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mcmikey
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 01/26/2004 : 09:08:35
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Originally posted by TarTar
I really enjoyed Barton Fink, even though I really didn't know what to make of it when I watched it and I'm not sure I know what to make of it now, either. Hollywood is a metaphor for... Hell, right? I know, it's supposed to be very open for interpretation. Almost Lynch-ian.
Alcohol or pot? VHS or Beta? Man or Astro-man?
I liked it more than the Lynch films I've seen. Simply because although a little weird it was straightforward I knew what was happening and at the end I didn't feel like I'd just wasted 2 hours of my life cos I had fuck all idea what happened. Call me stupid but....
Anyone who knows what they just watched the first time they watch Eraserhead IS A FUCKIN LIAR
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Sugar Is Sweet...Im Gonna Break Your Face.
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 10:45:30
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As no one says. Blunt but true
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 12:12:00
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Originally posted by apl4eris
A movie I caught some of just the other day, which is just beautiful, is "Vertical Ray of the Sun". After 30 minutes, I was ready to pack my bags and move to Vietnam. Beautiful cinematography, and quiet moments with more in them than several other movies put together.
 Today, we're gonna learn poodles how to fly.
Yeah, I liked that one very much, just like I really loved The Flowers of Shangai and In the Mood for Love. I know there is all this hype about the Asian cinema, but in these cases, I think it's really worth it.
what have I become, my Swedish friend? / everyone one I know goes away in the end |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 15:46:28
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Yeah, Eraserhead definitely. I can still remember the grimace on my face with the chicken/baby thing.
The other Lynch one that knocked me back a little was Lost Highway. It got to the end and then was all 'but this is where we started. Huh? Wha?'
Ace though.
Do I win most obscure prize if I say Fitzcarraldo? Its a German movie about a guy trying to build an opera house in the Amazon rainforest. Basically, most of the film is taken up with the crew pulling a paddle steamer over a hill, which they actually did in real life. Apparently, Werner Herzog and Klaus Kinski almost killed each other making this film.
Apocalypse Now, also. You could give me a list of reasons why it isn't such a great film. I've heard them all, and I still don't care. That is one incredible film.
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TheCroutonFuton
- Mr. Setlists -
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 15:48:27
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Yes, Apocalypse Now always gets me...every damn time.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 15:55:57
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
Yeah, Eraserhead definitely. I can still remember the grimace on my face with the chicken/baby thing.
The other Lynch one that knocked me back a little was Lost Highway. It got to the end and then was all 'but this is where we started. Huh? Wha?'
Ace though.
Do I win most obscure prize if I say Fitzcarraldo? Its a German movie about a guy trying to build an opera house in the Amazon rainforest. Basically, most of the film is taken up with the crew pulling a paddle steamer over a hill, which they actually did in real life. Apparently, Werner Herzog and Klaus Kinski almost killed each other making this film.
Apocalypse Now, also. You could give me a list of reasons why it isn't such a great film. I've heard them all, and I still don't care. That is one incredible film.
"I joined the Cult Of Cheese/E-Damn!"
i love FITZCARRALDO, as i love Herzog.. Cheeseman - if you want to see a great documentary about Herzog and Kinski, and the making of that film you have to check out MY BEST FIEND. it's another Herzog film that came out a few years ago about his working relationship with Klaus Kinski, but they cover FITZCARRALDO in depth. it's FUCKING CRAZY! soooo funny. one of the best documentaries i've seen period. but if you're a Herzog fan it's even more of a must see.
there's another great film called BURDON OF DREAMS which is specifically about the making of FITZCARRALDO, which is equally good, but not as funny. MY BEST FIEND takes the best parts of BURDON OF DREAMS and includes all the other insanity. Klaus Kinski was a serious nutjob (and Herzog is not the most timid person either)..
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 15:57:39
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The best director ever : EISENSTEIN !
what have I become, my Swedish friend? / everyone one I know goes away in the end |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 16:08:28
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hey adnan, you're French.. did you see SECRET THINGS? (CHOSES SECRETES that is)..
that's probably the best film i saw in 2003.. tied with BIG FISH. it was released in France in 2002, but wasn't released here till last year, so i consider it a 2003 release.
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 16:41:11
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I didn't see Big Fish. And I didn't see Choses Secrètes. I was in Sweden back then, so I can't really say.
I don't like French movies that much. I hate Godard. I hate everything that is "intellectualizing". French actors are sooooo incredible, they all try to quote Heidegger and stuff like that without understanding shit about it. They try to answer questions that nobody asks himself by complicated concepts they don't understand. They're all trying to be Proust. Or they're trying to mystify things. There is one thing that really makes you realize that most of this people are crooks : it's this total absence of humour when they talk about their own creations. The best French writer still alive, Julien Gracq, wrote a book about that, and he always refused to participate to this mundane events (he refused the most prestigious French litterary prize, and when invited by the president Mitterrand to a dinner with Queen Elizabeth, he declined the offer).
I am sorry to get so upset. For you it must be funny, but we're fed with this kind of things all the time...
Then again, I didn't see Choses Secrètes, only the trailer which was not of great help, so I really cannot say anything on this one...I'll try to see it these days.
Oh, I just saw La Jetée (mentioned by FB), and it is really a great movie, a masterpiece of sci fi. I really like old sci fi, like The Day of the Tryphids.
what have I become, my Swedish friend? / everyone one I know goes away in the end |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 16:55:40
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Adnan, I don't think I've ever seen an Eisenstein movie - do you have any recommendations? I am still reading "Underworld" by Don Dellilo, and there is a detailed description of an Eisenstein film, and of Eisenstein, but I have no way of knowing if it was a real film or fictionalized, or a collage of several. Have you read this book?
I have seen "Fitzcarraldo", "My Best Friend" and Herzog's version of "Nosferatu" - very good movies, but in all it was difficult to see past the director/actor relationship (obviously in "My Best Friend" that would be expected). "Fitzcarraldo" was epic and stunning. Them boys is crazy.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 17:14:25
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Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible
I didn't see Big Fish. And I didn't see Choses Secrètes. I was in Sweden back then, so I can't really say.
I don't like French movies that much. I hate Godard. I hate everything that is "intellectualizing". French actors are sooooo incredible, they all try to quote Heidegger and stuff like that without understanding shit about it. They try to answer questions that nobody asks himself by complicated concepts they don't understand. They're all trying to be Proust. Or they're trying to mystify things. There is one thing that really makes you realize that most of this people are crooks : it's this total absence of humour when they talk about their own creations. The best French writer still alive, Julien Gracq, wrote a book about that, and he always refused to participate to this mundane events (he refused the most prestigious French litterary prize, and when invited by the president Mitterrand to a dinner with Queen Elizabeth, he declined the offer).
I am sorry to get so upset. For you it must be funny, but we're fed with this kind of things all the time...
Then again, I didn't see Choses Secrètes, only the trailer which was not of great help, so I really cannot say anything on this one...I'll try to see it these days.
Oh, I just saw La Jetée (mentioned by FB), and it is really a great movie, a masterpiece of sci fi. I really like old sci fi, like The Day of the Tryphids.
what have I become, my Swedish friend? / everyone one I know goes away in the end
believe me, i know what you're saying.. there are plenty of French films like that.. but there are so many great French films too. including Godard. some of his stuff is unbearable, but i still love PIERROT LE FOU and MASCULINE FEMININE... maybe you're sick of it because you're there, but the whole French New Wave thing is still inspiring. they really changed the face of cinema in a lot of ways.. and the whole movement was so energized and spontaneous.. a bunch of critics who said, "fuck it, let's make our own movies".. without the French New Wave we wouldn't have half of the cool movies we have today.
there are some great contemporary French directors too though, like Patrice Leconte and Jean Pierre-Jeunet (not so much for AMELIE but for DELICATESSEN)..
and Jean Pierre Melville is nothing to be ashamed of. LE SAMOURI? c'mon adnan, you should be proud of your fellow countrymen.. (and women).
Luis Bunuel made some great French films too, even though he was Spanish. |
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 02:38:16
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Patrice Leconte is great, but I don't really like Jeunet (neither Amélie nor Delicatessen). There are some really good directors. André Téchiné is a great director. And the New Wave was not all crap, I like Truffaut, I just can't stand Godard.
I never understood Le Mépris, Godard's most famous movie. Brigitte Bardot asking Piccoli : and my arms, do you like my arms? - Yeah, I like your arms. - And my hair, do you like my hair? - I like your hair. - And my ass, do you like my ass? - I like your ass (I like it too, but I really don't see the point). Oh, and what the fuck was Fritz Lang doing in this movie, he is quoting Heidegger and Hölderlin, come on, give me a break!
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 02:41:01
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Oh, and Eris, for Eisenstein I can give you a recommendation, but I don't know the name in English. In French, it is "Le cuirassé Potemkine". And "Ivan the Terrible" is great.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 10:16:38
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Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible
Oh, and Eris, for Eisenstein I can give you a recommendation, but I don't know the name in English. In French, it is "Le cuirassé Potemkine". And "Ivan the Terrible" is great.
Written reports have purpose only if read by the king.
Thanks Adnan. By any chance have you read the book I mentioned that describes one of Eisenstein's "films", Underworld by Don DeLillo? If you are at all interested, in this book, the "legendary lost" film is supposedly "recently found in East Germany" and meticulously restored, titled "Unterwelt", circa 1929. I came across this summary of the book's chapter containing this film: http://perival.com/delillo/underworld_4.html
The movie described in the book apparently does not exist?....Also mentioned here, in an intriguing connection to Frank Black - City of Quartz : Excavating the Future in Los Angeles (ie. Llano del Rio, Ray Bradbury, etc. etc.!)....Layers and layers and layers....
What an incredible book, by the way!
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 10:44:18
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apl, i'm a huge Delillo fan.. i've read almost all of his books, but for some reason i couldn't get through UNDERWORLD. i'm about 100 pages into it (i started it a few years ago) and haven't gone back yet. i should take a second crack at it.
i'm assuming you've read WHITE NOISE.. one of my all-time favorites. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 11:12:32
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Yes - I loved White Noise. Underworld is even better, but I agree that for the first 200 pages or so, it can be a struggle. I'm at 545 now, and I am so glad I trudged through. It takes a long while to grow accustomed to the meter of moving from one character and scene to another - the voices and mindsets don't start to make a cohesive "symphony" until around the 400s or so (for me). If you love DeLillo, floop, I don't know how you feel about Laurie Anderson, but she has done things reflective of his work. This book reminds me of Foucault's Pendulum, but with an American neurosis and expansiveness....dunno if that makes any sense....
Anyhoo - I am really looking forward to seeing some Eisenstein - the LA/Ray Bradbury/Job Harriman/Man Ray/Frank Black connection makes it all the more exciting.
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 15:21:10
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It's the first time I hear about that DeLillo guy, but I will try to find out...
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 15:32:51
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This post is my 500th (please congratulate me, I am so happy when people say I'm the best), but it is not pointless, not at all.
It concerns both DeLillo and the fact that the French overintellectualize evferything. Here's an overintellectualized essay on DeLillo by a French professor:
http://etudes.americaines.free.fr/TRANSATLANTICA/2/rouge.pdf
It is in French, so it is kind of pointless. But hey, it's my 500th post.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 15:36:37
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Hey thanks, Adnan - and congratulations on such a grande achievement!
I'll run the url thru babelfish and systransoft and see how they mangle the French language. Should be a funny read....
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 01/28/2004 : 16:35:01
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OK, now that I have read Cosmopolis I must say I don't like DeLillo very much. My feeling is that it is much like Brett Easton Ellis, but worse. I like Brett Easton Ellis very much, and DeLillo is not bad, his prose is more elaborate then BEE, but I really wasn't fascinated. Perhaps I should try Underworld...
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dougit
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Posted - 01/28/2004 : 16:51:06
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(only movies starting with a "B"...)
Brazil
Blue Velvet
Blade Runner |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/28/2004 : 17:13:10
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Barton Fink
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Sugar Is Sweet...Im Gonna Break Your Face. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 01/28/2004 : 18:13:48
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Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible
OK, now that I have read Cosmopolis I must say I don't like DeLillo very much. My feeling is that it is much like Brett Easton Ellis, but worse. I like Brett Easton Ellis very much, and DeLillo is not bad, his prose is more elaborate then BEE, but I really wasn't fascinated. Perhaps I should try Underworld...
I haven't read it, but from the reviews for this book posted by Delillo fans on amazon.com, it looks like it is far from a favorite.
So what did you do, Adnan, go out and buy the book last night and read it in one sitting? Do you sleep/eat/work? 
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Oh yeah, movies!..."Dreams" by Akira Kurosawa - and just about any of his movies, really.
[edit]: also, another one of my favorites that gets me in the deeper places, plus the bonus that it has Nick Cave and the Badseeds and Lou Reed in it!: "Wings of Desire"
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
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Posted - 01/29/2004 : 17:55:45
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Ooh, I looove WIngs of Desire. (And fuck that wimpy Nicolas Cage/Meg Ryan American remake!) So lovely. . . "als das Kind, Kind war. . ." And casting Peter Falk as himself (or was he?) was pure genius.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 10:31:00
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| LOTR trilogy...Kubrick's movies usually have that effect...Goodfellas...Spielberg, Scorsese....lots more. |
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