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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 11/04/2003 : 06:59:26
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Has anyone seen the previews for The Clone Wars on Cartoon Network.
They look better than the movies to me.
That guy is pretty cool. I think Samurai Jack is one of the best animations I have seen in a long time. It's really stylized very cooly.
Does he do Dexter's Labratory or Powerpuff Girls as well?
What's the lowdown, all you anime people....
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 07:08:21
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yes
that's the guy
There will be new Dexters soon.
Cartoon Network is on pay-cable here, but it used to be on the regular tv channels, I guess they don't have lot's of customers because they are broadcasting free show now and then. That's how I saw the clone wars thing, and it looked REALLY great. I'm a fan of Star Wars, but lot's of spin-off's are terrible, this one isn't.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 10:01:17
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I don't think it looks good really. Animation has gone down the shitter these past bunch of years. I am still excited to see it though.
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 10:33:49
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Just curious. Why don't you think it looks good?
Have you seen his other cartoons. They are similar. |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 10:40:54
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Well I saw some of Samurai Jack once and thought it was very interesting but never revisited it again. I guess I just don't think the style of animation is right for the show; reminds me too much of shit like X-Men Evolution. Man, what has happened to real artistry?
Does that guy really do Dexter? I really don't like Dexter either, not to be a negative Nancy.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2003 : 10:41:52
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btw swimmer, did you ever check back at the dream post? Were you just messing with me or did that all really happen? You said you would explain - just wondering.
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 11:06:31
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
btw swimmer, did you ever check back at the dream post? Were you just messing with me or did that all really happen? You said you would explain - just wondering.
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye"
No, it really happened. I guess I don't know what else to tell you other than that it was exactly the same dream/remembrance.
I don't know if that's a common thing or what. It is certainly intriguing.
It was sort of slow motion. Maybe it really happened you know. Maybe we could fly/float as children in our feet pajamas and we somehow forgot/lost that ability as we gre up.
I think that's entirely possible.
Who knows what that other 90% of our brain can let us do.
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 11:08:21
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Maybe it's all in the feet pajamas.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 13:31:10
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hahaha, great pic, wish I could make it my avatar. Yeah we were probably like Peter Pan . . . :(
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 15:06:03
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Originally posted by the swimmer
Has anyone seen the previews for The Clone Wars on Cartoon Network.
They look better than the movies to me.
That guy is pretty cool. I think Samurai Jack is one of the best animations I have seen in a long time. It's really stylized very cooly.
Does he do Dexter's Labratory or Powerpuff Girls as well?
What's the lowdown, all you anime people....
There's two main guys that I've seen that are behind the Cartoon Network animations. One, is Genndy Tartovsky, who does Samurai Jack and Dexter's Laboratory. The other guy, Craig McCracken, is responsible for the Powerpuff Girls. Although I'm fairly sure you might see Tartovsky's name on the credits to both somewhere. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 16:59:38
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
hahaha, great pic, wish I could make it my avatar. Yeah we were probably like Peter Pan . . . :(
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye"
That's a sad thought. Because it means we forgot now.
Now I'm depressed. |
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switchy
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 20:03:13
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do they make pajamas with feet in adult sizes? damn, that'd be sweet! my pajama legs are always riding up on me.
i just now Googled "feet pajamas" and only came up with a bunch of porn sites. crap. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 20:22:56
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| swimmer, why don't you just go ahead and change this into the Genndy Tartokovsky and Clone Wars Cartoon seguing into the pajama discussion thread? |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2003 : 20:42:08
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Switchy, I do believe big people's footies exist. My sister asked for a pair a few years ago for Christmas but then she's a little big person.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 21:07:33
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I hate modern day animation. It's all so flat and undetailed. Look at the original He-Man vs the new one...the original TMNT vs the new one...old GI Joe episodes....
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 21:16:27
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Dude, I've seen quite a few of those old tv shows that I used to love like He-Man, Scooby and even GI Joe. They suck!!! The animation is terrible!!! I didn't remember them being so bad from when I was younger. Don't get me wrong, I still love them, but I wouldn't say that they were well-drawn. Nor would I say that Tartakovsky and McCracken's style of animation is typical of that of today...I rather like Samurai Jack, and the "flat and undetailed" style to me harkens back to the old United Artists cartoons from my childhood like the Pink Panther, the Anteater and the Inspector. (Remember those..?) But today's style is just as varied and diverse as anything that they put out back in the 70's and 80's...
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 21:38:42
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Originally posted by glacial906
swimmer, why don't you just go ahead and change this into the Genndy Tartokovsky and Clone Wars Cartoon seguing into the pajama discussion thread?
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 22:03:08
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sorry glacial, I'm finally going to have to completely disagree with you. Today's animation is almost entirely lacking. The toons you listed as sucking aren't, admittedly, the best examples of good old time animation but overall it was better than it is today. Call it style if you like but today's animation is just lazy.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/05/2003 : 00:11:33
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Just out of curiosity, what are some programs from the 1980's that you consider to be outstanding animation, if it was "overall" better than it is now? (Again, just out of curiosity for someone else's outlook -- I'm not in the habit of trying to dissuade people from their own opinion.) Mainly I was responding to how El Barto was trying to harken back to several specific shows as being better than todays animation -- again, all a matter of personal taste. I just don't agree that GI JOE and He-Man are very good examples of superior animation...
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 11/05/2003 : 03:51:28
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80's animation is hilarious! Do you remember Cities Of Gold, Belle & Sebastien or 80 Days Around The World?
The problem with cartoons now is not the animation but the content. With the honourable exceptions of Spongebob Squarepants and The Slightly Odd Parents, kids TV sucks now.
 "I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid"
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2003 : 10:32:39
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again, I have to say Spongebob is terrible and what the hell is with cancelling Zim but keeping the Fairly Odd Parents???
Glacial, I think animation can definately be better today but it's so mass produced that the majority of stuff out there is trash. I think Thunder Cats was well drawn as well as. . . um. . . ok you stumped me.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 11/05/2003 : 10:36:40
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Ooh, Thundercats, HO!
How about Wild Thornberry's? Genius!
"I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid"
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JamesM
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 10:41:50
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The actual animation quality and budget is MUCH higher than days of yore (or at least the late 60's - early 90's); while you may not like the ART, the animation is generally more fluid and with a higher frame rate than what you grew up with. Sounds to me like a case of nostalgia, sirs and madams.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 12:12:09
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I love old cartoons as much as anybody, but I would have to agree with you, James.
One aspect of the animation field is that is increasingly being dominated and overshadowed by 3D animation, like Jimmy Neutron, Beast Wars, and the like. I for one like 3D...I hope it doesn't ever completely replace 2D animation, but as in all fields new technology replaces the old, and it takes a while for people to appreciate the art involved. Has anyone seen that Spider-Man cartoon on MTV? That's about all I can stand to watch on that station, but I really like that show.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 12:59:40
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I know that the budget is higher and all and I am nostalgic but that's not my only reason for liking older stuff. Computer animation may be more fluid but it's fairly talentless or at least boring. Don't get me wrong, the good animation of today is far better than anything from the 80's, I just wish they'd bring it back to hand drawn art.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 13:01:08
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Also, before anyone jumps on me, I know it takes a lot of skill to do good computer animation so I do respect that to some extent.
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 13:02:23
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And speaking of hand drawn...Anyone else sick of cg in sci fi rather than good old fashioned models?
They photographed much better.
I mean, jesus, why didn't they make the new Star Warses all animation rather than the "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" Style that the first two (and I'm sure the third will be) have been.
Remember how much more REAL it looked and it really took you away.... |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2003 : 13:19:04
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I agree totally. I hate CGI. Sure it can be done extremely well but more often than not it's half assed. I hate it I hate it I hate it! So much anger.
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 13:24:44
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
I agree totally. I hate CGI. Sure it can be done extremely well but more often than not it's half assed. I hate it I hate it I hate it! So much anger.
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye"
Take a deep breath.
Let it out slowly....
Think about The ORIGINAL Star Wars Death Star Explosion and NOT the halo-ed CGI version....
Feel better? |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2003 : 13:48:23
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| If the software was available back when the original Star Wars was made, I'd bet you anything that George Lucas would've used it. |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2003 : 13:50:57
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George Lucas is a twat, here me!!?? A DUMB TWA . . . ok, breathing . . . thanks swimmer.
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 13:57:20
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Originally posted by glacial906
If the software was available back when the original Star Wars was made, I'd bet you anything that George Lucas would've used it.
Yeah, but then we wouldn't have grown up with the real models and we would have been used to it and we wouldn't miss it at all and we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
So what's your point?
It's definitely a hell of a lot more cost effecient and it allows you to do some kick ass things...don't get me wrong but there is something missing when he tries to finish something he started with old technology with new technology.
It doesn't flow, though I know he's going back in and changing them all to flow better. Great. Wipe out the memory of that time in my childhood that the dog bit my shorts off too while you're at it.
Do things with CGI you definitely CAN NOT do with real models. Make someone fly REALLY good or create something NO one has ever seen before. Just don't use it to cut costs is all I'm saying. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 14:05:29
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Okay, realmean and swimmer,
I don't want to sound like a CGI-Nazi or anything, so here's my deal:
I am not trying to push my opinions on you guys. I think there were alot of amazing effects done in movies before CGI, Star Wars being a good example. I can understand people's viewpoints on CGI, because it does SOMETIMES, IMO, detract emotion from the characters. I would much rather be a 2D animator than a 3D, because 3D is getting far away from being a traditional art form, and more toward SOLELY knowing about computers. (Although most 3D programs have 2D animation cel renderers built in these days, i.e. Cinema 4D.) I would say the Matrix Reloaded would be a bad example of CGI, in that it is really noticeable when they would 'switch' from real Neo to CGI Neo when he'd be fighting all the Agent Smiths or something. I am not the biggest proponent of CGI for special effects in movies. But, again, IMO, movies like "Finding Nemo" and "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" look stunning. (And in the case of Finding Nemo, the music was top notch too, done by Thomas Neumann who does the movie score to American Beauty.) I will admit the plot to FF sucked serious ass though. Overall, CGI can be done well or it can be a lame attempt to dazzle viewers to take attention away from otherwise obvious lack of characterization or plot...
I suppose the real difference is, to me if it's done well it doesn't detract from emotion or anything...I look at it as a more recent, but still valid, form of art (even if it is shying away from anything resembling traditional art.)
I wish I'd been born about 30 years ago, when the professional art field wasn't dominated by CGI-based applications, because I'd really have liked to been the next Rodney Matthews or something, it's just really hard to get a job in conventional media like that...I do like computer graphics, but not so much as simply sketching or painting, I just figured I needed to get on with something a little more lucrative.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 14:11:11
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| BTW, Swimmer, my point in saying that George Lucas would've used today's technology if it had been available was just to say that it's not like the fond, nostalgic memories we have of the way Star Wars was was any intentional effort by George Lucas, he simply used the most advanced methods at his disposal, and that happened to be it at the time. (Although back then I'm sure that he has alot smaller budget, even taking into consideration inflation, to make these movies with.) |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 14:23:36
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Originally posted by glacial906
BTW, Swimmer, my point in saying that George Lucas would've used today's technology if it had been available was just to say that it's not like the fond, nostalgic memories we have of the way Star Wars was was any intentional effort by George Lucas, he simply used the most advanced methods at his disposal, and that happened to be it at the time. (Although back then I'm sure that he has alot smaller budget, even taking into consideration inflation, to make these movies with.)
Oh yeah, I know. I just meant that it is precisely because he used models first that we miss them now.
And so if he did use cgi first, we wouldn't care. I am sure there's a whole mess of kids who don't because they don't know the diff. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 14:30:08
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The whole idea that Lucas had for Star Wars was kind of difficult to do. I'm not sure exactly why he decided to do the last three first, and then go back and do the first three, and I don't know if he had in mind the discrepancy of how the first and last three looked...I imagine he knew that the special effects would be more "advanced" (a relative term) in a couple of decades, but I don't know why he decided to do them like that...
It's probably written somewhere, but my best guess would be that he just thought of the idea for Luke, Leia, Ben Kinobi, and Darth Vader first as kind of a small subset of some larger idea, and then extrapolated on that later...?
Incidentally, in "The Phantom Menace" they used a high-tech puppet for Yoda, and then in "Attack of the Clones" they CG'd him, and there is a HUGE discrepancy in just those two movies! |
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