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Cheeseman1000
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 Posted - 01/24/2004 : 17:07:54
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I just finished watching Twelve Monkeys for the first time. I loved it, and its definitely one of those films where you sit back after watching it and go 'woah'.
Anything else do this for you? I guess its mainly sci-fi for me, and things which have a really big scope and are well realised.
I'd also include Donnie Darko and the original Matrix, before it was cheapened by the sequels. Maybe the Lord Of The Rings films as well.
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/24/2004 : 17:20:41
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Memento really had me mesmerized the first time around, but upon viewing it a second time, I didn't find it to be even remotely as strong a film. But Following, the director of Memento's (Christopher Nolan) first film is similar. The first time around, they seem like they can go anywhere and any twist in the plot is possible and they just keep unraveling, but once you know all these twists and turns and watch it again, you realize there's not much else to his movies besides the surprises. I almost wish Following had focused more on numerous adventures that the lead character had encountered by following people rather than focusing on one instance of his weird obsession.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 01/24/2004 : 17:56:10
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MEMENTO
MAGNOLIA
FIGHT CLUB
TRUE ROMANCE
LORD OF THE RINGS
GODFATHER SAGA
TAXI DRIVER
RAGING BULL
loads more...ill add at a later date.
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El Barto
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Posted - 01/24/2004 : 19:05:14
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Fight Club
I can't think of any other movie that really had the effect on me that Fight Club did. I was just...on the edge of my seat, 110% engaged, totally speechless other than the random "shit..." I would think to myself every now and then. I was totally moved from beginning to end and nearly cried a few times it got me that hooked.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 01/24/2004 : 20:18:31
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interloper
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 06:32:30
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Originally posted by TarTar
Memento really had me mesmerized the first time around, but upon viewing it a second time, I didn't find it to be even remotely as strong a film. But Following, the director of Memento's (Christopher Nolan) first film is similar. The first time around, they seem like they can go anywhere and any twist in the plot is possible and they just keep unraveling, but once you know all these twists and turns and watch it again, you realize there's not much else to his movies besides the surprises. I almost wish Following had focused more on numerous adventures that the lead character had encountered by following people rather than focusing on one instance of his weird obsession.
Alcohol or pot? VHS or Beta? Man or Astro-man?
Momento was pretty fresh indeed. I remember thinking that it would have been one of those films that would have benifited from casting more normal looking people. That actor, whatever the hell his name is, is so rigid and boring, and he looks like a movie star. That's boring.
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interloper
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 06:38:45
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Punch drunk love was surprisingly pretty great. Kinda like an impression of David Lynch doing a love story. Too much "you're supposed to feel tense" music though. So many scenes I've seen would have been so much better with no music at all.
-anything Lynch
-anything Cronenburg
-Fight Club had the only real things to say in film in the last 10 years
-THX 1138 makes me slobber
-Vertigo makes me wanna do it
-American Movie
-and most importantly anything Kubrick, 2001 being the greatest film ever created (Citizen Kane, although incredible, takes a seat to 2001)
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interloper
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 06:48:16
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Originally posted by El Barto
Fight Club
I can't think of any other movie that really had the effect on me that Fight Club did. I was just...on the edge of my seat, 110% engaged, totally speechless other than the random "shit..." I would think to myself every now and then. I was totally moved from beginning to end and nearly cried a few times it got me that hooked.
"I joined the Cult of Clops / If I were you, I'd sleep with one eye open."
The scene where Tyler holds the store clerk down with a gun, and threatens to kill him if he doesn't do something with his life made me a bit weepy. I was such a bored person when I saw that film, and had just expressed to someone a desire for some sort of tragedy to knock me out of the slump. So, I really understood it. Ed Norton's characters "How could anyone give a damn about coffee tables and pricey do-dads" is me everyday. I think that film is so much about the frequently maligned male biology and how it's unstoppable for the most part, same as women. It's loaded with very uncommon and never before expressed notions. Completely brilliant satire.
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 09:08:32
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Well I guess everybody's pretty much pro-Fight Club here. Personally, I didn't appreciate the Nazi hints in the movie. I do think it's a great movie though, with a great idea (the fight club, i mean), and the beginning is really good, but I didn't like all this "it was just a dream, the guy is a psycho" thing. I hate when a film tries to explain me everything in the end, in a sort of a rationalist way, like, you see, it makes sense, because if you remember carefully this detail, bla bla bla. I mean, a movie is a work of art, I don't expect any credibility except if it's a documentary or a historical movie or a social one (like Ken Loach's movies). But I guess that if you want to have commercial success, you have to do something that makes people believe they are smart in the end.
I recently saw Lost in Translation, which really made me go ooh. And it is really a work of art, the story is very basic, a 40 year old married guy meets a 25 year old married girl in a hotel in Tokyo and they kind of fall in love with each other. But it communicates so many complicated feelings without words, it's just amazing how sensitive Sofia Coppola is. I think this is the true magic of Cinema.
My favorite director is David Lynch, but I don't like people who like David Lynch, usually. A bunch of would-be weirdos. You can be a perfectly normal person and like David Lynch, no need for a gothic outfit or thick glasses with tweed jackets.
Oh and I consider Kubrick as a genius, every movie he made is a masterpiece.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 10:43:32
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Yeah, i too consider lynch and kubrik as gnius in their own right. 2001 totally blew me away. amazing man.
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 10:59:34
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The Birth of a Nation (so incredibly un-PC. Totally different take on that era.)
Long Day's Journey Into Night
On The Beach
Koyaanisqasti
Rockers
Naked Lunch (special effects wow-ed me)
Spider (Cronenburg again)
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Forgot to mention "Brazil" !
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 11:18:20
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Seven
La Confidential
Dusk Till Dawn
Braindead
Narc
Barton Fink
And more
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 13:29:44
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Originally posted by ObfuscateByWill
The Birth of a Nation (so incredibly un-PC. Totally different take on that era.)
Long Day's Journey Into Night
On The Beach
Koyaanisqasti
Rockers
Naked Lunch (special effects wow-ed me)
Spider (Cronenburg again)
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Forgot to mention "Brazil" !
*Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
It's spelled CronenbErg (Cronenburg is a French brand of beer). And the Naked Lunch is also one of my favorite movies, as well as one of my favorite books...mmm, maybe we shpuld start a thread on Burroughs.
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mereubu
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 13:47:42
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Dead Again
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2004 : 13:53:54
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BTW, isn't that a song of C&C Music Factory? (the title of this thread, I mean)
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interloper
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 14:07:54
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Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible
Well I guess everybody's pretty much pro-Fight Club here. Personally, I didn't appreciate the Nazi hints in the movie. I do think it's a great movie though, with a great idea (the fight club, i mean), and the beginning is really good, but I didn't like all this "it was just a dream, the guy is a psycho" thing. I hate when a film tries to explain me everything in the end, in a sort of a rationalist way, like, you see, it makes sense, because if you remember carefully this detail, bla bla bla. I mean, a movie is a work of art, I don't expect any credibility except if it's a documentary or a historical movie or a social one (like Ken Loach's movies). But I guess that if you want to have commercial success, you have to do something that makes people believe they are smart in the end.
I recently saw Lost in Translation, which really made me go ooh. And it is really a work of art, the story is very basic, a 40 year old married guy meets a 25 year old married girl in a hotel in Tokyo and they kind of fall in love with each other. But it communicates so many complicated feelings without words, it's just amazing how sensitive Sofia Coppola is. I think this is the true magic of Cinema.
My favorite director is David Lynch, but I don't like people who like David Lynch, usually. A bunch of would-be weirdos. You can be a perfectly normal person and like David Lynch, no need for a gothic outfit or thick glasses with tweed jackets.
Oh and I consider Kubrick as a genius, every movie he made is a masterpiece.
He says "c'est la vie" and takes another dive.
I think that "the nazi hints" in the film are more or less metaphorical examples of an extreme version of wanting the world to evolve a bit. Granted, the Nazi party was extreme, it was based in large part on Nietzsche's superman theory. Which is a wonderful notion if you think about it. All it expresses is idealism that things could be better, and we could be better as well, and that perhaps we're not doing a good enough job. I agree with you about the whole "it was only just a dream" type recap in a lot of films, however in Fight Club I took it to symbolize a warning of going to logical extremes of that type of thinking. The character realizes that he's created a monster and manages to stop it, and the writer seems to be telling us that all of this is fine and dandy, but if you take it too far, you'll just wind up blowing up buildings and killing people. I don't think we should be so resistant to historically nasty and hateful endeavors (Nazi's, unibomber, etc) but take them into account as a lesson. Like it or not, Hitler's regime was, at the core, some of the more brilliant people to walk the planet. They just crossed too many lines, obviously. Same could go for the Unibomber Manifesto, which I still say is one of the most brilliant writings I've encountered. The guy just couldn't hold onto his humane logic. He went crazy basically. Find it online, it's everywhere. It's very good, and his socialogical breakdowns are dead on. Oh, and Im not a Nazi, nor have I ever killed anyone....(just so no one reads this and gets antsy)
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interloper
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 14:10:04
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Oh, and Dead Ringers is better than Naked Lunch.
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 14:45:43
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"Like it or not, Hitler's regime was, at the core, some of the more brilliant people to walk the planet. They just crossed too many lines, obviously. "
Well, Interloper, excuse me but I really find this dangerous. Do you really think Himmler, Goebbels and Goering were brilliant? It's not like they made LITTLE mistakes, for heaven's sake. There were some brilliant people who supported the nazi regime (like Dr Hjalmar Schacht who was a genius for monetary economics or Heidegger), but they only supported some aspects, not the main idea behind it. I don't think that the extermination of Jews, Homosexuals and others was a product of a brilliant mind which "crossed the line". I think that this was deeply rooted into Hitler's ideology.
I find your ideas dangerous, even though you haven't killed anybody...most of Nazis didn't take part in killings...directly. I think that the idea of exterminating people was not just a contingent part of their philosophy, but the core aspect of their ideology of purifying the pseudo arean race.
I think that maddness is never far from the masses, so we should be really careful about these things. I don't want to make any comparisons between Bush and Hitler, but if people in the USA knew a little more about Goebbels they would probably watch less Fox News (I watch it regularly on the net,I'm not saying that French TV is impartial, but Fox News is really pure propaganda).
Saying that, I would consider myself as more right-wing in France, but this doesn't prevent me from being anti-nazi.
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 14:50:00
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Oh, and I just got into your UniBomber stuff (I didn't know anything about it) and it looks to me like a very bad "pamphlet" that is wrong from its beginning : "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race".
I don't agree on that one, neither on the rest.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2004 : 15:26:48
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A movie I caught some of just the other day, which is just beautiful, is "Vertical Ray of the Sun". After 30 minutes, I was ready to pack my bags and move to Vietnam. Beautiful cinematography, and quiet moments with more in them than several other movies put together.
Now, I am semi-rational again, and have resigned myself to buying the dvd, and taking a metalsmithing class so that I can make my own Singing Fountain Bowl.
http://www.grand-illusions.com/tim/spouting.htm
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MangyKid
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 16:29:36
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 16:31:44
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lynch stuff - gilliam stuff
-brian
- "I joined the Cult of Frank / And they tried to cut off my nuts and make me put in a blue jumpsuit"
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 16:43:57
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oh yeah, adaptaion, and being john malkovich. punk drunk love was surprisingly good.
28 days later i only saw recently. quite enjoyed it, but didint mke me go 'woah'
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 16:45:33
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28 days is excellentay till they get to (is it Manchester) then with all the guards shit it turns to complete shit. Its like watching a english drama, I don't go to the cinema to watch a shitty english drama. I don't want to see the town/city where I live on a god damn motorway sign! But I guess now Im being a little harsh.
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interloper
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 16:47:00
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No, no no. Adrian, nothing is dangerous about conversation. I never said that Nazi's were right. I said they were smart. If they hadn't been, you would have never heard of them. Nowhere in my post did I say anything about their doings being admirable. All I said was that people who overintellectualize eventually go nuts. The ability to intellectualize comes from being intelligent. And that is precisly what Fight Club seeks to express in parts.... "even though you haven't killed anybody...most of Nazis didn't take part in killings...directly"...translation, "hey Interloper, you're a nazi"....response, "im not a freaking nazi, that's just your knee jerking".
So, first Frank record. Yellow or orange??
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steveplymouthuk
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 17:09:52
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2004 : 18:00:27
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True, true.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 18:27:59
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this is too big a question.
but i will say the last movie i enjoyed that elicited a semi-"ooh" from me was BIG FISH. i finally saw that the other day. i like films that are about films themselves. which, BIG FISH is about storytelling in general. but filmmaking is included in that.
i like the idea that reality isn't really what happens but how the story is told.
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 04:25:18
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Originally posted by apl4eris
A movie I caught some of just the other day, which is just beautiful, is "Vertical Ray of the Sun".
I've thought about renting this one, but it looked like it'd be some precious, yuppie-housewife-friendly piece of blech.
I'll give it a shot, though. $0.99 rentals tomorrow!
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 04:35:08
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Good to see I'm not the only one who thinks Fight Club is overrated. The first half is excellent, and I like the twist at the end. However, the middle to end section is kind of lame, with the project mayhem and stuff. It goes from being a character study to some forcedly 'quirky' kind of movie. Anyway, just my humble opinion.
I agree with those who said Adaptation, Barton Fink and Memento, and in keeping with the tangential sub-plot of this thread, I would definitely add American History X.
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 05:05:39
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Like Cheeseman, I am also a sucker for sci-fi.
Silent Running is a beautiful film. Appears pretty dated now but enjoyable none the less.
Alien Saw it for the first time as a 13 year old. I think I was nearly hyper-ventilating at the end.
2001 Stunning
Bound to be more. I will have a think.
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 08:04:23
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I really enjoyed Barton Fink, even though I really didn't know what to make of it when I watched it and I'm not sure I know what to make of it now, either. Hollywood is a metaphor for... Hell, right? I know, it's supposed to be very open for interpretation. Almost Lynch-ian.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 08:54:34
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Originally posted by apl4eris
A movie I caught some of just the other day, which is just beautiful, is "Vertical Ray of the Sun".
I've thought about renting this one, but it looked like it'd be some precious, yuppie-housewife-friendly piece of blech.
I'll give it a shot, though. $0.99 rentals tomorrow!
*Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
Obfuscate, I'm not sure you will like the storyline. What made me love the movie was the cinematography - it's like its own movie. If you do watch it, I would suggest only paying a passing glance to the plot. I think I was able to do this as I caught the movie in the middle, and had no idea what was going on.
That being said, I haven't seen the whole thing yet, so it might also be very good story-wise. I too avoided renting it based on all the ooh-ing and ah-ing, and expected an Oprah Winfrey piece of fuzzy pink shit. I caught the middle of it it on Sundance while working out the other day, and the cinematography just blew me away.
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GoddessTheory
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 09:00:37
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| I'm just glad you shared the "Singing bowl fountain" website. Cool fountain and equally cool stuff on that site. Thanks. |
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mcmikey
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 09:06:59
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Girls Gone Wild: Doggystyle
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 09:07:13
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I really enjoyed Barton Fink, even though I really didn't know what to make of it when I watched it and I'm not sure I know what to make of it now, either. Hollywood is a metaphor for... Hell, right? I know, it's supposed to be very open for interpretation. Almost Lynch-ian.
Alcohol or pot? VHS or Beta? Man or Astro-man?
I liked it more than the Lynch films I've seen. Simply because although a little weird it was straightforward I knew what was happening and at the end I didn't feel like I'd just wasted 2 hours of my life cos I had fuck all idea what happened. Call me stupid but....
Anyone who knows what they just watched the first time they watch Eraserhead IS A FUCKIN LIAR
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