in me, I'll do what I can of course. For Dave's part, he has a rather comprehensive list of things to be done and actually has started chipping away at them. Yes, indeed, Honeycomb is now officially, one year later, the latest Frank Black album. :)
Other ideas for projects? I'd prefer some new things rather than just refreshing existing content. Go ahead, throw stuff at me!
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 08:26:16
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I think it'd be cool if Chabadoo stumbled into a meat grinder.
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 08:37:58
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Tre, Tre, Tre... There I was, on the verge of approving you, and look what you've done.
Frank himself, fond of France as I'm sure you know he is, would certainly not approve of the banning of Frenchmen. I'm not sure he cares that much for Birmingham though.
Out with Brummies is what I say. For a start.
What do we need here? We need Frank to drop by for a chat, we need him to release new material, and perhaps we need new blood too. Maybe those chicks who posted the Hey video will stick around.
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 08:55:10
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Yeah, I've been thinking that I might have to bite the bullet and run another tribute album to get people here again, couldn't agree with you more Brian. I'm just not sure there's much interest anymore and I'd hate nothing more then to fail at a third incarnation. If so, it would probably be a Catholics tribute album as opposed to our first two, which were Frank with and without Catholics and the Pixies. Although at least I know I could generate enough interest in another Pixies tribute... Anyway, I'm thinking on it.
I'd suggest maybe doing a FB.net Originals CD - have all the budding songwriters submit a piece. It'll be less time/trouble and would be a nice way to spread around new music. Or maybe do a double disc type thing with one FB cover and one original. Like 20 originals and 20 covers. I don't know, just a suggestion.
-Brian
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 09:43:12
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You know, I almost said that all frenchmen except the lovely Jedi but erased it at the last minute because I could only imagine the hissy fit that Denis would have, you know what he's like.
You know I don't mean it, well maybe I mean it about the schizophrenic ones but the rest of you are alright.
What about a project that would utilise other creative aspects of the forum members, you've had two musical ones, what about an ebook or something, a compendium of short stories and brief articles written by forumers, with pictures from the budding artists and photographers, There could be various submitted cover arts for said ebook and vote on favourite for the graphic designers, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to compile and then circulate at all. Not so much to do with the music maybe, but might help community spirit.
There's my creative thought. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 09:52:13
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I think people start to miss what the forum was like when they were newer to it, whatever time that was.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 09:52:52
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| I like Tre's non-audio suggestions, but I think if there is to be another album having original material from the talented members of this board (which doesn't include me) would be a fun disc to have. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 10:00:50
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Forum I think your LAME! LAME! LAAAAAME!! LAAAAAME!!
 "Yo! Ho Ho! Merry Christmas!" |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 10:08:07
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Originally posted by starmekitten
You know, I almost said that all frenchmen except the lovely Jedi but erased it at the last minute because I could only imagine the hissy fit that Denis would have, you know what he's like.
You know I don't mean it, well maybe I mean it about the schizophrenic ones but the rest of you are alright.
What about a project that would utilise other creative aspects of the forum members, you've had two musical ones, what about an ebook or something, a compendium of short stories and brief articles written by forumers, with pictures from the budding artists and photographers, There could be various submitted cover arts for said ebook and vote on favourite for the graphic designers, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to compile and then circulate at all. Not so much to do with the music maybe, but might help community spirit.
There's my creative thought.
Ooh, I do like that idea (as well as Brian's originals CD, I've given that some thought and will give it some more, but there are a few things that trouble me on it). I wouldn't know how to go about organizing a book like that, at least not yet, but I'll give it some thought. It has some of the same problems as the originals CD, but again, I'll give it some thought.
So, in conclusion, I'm going to lunch and to think...
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 10:10:33
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Yeah...workin's for chumps ;)
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 10:20:07
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Okay, so what about a new tribute with a bonus disc of original tracks from the contributing artists and a swanky booklet containing original art and writing (why not make it loosely FB/Pixies related/inspired) by the art and writing people here? Sort of mix it all in one big creative burst of FB.net goodness. Have a dozen handmade (recycled paper in a hemp-bound box!), auction to board members, use money for site running costs or charity. Penniless peeps can get downloadable versions for free.
Um, am I thinking too big here?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 11:12:30
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There's no such thing as thinking to big. Think big, get realistic as required is how I see it.
If we were to couple the art and album like that, what I'd probably go for then is all out collaboration. In fact, this popped in my head on the way back from lunch. I'd like a way of linking the art and the songs, stories, etc together aside from a loose 'fb related' sort of thing. It could go something like this:
Everybody and anybody may submit one piece of any/every type of art that they feel is inspired by or reminds of FB however loosely. So a person could submit one song, a photo, a poem/lyrics, AND ultra-short story. But no more than one of any of those types of things. Presumably they're probably not competent at all of them or more than one or two anyway (no offence, but nobody's good at everything).
We'd use the FB.Net Salon and then it would be up to you guys to link materials. So if person x has posted a song (no single-track acts, that rule wouldn't change) and you think it reminds you of person y's photo or painting or whatever, you suggest it. If the artists both agree, they're linked. As another example, person x could have a song inspired by / using the lyrics of person y (posted here and presumably the lyrics were inspired by FB) and a drawing from person z. Again, artists may approach each other (highly recommended) and in all cases ALL artists must approve of the final product.
So, in the end, we'd hopefully have a bunch of songs, art, lyrics, etc to put together into an album. This would happen over time as more and more people post their stuff, comment on each others' work, and so on. It could be done in a month, in a year, or never. Realistically, I'd probably move from the aggregation step to narrowing the choices down when the 'completed/linked' song pool moved to around 40. Everyone would be able to vote (1 to 5) on the songs and that would be weighted heavily in the final decision, which would still be made by the guy in charge, who reserves the right to adjust as is necessary. Then, assuming Tim is still around and willing, mastered and made into an album.
The auction idea is an interesting one, but I think we'd worry about that when we got there. If we got there. Did any of that make sense? Thoughts?
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 11:41:19
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This is a good idea, to have it as one big project I think. The whole idea of regaining community mindedness is to not exclude anyone, which is why I mentioned the non audio options, as not all of us are musicians. I also like the auction idea too, it'd be nice to have someone make up a limited number of physical items for people to keep. This would also bring in a viable revenue for the forum (I doubt anyone would feel cheated this way) but as you so rightly said Dean, it is a far off thing. Although, because so many projects can and do fall by the wayside when enthusiasm wanes I would set a time limit, it doesn't have to be a short one but people are always better when they have a deadline to work to.
Other thoughts, if this is to be set up in the salon, I would make some temporary pointer threads in some other key sections as not everyone ventures down here or in there, fbc for example we know is good graphically but we don't see him down here so much.
Set word limits for the written pieces, for example something like 500 word limit, I've picked that out of my head but the clearer the rules are the more likely the results will be the desired ones.
I'd also decide on commitee/individual to oversee this, I personally think it'd be better by small comittee because then the pressure would not be on one individual, but small so that it doesn't turn into a sprawling mess.
When organising the threads in the salon are you going to subsection, I mean one for songs, one for poems, one for stories, one for pictures, one for photographs and so on, if so make it clear what they are for.
To start this it might be a nice idea to poll for a title for the entire thing, start a thread, give people until (choose arbitary date - 14th of january or something - not a suggestion just a random date) to suggest titles, get the comittee to pick the best five or six, then poll it so the whole forum feels like they have contributed in some way. When you have a title you can start the threads rolling, like:
[title] - songs thread
[title] - photo thread
keeps it neat and structured. Plus, by delaying until you have a working title it gives time to get some people working and thinking about this.
Also, I think I see what you mean by the linking, but would this occur in a seperate thread of it's own, where instead of in the middle of one thread someone saying I think this song works with that picture, and that persons comment getting lost in the thread traffic, they coud be listed seperately? Do you see what I mean?
I think this would work well, I'm reminded of Owen's Story by way of break my body and if I have understood what you mean here, it's prime example of the linking of the music to other forms of art through inspiration.
Uh, thems my thoughts. There's probably more, always is.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 12:37:08
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Deadline: Agreed. I was mostly thinking in hypothetical now, but yeah, I made that same argument for the tributes and would do the same again.
Word limit: Yup.
Categories: I might add a 'written content' section in addition to the music and art (which I'd more specifically nail down to graphical art) but otherwise, yeah, in the forum.
Committee/individual: I tend to run things on my own because committees slow things down and especially in informal volunteer situations can have different ideas of vision and where it's going. I like committees for when the work load is too much that one person can't effectively manage, but my view on them is that as few people as necessary is best. I think that if this is to be a project where everyone willing to do so takes part by voting or submitting art of their own or even recommending 'partnerships' or 'links' or what have you, then the only work should be the general oversight, keeping things to a schedule and people aware of that schedule, and then assembling at the end.
Title: I think this should come after we have the works done since, unlike the tributes, it's unclear what this may result in. But keeping threads organized is a must. However, I'd say that unless the artist is unwilling, anything posted in the salon is fair game for recommendation/suggestion/nomination/etc.
Linking: Not sure how this would be carried out, nor the voting exactly, but I'm looking into it a bit. Since the threads themselves don't get much traffic, that could work fine. A list could too, keeps it all in one place, but I could see recommendations being ignored by people more interested in talking about a prior recommendation and that becoming messy. More thought needed.
And I don't know how we'd fit Owen's Story into liner notes size-wise, but yeah, that's exactly what I had in mind and a perfect example.
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 13:13:40
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we could also approach this in such a way as:
we get a pool of available musicians, a seperate pool of available visual artists, and a seperate pool of writers. then we pair off. if tre wants to write, i want to play and deaner wants to draw, we can announce: ok, the three of us are a team. and then via email we can work up a product and present it suchly. i think this may make the most sense in terms of organization. this way if i post my new hit single 'digital iowa' (i actually wrote a song called that today) and both tre and deaner want to paint something on the basis of that, i don't have to choose between the two.
just another idea...
-Brian
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50 Pence
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
284 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 14:06:57
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This sounds like good fun, may write a little ditty.
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zub_the_goat
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
639 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 16:10:12
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 16:27:20
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I am really glad to see this tread taking a constructive turn. If any one needs a "writer" I would enjoy colaborating.
This statment isn't directed at anyone but are sentiments I have held back in prior threads.
Honesty, what I hate most about the forum are the "This Forum is Lame" threads. They come up once a month and honestly until now has been a bunch of winers that actually do nothing to improve things. It's divisive, immature and undermines the morale.
Quite honestly, indirectly this is a slam to the people that created and spend lots of time running this site.
In addtion to being busy, that's the main reason why I don't frequent this place as much.
This site is about FB and his music. These sorts of threads are energy drains on the forum and detract on what the true focus should be-- FB and his music.
Let's face it, the only common denominator we have here is FB's music. Yes it's great to know and become friends with people here. But there's to many people here to get to know everyone personally.
In addition, it's so uncool to slam the people that weren't here when you were here. Who knows some of those new people might be cooler than the friends that left. Instead of mourning them, move on with your live and make the most of things.
Anyway kudos to all for setting up this album and kudos for the the auction. I think these are all great things to boost the morale here. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 16:35:12
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To be fair, it is General Chat. So it's the non-FB section! I mean, people can post topics about navel fluff if they want to. They don't have to wait for Frank to pen a tune about navel fluff. ;)
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THIS FORUM IS TURNING LAME...
