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oddball
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 Posted - 10/17/2004 : 06:35:57
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Thanks for the update Jon. Who played keys and organ on Honeycomb? Was it also Kooper? Are all 12 songs more than likely going to see the light of day? Has that already been determined? Your work ethic deserves extreme respect. Thanks again for the insight.
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Jontiven
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 10:20:27
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 10:45:59
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oddball
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 11:44:00
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As his producer, its becoming clear with all-nighter recording sessions and bursts of spontaneity that you are going out of your way to help Frank Black. Whether its by buying Ellis Hooks' albums if interested in his music (which I most certainly am) or any other way, I hope you get the recognition you deserve as being a dedicated producer.
By the way, I am teaching a class on Popular Music and American Cultural Identity this semester. In terms of Americana, are there any tracks off of "uncomplicated" which would serve well lyrically for discussion? Thanks for your input.
Erik
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 10:59:36
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 12:21:26
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Originally posted by Jontiven
Keyboards on HONEYCOMB were by Spooner Oldham.
No decision has been made about whether all 12 songs will be on the record, although it is very possible that "Highway To Lowdown" will be part of this record.
I am of the mind that HONEYCOMB is, for Frank Black, the equivalent of Bob Dylan going electric. Optimist that I am, I sense that this will bring him to a far greater audience than previous solo records.
best,
JT
this sounds very promising
 "I joined the Cult of Serge/'Cause he invented indierock before Frank did" |
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Jontiven
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 12:53:40
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oddball
- FB Fan -
Germany
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 13:24:37
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Gotta agree 100% with Jon. The factors in place this time around are extremely promising, regardless of Frank's age or musical direction. He is re-defining himself and look at the people he is working with! The potential for major success is in place.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 14:17:48
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well Jon, we can and must say some bad things about frank once in a while
80% of this forum would buy frank farting in a microphone
if we lost are sense of crictism, the forum wouldn't be fun at all
but
to end on a positive note
I agree with you
I don't think Broken Face/Brian is correct at all
Maybe Frank hasn't got a pretty face
but I don't think Bob Dylan or Neil Young or Elliott Smith have/had pretty faces
And I know lot of people who think they have pretty faces
so what's the deal
frank can be hot man! Frank Can Be a Hot Man!
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kelladwella
= Cult of Ray =
Germany
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 14:55:01
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Originally posted by Jontiven
Sorry if it seems I'm jumping all over your case, but I don't think you've thought through the consequences of your actions and perhaps now you will.
What could possibly be the negative effects a post in a forum like this could have on Frank Black`s career?!? What could be the consequences? Especially if in this post someone clearly expresses his sympathy for FB. Just wondering.
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Chip Away Boy
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 15:08:54
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 15:26:05
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Jon,
i think you need to relax a little. this is a discussion forum. you're the one who opened discussion about this album in the first place (before it's release). discussion is going to happen. especially among fans.
that said, i do agree that people who are directly commenting on the actual songs recorded (which Broken Face was not by the way - he was discussing Frank's career in general) should wait till they've heard the finished product as it is meant to be heard.
Floop
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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leica
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 15:29:08
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I am sure the official version of Honeycomb will be great.
BUT.
The version I have heard is wonderful, tremendous music. Of course I am biased in that I find Frank's music appealing already, but I also listen to a lot of other bands, and I can say without a moment's hesitation that this is some of the best MUSIC, HANDS DOWN that I have heard in a long time. It is eminently listenable, stuck-in-your-head, stay-in-rotation-on-the-cd-player-for-a- month music.
More than a few of the songs on Honeycomb would be right at home on a reputable, quality, independent radio station.
There's absolutely no reason not to expect the forthcoming album to get great reviews, lots of promotion, and hopefully bring in some new listeners. Will some of the press be in light of a post-Pixies reunion? Yes. Is that awful? No. The press/corp p.r. are always looking for an angle like that to promote something. It could be really useful for Frank. If he can put up with it, then it might mean his record gets to a wider audience. But it doesn't mean Frank has to be pigeonholed by his press - he is not going to be. He will simply sell more records, and he will be able to do more of what he loves to do, which is make the kind of music he wants to make.
Not everyone out there making music, and getting good reviews, and selling a lot of albums is a teenager barely out of high school. Look at the press and fans PJ Harvey has. Or Jack Johnson. Ryan Adams. Beck. Wilco. Mark Knopfler - another guy who went on to make good, consistently lauded solo albums after the breakup of a very influential band. Santana. Etc Etc.
I do not buy the view that there is no room for any other artists besides Josh Groban on the radio, or in people's hearts. |
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leica
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 15:31:03
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 15:48:51
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Bartholomew
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 16:02:21
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| Not to change the subject, just had my first listen through of the unfinished version of Honeycomb and am blown away. Another musical shift. It hasn't all sunk in and it is premature to comment on depth, but it appears to have alot of it (my only complaint against SMYT was it didn't have enough). Great great stuff. |
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Jontiven
= Cult of Ray =
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 16:17:44
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 17:26:44
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R.E.M., I first found out about them because they were on I.R.S. with The Lords of The New Church and The Church. They didn't change, the industry changed. They were ahead, leaders, about as far out there as the Pixies.
Now there's all these bands that were influenced by R.E.M. and all these bands that were influenced by the Pixies, and FB is a classic songwriter. It's not a matter of if, but when (assuming no wicked intervention).
And FB has his influences and admirers all over the place. I tell everyone. FB is doing his own bitch-slap of the industry, one of only a few successful tours this year?
You'ld have to be as dumb as a record executive not to get it. |
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dayanara
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 17:43:54
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| I have to say I'm suprised that The Man is courtning major labels after his recent comments about the possiblilty of a new Pixies album. Suprised and pleased. Major label = major publicity, which is something we haven't really had in the past. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 00:23:18
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Fan sites need to support their artist, particularly when the artist is trying to make a major move that will potentially take the career up to a higher level.
No, we don't. We may want to, but we don't need to and we don't have to. We aren't here to be cheerleaders. We're here to enjoy talking to each other, sometimes about Frank Black. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 02:13:15
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dayanara: I don't think Jon talks about major labels here. In fact I don't think Frank would sign with a major.
I get Jon's point in his second post. And darwin, I think you're being very negative here. I do feel I have to support Frank Black, and I do think FB.net was made to give him some publicity. On the other hand, one guy posting a comment on Honeycomb's success won't ruin Frank's career. If everyone here tried to keep it secret just because they want to see Frank play gigs at their local clubs in front of 50 people, now that would be really stupid. But the majority of the reactions here about the new album are strongly positive, and I think a record company guy who'd have a look at the site would get a very good impression.
Just my 2 cents.
Denis
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 03:12:48
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all this fuss about a man who said:
mmm, Record Companies....Schmecord Companies?
If you are negotiating a big record deal, I think saying that sort of things in an interview
is way way more of influence than some fan on the internet
but considering that mr.Tiven is right
mr.Record Company:
SIGN HIM PLEASE!
"I joined the Cult of Serge/'Cause he invented indierock before Frank did" |
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oddball
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 03:20:33
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I don't think Jon is asking us to be cheerleaders, but rather to show support by refraining from making negative comments before an album is released/ record label has been found. As he says, literally speaking, this record doesn't "exist" yet. In terms of what record label execs do and don't do in terms of gaining a perception of whether or not to sign an artist, I am sure after many years of experience, Jon would know best.
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dayanara
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 04:54:55
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gary13th
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 04:55:20
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let a deal be signed, let the cd hit the stores, then comment about the final article. remember the tracks that have hit the net arent the finished article.
jon is speaking from experience and any negative comments from leaked tracks (be it justified or not) may delay a release of the cd, or only secure a 1 disk release rather than a possible 2 disc release.
i'd rather see the finished article hitting the shops,as soon as possible, in the fullest form possible.
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Jontiven
= Cult of Ray =
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347 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 05:03:31
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 07:28:00
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once again, if i was wrong i am sorry - i even went so far as to go back and edit my posts and remove them because of mr. tiven's concerns. do i think i needed to delete them? no. but hey, i'm a peacekeeper, so all my "negative" comments are gone. and so am i for a while. bye bye
-brian
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 07:29:36
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I think that it shouldn't be too hard to not badmouth Honeycomb as it's a great record, and Jon's request, while it might seem paranoid , is probably valid or at least fair.
That said, I don't think anyone has said anything about Honeycomb that I would consider negative - or if they have, they've quickly rescinded it as the brilliance of the album became apparent.
Let's not get out undies in a knot over this.
EDIT - And I'm sorry you felt compelled to delete your posts, Brian. I assure you that it was unnecessary.
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 07:34:51
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I will buy 20 copies of Honeycomb just to support Frank Black (and Jon Tiven)
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 07:47:08
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Originally posted by Broken Face
once again, if i was wrong i am sorry - i even went so far as to go back and edit my posts and remove them because of mr. tiven's concerns. do i think i needed to delete them? no. but hey, i'm a peacekeeper, so all my "negative" comments are gone. and so am i for a while. bye bye
-brian
that's a shame broken face. it's too bad you've been made to feel like that. i didn't find ANYTHING negative or "wrong" with what you posted. this is a discussion group. discussion happens. people have opinions. you were just theorizing about Frank's career in music.
if we can't feel comfortable doing that here then that's pretty lame.
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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Flairicho2
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 07:56:24
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Looks like my post was deleted. OK, let's try _this_ then.
It's wrong for someone to give out information freely then hold it over everyone's heads by:
1) Insisting they go buy a particular record;
2) Telling them what they can and cannot say on a fan message board -- in fact, going so far as to intimate that being supportive is not enough, you have to do it in a certain way and avoid doing it in a certain other way.
Nobody has said anything about Frank Black or anyone else in this thread that is any big deal whatsoever. I can't believe Mr. Producer is getting all worked up over basically zilch. Dude ... the control knobs are in the recording studio, not this board.
Think about it. Frank's most loyal fans congregate here. It is worth the time to tell them what is going on. It promotes the record. They will evangelize the record, if it's good (I don't do the Soulseek thing, so I'll get it in the store). This is the kind of word of mouth one cannot buy ... so I don't see why someone's so determined to squander it on Frank's behalf.
Broken Face didn't need to delete a damn thing.
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Zsolt G.
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 08:03:21
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Bad Press is good press! Nobody...not even ubernerdy music geeks like Pitchfork have made mention of Honeycomb. So the fact that this is one of the most discussed topics (and well recieved even in its early form) here IS good press and speaks to the interest that we have in it. In fact FBF, just released, is getting less discussion than Honeycomb (and worse reaction).
Additionally, this has always been a relatively civilized site. Even the most esoteric artists usually have disruptive elements on their message boards. And those are boards OWNED by the artist (or label).
So please, blame the labels if they don't know what good music is. We've been supporting it for some time now.
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 08:18:08
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i'm with broken face. his comment on fb's press exposure was pretty accurate and realistic. and i don't see how a personal opinion can harm an artist by any means. if a label manager is so stupid to believe that a few downloaded tracks and a fan's pessimism is a valid reason to not sign a contract most probably doesn't merit to have good music in his label. and probably a manager with that mentallity would make a lousy promotion for the artist anyway. i'm no music industry expert but i believe that if the label doesn't believe in a project from the start it's not likely to push it with fancy wordwide campaigns.
that said a solid fan base like this forum can do only good to an artist regardless positive o negative comments. people that post here would buy the album anyway and many of them will get more than one copy too. if that's not support i don't know what it is. capiSce?
 join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 08:20:12
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Originally posted by Broken Face
once again, if i was wrong i am sorry - i even went so far as to go back and edit my posts and remove them because of mr. tiven's concerns. do i think i needed to delete them? no. but hey, i'm a peacekeeper, so all my "negative" comments are gone. and so am i for a while. bye bye
-brian
- "I joined the Cult of Frank / And they tried to cut off my nuts and make me put on a blue jumpsuit"
Couldn´t help to say how I am sorry that you deleted your comments...I can´t beleive that this is happening, aren´t we all supposed to be free to post what we feel? And I think you aren´t disrespecting anyone, so I can´t see the point, with all the respect about Mr. Jontiven. I´m really disappointed with all this.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 08:41:25
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this is ridicioulus, if it's even typed that way!
I don't know frank, but I don't think he would appreciate this sort of situation
I don't know him that way
he always seems relaxed
frank says things like: Tape and Trade Away!
How good is that? Major Label Manager? If, and I say IF, those people visit the board with the intention to give the final push wether or not to sign Frank, he would rather be full of doubt about things Frank himself says than what fans say or do......
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