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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 01/16/2004 : 15:33:35
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As Black Francis?
I have my doubts. I know that the music he writes now and its influences were always there even with the pixies but Im not sure how he could go back to writing in that mould say. Thats not to say if they jamb they couldn't write fantastic music again but I dunno. It seems perhaps that if he wrote stuff it would be like someone trying to write pixies stuff. Im not saying this is going to happen or anything Im just a little worried that if it is more than just a tour it may ruin things. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 15:40:53
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I reckon he probably could, but it would seem a little retrogressive, don't you think? The Pixies were one of the great alternative bands, and hugely influential, but the operative word is were. Its like he's been there, done it, got the Death To The Pixies T-Shirt...
CT's songwriting has always progressed throughout his career: COP is completely different in many ways to TLM, likewise his solo stuff has moved on.
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 15:42:08
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That's what is so stupid about the reunion.
What does it mean "write a Pixies song"? There was an evolution in the sound of the Pixies, and Bossanova sounds more like Frank Black than like Come on Pilgrim.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 15:48:53
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Thats true. I always felt that FB self-titled (TUOA/TOYA) was a direct progression from TLM, but looking at FB&TC's now, they're a completely different beast.
Cool, 5 acronyms in one sentence.
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 15:50:33
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Open letter to Mr Black
Do a re-union tour make some cash get some re-exposure. Quit after the tour make a Frank Black album. Release a single plus maybe a video. Watch the money roll in. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 15:57:31
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| Oh you are so not getting a congratulations on your 500th post thread Malax ;) |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 16:37:06
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WAH! But my post makes sense. No one wants to ruin the pixies legacy.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 17:06:19
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But Malax,
do you really want to turn on MTV and see Frank Black? That would ruin it! Watch what would happen to this forum if he got main stream exposure. You and I wouldn't be on here for long. Unless you like threads that compare Frank to Justin.
I can see it now
Why Doesn't Frank dance more during his shows?
Since the only new music I'm really digging these days is Frank and Modest Mouse, that would leave me one unhappy fella. I'm running out of bands to like.
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Conrad
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 17:14:08
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| Charles doesn't write Pixies songs or Frank Black songs. He writes songs. |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 18:52:07
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| That's a really good point. I suppose you have to look at the evolution in a sense. If there were no Pixies there'd be no Frank Black...and would Frank Black be as popular, more/less(?) if the Pixies were more/less popular or more/less influential? I suppose there is no point in talking about what if's but I like to think that Charles Thompson writes as persona's. You know, like David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust (not a comparison, just an example) and that as Mr Thompson says, he is God when he is writing music...he can be anything he wants. I dont think that Black Francis and Frank Black are a million miles apart, obviously, as they are in a sense the same person, just evolved over time. And as he believes, as I do, that he is a better songwriter now then I would welcome a new Pixies album if they chose to do so. |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 19:12:09
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You make a good point. Please bare in mind I was just starting a topic not claiming sides for either argument. I'd welcome a new album with open arms. As to wether I would still welcome it after I've heard it. Well..
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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 19:17:43
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I've written--what?--250 songs. You can't get all choked up about every single damn one of them; I'd be a mess, I wouldn't be able to function. So you have to have a little bit of an aloof attitude about your own music. It isn't because you're detached; it's just that at the end of the day it's just rock-and-roll songs. You can't make a mountain out of a molehill.
charles thompson a.k.a black francis a.k.a frank black (a.k.a frank francis?)
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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 19:47:05
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
But Malax,
do you really want to turn on MTV and see Frank Black? That would ruin it! Watch what would happen to this forum if he got main stream exposure. You and I wouldn't be on here for long. Unless you like threads that compare Frank to Justin.
I can see it now
Why Doesn't Frank dance more during his shows?
Since the only new music I'm really digging these days is Frank and Modest Mouse, that would leave me one unhappy fella. I'm running out of bands to like.
Note to self - Flowers smell pretty!
i see your point but i guess you are at the old indie dilemma:an artist that only me knows about or quality music for the masses?
IMHO tv and media in general are only instruments,if an artist is valid he will float and survive his success(see frank black)if not he will go down with his hype after having 15 minutes of exposure(see 99,9% of modern groups).to answer your question i prefer turning on the tv and seeing a fb video instead of the usual crap.what's wrong about it?the man himself isn't so much against mainstream exposure:
talking about management and record label exposure:
"Only if people are doin' their job and getting me on the damn radio. If that doesn't happen, then no, I don't see a broader audience. I see a smaller audience."
talking about promoting albums:
"Sometimes I feel like I'm on a political campaign,I've kissed a lot of babies, I've shook a lot of hands."
and most important of all:(in response to all the pixies related questions about the pixies shadow):
The only thing that would give me revenge would be if I had a hit that somehow overshadowed it.(the pixies commercial success)
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 20:10:16
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You know what? You are absolutey right.
The guy deserves to be a billionare. If he did a duet with Christina Skagliera during the damn superbowl, while wearing a Pepsi shirt. I'd be clapping all the way.
Just don't kiss her Frank! I don't care how much they offer. DON"T KISS HER!
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 20:47:31
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do you really want to turn on MTV and see Frank Black? That would ruin it! Watch what would happen to this forum if he got main stream exposure. You and I wouldn't be on here for long. Unless you like threads that compare Frank to Justin.
Do you think that would ever be the case, though? Even if Frank becomes super-popular, I have a hard time imagining it would be with the teenybopper crowd. I suppose you never know, though.
-Nathan
And how does lemur's skin reflect the sea?
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 21:11:45
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I, as well as many other fans out there, am looking forward to this almost-completely-but-not-quite-confirmed reunion. And although I am confused by the notion of a new Pixies album, with songs written as the Pixies, I have no doubt that it would be a phenomenal album. Of course Frank can still write. He does it all the time for the Catholics. His Pixies songs translate beautifully to the Catholics format. But the concern I've been weening from this topic is the question as to whether or not he can write Pixies songs anymore. I believe somebody here said that he just "writes songs." I agree. I have no worries that if the Pixies were to record another album it would sound anything like the Pixies playing Frank Black songs. It would most definately sound like the Pixies. Granted it would have evolved quite a bit, just as Trompe Le Monde had evolved drastically from Come On Pilgrim (both equally awe-inspiring). But it's still THE PIXIES. There is a common thread of greatness through everything they did, and it comes from the four of them playing together. Something very earth-shattering happened when those four people first got together and played their instruments. Something as magical and mythical as a storybook "pixie." (not to sound hokey or anything, but hey, it's true) It's something that has inspired countless people to attempt to emulate and duplicate yet never actually pull it off. It's why, as amazing as Frank Black's solo career is, and as much as I love each and every one of his songs, Franks solo songs lack that dynamic. I'm not saying they're better or worse. But if you put Joey, Kim, Frank and David back in a studio together, they would make a PIXIES album. And it would, as all their other albums, be amazing. I hate writing a novel here (especially for my first contribution to this flattering forum), but I felt compelled to speak my mind. Okay. I've rambled enough.
P.S. I really dig this forum. Seeing other people gush makes everything feel a bit.... er... nicer?
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 22:06:04
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
... Unless you like threads that compare Frank to Justin.
 
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 22:07:49
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Nice one D
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 22:19:26
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Oh man... this might be the scariest photoshop work I've ever done.
This is like an illusion. One of those things were you can see two different images. A wine glass? Or two faces? Justin Timberlake? Or Frank Black?
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 01/16/2004 : 22:58:39
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whoa
freaky
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dogjones
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USA
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Posted - 01/17/2004 : 02:48:31
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now insted of singing songs about how much he wants to hump art house chicks he gets to sing songs about all the ones who keep dumping him...
i dont know..i'd get worried about homeboy's blood preasure if he had to perform "rock music" and "tame" 100 times a year.
pixies are done...enjoy the reunion...hope they can still give life to the songs they once belted out like their lives depended on it. if its gonna happen, it might as well be now i guess.
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/17/2004 : 04:07:28
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| Im sure I heard him screaming that he wants to sleep with your brain...and go fuck your yang! Hehe, not anyone personally...just listing a couple of examples. Ok maybe not as full on as rock music...but come on...hes not bloody mick jagger pushing 70!!! And if anything the voice is better than ever, hes had 12 or so years to rest that pixies scream! Anyway, no need to be so negative...what does it matter if they reform/reunite? It's their legacy...they can do what they want with it. What they have done, will do or wont do won't make me think differently about the band...as fans we feel we have the right to ride the wave of our favourite bands crescendo, hanging onto their legacy for dear life, wearing it like a badge or a fashion statement. Sure they came and changed our world for the better, but everyone's a critic, everyone's knowledge is subjective. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2004 : 06:15:06
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Though I think I could accept a one-off tour, I wouldn't want a new album. That said--if you take a song like Bullet, and speed up the tempo , you would have a ringer for an 80's Pixies tune.
And wanting FB not to have any more success commercially is a little selfish I think. These days music is so streamlined, it's nearly impossible to have a modern rock album be another Nevermind, the type of success that happens to acts like Frank these days would mean at the very most a gold record, but the "indie" bands who seem to make it up to an MTV level aren't exactly as big as The Beatles now. A big break for Frank would mean an album that made a buzz along the lines of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot or that Interpol album, without a sexy young image it's impossible to sell any more (sadly). |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
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Posted - 01/17/2004 : 06:36:31
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Good question, Malax. My personal answer is clearly: no. I really don't see how Frank could forget or simply throw away everything he learned, all the musical / writing experiments he made in 10 years of solo experience. Remember what he said a couple of years ago about the possibility of a Pixies reunion: 'I've graduated from that particular class. It's like being asked if you want to go back to the 10th grade, and you're like, No, I'm in high school now.' It's clear to me that, even if he reformed the Pixies - I'm still a bit skeptical -, Frank would be unwilling, maybe even unable, to write good-old-Pixies-like songs.
One more thing: IMO the fact that Frank now covers some Pixies songs live doesn't mean that he's nostalgic for the Pixies era, it simply means that some of Black Francis' songs still have a place in Frank Black's musical universe. |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2004 : 08:19:23
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Finally someone who doesn't just jump straight on the we love frank bandwagon. I'd say that quote says just about everything that this post asks. Can't argue with the man himself. You've made me a happy man Frog In The Sand.
Gloat Gloat Gloat Gloat
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Chip.
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Posted - 01/17/2004 : 08:26:54
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| I agree with itchload. The reason kids wear pixies t-shirts at all these days is caus they dont actually know what he looks like. I remember picturing this really rock star skinny heroin addict with a cigarette in hit mouth. More like iggy pop than frank black. He doesnt have that "cool" look. |
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therewererumours
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1240 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2004 : 17:44:54
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If you had Bossanova as your introdution , you were never under that illusion. K-Mart rocks! I stopped wearing combats and black t-shirts to look like the Pixies. And now through genetics, I actually look like Frank Black!
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Kyrre
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Posted - 01/18/2004 : 00:16:19
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I agree with many of the writers here. Pixies is in the past. It’s over. History tells us that bands reuniting after more than 10 years rarely create good music…. That's what is so stupid about the reunion. I agree there was an evolution in the Pixies sound, in the way that FB sounds like Pixies evolved and mature. And better….
I don’t want to see Frank Black on MTV, BUT I would like to see him have some success commercially. I have followed him (and Pixies-offspring’s) the last 16 years…..of course I would love to see the man have some success and make some money. But if it means Pixies, I don’t know. How can they be better than his solos? Or how can it be better than the Catholics records??? I have my doubt.
But, as someone said, they can do whatever they want. We’re talking about grown ups.
I’m the guy from wonderland
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dogjones
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Posted - 01/18/2004 : 01:33:29
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didnt mean to be negative sounding...but a band that takes 10 years off, moves on, goes through rehab, works with 3-4 different bands, etc, well...they rarely re-connect in a way that's magic. ive seen my share of reunion tours from the "wow, that was nice." to the "wow, i wish i had my $10 back." im yet to be blown away, unfortunately.
im not a kid, ive seen the pixies a few times...seen frank black many times...its a whole different show, not even similar...not even close. one is an agressively passionate broad sounding progression of art rock, the other rocked that route a short while before becoming the band you wish you could see in any bar you walk into.
as i said before...enjoy the reunion...im not here to start trouble, but i am not as pumped as some are about something i consider not really all that exciting. |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/18/2004 : 03:27:48
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| Yeah, sorry wasnt meaning to be offensive, but kinda looks that way! Oops! I suppose it's just quite exciting, the whole thought of another Pixies album because in my mind it would be the best thing ever. However, that's just in my mind ;) But as long hes still around and making music (preferably with the Catholics) im happy! |
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2004 : 06:10:05
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Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
[quote]Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
But Malax,
do you really want to turn on MTV and see Frank Black?
Why Doesn't Frank dance more during his shows?
Since the only new music I'm really digging these days is Frank and Modest Mouse, that would leave me one unhappy fella. I'm running out of bands to like.
i see your point but i guess you are at the old indie dilemma:an artist that only me knows about or quality music for the masses?
IMHO tv and media in general are only instruments,if an artist is valid he will float and survive his success(see frank black)if not he will go down with his hype after having 15 minutes of exposure(see 99,9% of modern groups).to answer your question i prefer turning on the tv and seeing a fb video instead of the usual crap.what's wrong about it?the man himself isn't so much against mainstream exposure:
talking about management and record label exposure:
"Only if people are doin' their job and getting me on the damn radio. If that doesn't happen, then no, I don't see a broader audience. I see a smaller audience."
talking about promoting albums:
"Sometimes I feel like I'm on a political campaign,I've kissed a lot of babies, I've shook a lot of hands."
BLAGHBLAGHBLAGH
-HE'S BEEN ON mtv AND alternative RADiO (Los Angeles and Headache).
what i'm trying to figure out is what was the theme of this thread?
something about his writing - 'mould say??!!' what the hell is that??
and frankly his stats in the publics eye is a done died and re-incarnated and died four times dead horse.
-the public eats way too much crap - believes way too much crap
and creates/consumes way too much crap that is loosely referred to as music -thank god FB&Ceez are not affiliated.
Why Doesn't Frank dance more during his shows?
-MAYBE BECAUSE HE IS PLAYING AND SINGING?...
in my eyes that chop motion of strumming the guitar resembles a dance.
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/18/2004 : 08:20:49
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The thing is, there is as much difference between the PIXIES sound and the FRANK BLACK sound as there is between Frank Black and Frank Black or between Pixies and Pixies...
If their unprobable new album sounds like Surfer Rosa, that will be because FB wanted it on purpose, to seduce the Pixies fans and get their money.
Now virtually everyone's singing a Pixies song / But I still believe in the excellent joy of Frank Black |
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dogjones
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Posted - 01/19/2004 : 06:54:09
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| heh..yeah, the pixies hosted 120 Minutes a few times..i remember one in particular where they were pimping "doolittle" and did the whole show similar to the "here comes your man" video where they dubbed the WHOLE show's vocal parts then performed the show's chit-chat open mouth style...if you've seen the video you know what im talking about, just imagine 2 hours of segways and chit chat between videos...odd stuff |
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IceCream
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Posted - 01/19/2004 : 09:32:15
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| I think he can still write as BF. |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2004 : 18:20:39
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Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible
The thing is, there is as much difference between the PIXIES sound and the FRANK BLACK sound as there is between Frank Black and Frank Black or between Pixies and Pixies...
If their unprobable new album sounds like Surfer Rosa, that will be because FB wanted it on purpose, to seduce the Pixies fans and get their money.
You forget there are 3 other members in the band
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2004 : 03:24:08
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I've noticed a common theme among these threads, and it seems to me that we're focusing way too much on whether or not WE would like the possibility of a reunion tour/new album. I just had a warm fuzzy thought about this massive crowd at Coachella waiting to see Radiohead when a band that some of them of vaguely heard of but never really heard takes the stage. They could be (should be, probably will be) blown away by it. I'm the youngest Pixies fan I know, personally, and I'm 23 years old. There are so many kids out there who never got to hear the Pixies. They've just heard Pixies-wannabes. I think if the Pixies are willing to give a whole new audience (lets face it, by now it is) a chance to revel in their greatness, hey, I dig it.
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