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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 11/06/2003 : 14:39:02
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Originally posted by glacial906
The whole idea that Lucas had for Star Wars was kind of difficult to do. I'm not sure exactly why he decided to do the last three first, and then go back and do the first three, and I don't know if he had in mind the discrepancy of how the first and last three looked...I imagine he knew that the special effects would be more "advanced" (a relative term) in a couple of decades, but I don't know why he decided to do them like that...
It's probably written somewhere, but my best guess would be that he just thought of the idea for Luke, Leia, Ben Kinobi, and Darth Vader first as kind of a small subset of some larger idea, and then extrapolated on that later...?
Incidentally, in "The Phantom Menace" they used a high-tech puppet for Yoda, and then in "Attack of the Clones" they CG'd him, and there is a HUGE discrepancy in just those two movies!
As someone put it...Yoda in TPM looks like he has downs syndrome.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 15:21:09
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I don't mind CGI when used alone but I hate when it's mixed with real people and real worlds.
I believe Lucas wrote eps 4,,5 and 6 first and wrote 1,2 and 3 just recently. The Yoda from Ep 1 sucked.
models are almost always better in my opinion. No movie has yet bested the effects in Blade Runner.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2003 : 15:21:21
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
George Lucas is a twat, here me!!?? A DUMB TWA . . . ok, breathing . . . thanks swimmer.
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye"
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2003 : 15:22:20
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I don't guess that last post was totally necessary, but I just want to get the last couple before I hit 700...
I don't guess this one is necessary either, but oh well.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2003 : 15:23:18
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has anyone seen that episode of South Park when they totally shit all over Spielberg and Lucas for being money grubbing cocks? hilarious.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 15:35:44
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I'll tell you what, I don't think anyone's come up with a scarier monster than Alien, and that was, what, 1979?
 "I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid"
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 15:57:34
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| Blade Runner was amazingly impressive for it's time...and still holds up today, to a degree. I love that whole world...the spinners, the bad weather and gritty feel of L.A. of 2019...it's amazing. |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 16:25:09
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Blade Runner will always be amazing. It's so dumb that it's set in 2019. When the hell will directer's learn not to specify a year or at least make it like a million years in the future so that they don't see the day when their movie is dated?
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 16:38:45
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Besides the Replicants, I don't think that the technological advances in Blade Runner are out of our grasp by the year 2019.
I always thought it was funny that 2001: A Space Odyssey was supposed to be so far in the future, with lunar colonies and people exploring around Jupiter and the like, but here we are now, 2001 came and went, and things are nothing like they are in the movie. (Not that I expect the monolith to appear or anything like that, but you probably get my drift..) |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 16:51:29
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I guess you're right. I mean by the time 2019 rolls around we may have made some serious headway into making replicants, we can pretty much do that now. I think there are a few things out of reach though. If I remember correctly a lot of the replicants were slave workers on other planets that were being colonized by humans.
2001 is one of the worst movies of all time, right along with Close Encounters of the 3rd kind. Those are two of the most bullshit infested pieces of crappy crap I've ever seen. Did you like either of them?
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye" |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 18:02:46
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
2001 is one of the worst movies of all time, right along with Close Encounters of the 3rd kind. Those are two of the most bullshit infested pieces of crappy crap I've ever seen. Did you like either of them?
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Um...Will you hit me if I say yes?
Just kidding...I agree that they suck. One was made on drugs and the other one is just a cry for daddy.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 20:07:59
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| 2001 was okay, if a little bit slow paced. Maybe you just have to have read the book..? |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 20:14:31
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See the book and the script were written at the same time. Kubrick and whoever wrote the book came up with a very basic concept then went their seperate ways and wrote their own story. Neither had any GD idea what they were doing. When asked what anything meant Kubrick would just say "It's meant to raise more questions than answer questions" which is just his way of saying "I'm a snotty little pretentious film-maker who has no fucking clue what I meant to convey with this boring movie." Get you head out of your ass Kubrick!
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 20:26:30
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I'd have to say that the book and the movie follow along with each other pretty well, although as with almost anything the book is better. Have you actually even read 2001? You didn't seem to know that it was by Arthur C. Clarke, who is like, one of the most prominent sci-fi authors of all time, right up there with Isaac Asimov and Frank Herbert and a whole crapload of others. Whatever Kubrick meant to convey was pretty much what was written in the book. What about Full Metal Jacket? A Clockwork Orange?
You know, as shitty as that "Artificial Intelligence" movie was (AI) I really enjoyed what had been forged by Kubrick up until it developed that "Speilbergesque" quality to it towards the end. Speilberg did the same thing with "Schindler's List." (Although it didn't end happily, that monologue delivered by Oskar Schindler to all the Jewish factory workers was pretty sappy and ruined what had been a pretty good film.)
Man, realmean, me and you have gone from pretty much agreeing about everything to nothing, huh? |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 21:15:10
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well I wouldn't say nothing, just a couple of things of late.
No, I admit I haven't read the book. I know who Arthur C. Clarke is I just forgot that he wrote it.
Full metal Jacket is great, Clockwork Orange makes some great statements but not grand enough to justify its gruesomeness, just like Boogie Nights. I just can't stand to watch it.
I loved Shindler's List but, again, I have not read the book.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/06/2003 : 21:58:15
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/07/2003 : 06:34:44
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Originally posted by glacial906
I never read the book of Schindler's List.
Spoiler warning: Nazis eventually lose |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/07/2003 : 07:23:16
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Crap! Dammit all to hell you totally ruined it for me!
'sokay, I guess, they lost in the movie too. |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/07/2003 : 19:21:13
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Btw, I just saw Finding Nemo tonight. Well done CGI but was anyone else disappointed? It wasn't nearly as good as people have been saying it is. I actually found it quite annoying most of the time.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/07/2003 : 20:59:33
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2003 : 06:41:21
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our downward spiral shifts another degree.
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye" |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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1738 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2003 : 07:54:21
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| Your Popeye logo isn't working well these days. |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2003 : 08:05:23
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shit, I thought it was just the computer I was on - so you can't see it either eh? I might have to change it, thanks for letting me know. How long hasn't it been working? I only noticed it today.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2003 : 08:16:31
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| I noticed it last night too. It just displays an "x" |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2003 : 08:23:10
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| I see it. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2003 : 16:33:57
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Hey realmean and/or swimmer,
Jumping back to what we were talking about a few days ago, I heard from a reputable source that Disney is only one or two movies away from making the move to producing ONLY 3D animated movies. I think this sucks a big Tiajuanan donkey dick. I like 3D animation (as I'm sure you guys are aware, and don't really share that outlook) but I think it's a shame that they would completely replace traditional cel animation with it...
I like computers but I hate the fact that they are swiftly replacing all traditional, cool forms of media, like cartoons, comic books, etc. I really like the human element in all of these things, and I don't want to see them gone forever, replaced by CGI. What do you guys think?
BTW, one of the last movies that Disney is said to produce in 2D is that "Brother Bear" movie which looks pretty lame. You'd think they'd send 2D out with more of a bang, maybe something more Fantasia-like only all traditional animation than Fantasia 2000 was. (It was a conglomeration of 2D and 3D but mostly 3D.)
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/10/2003 : 17:14:54
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Well said glaish. That is so GD disappointing! I really hope you're wrong but fear you're right. Some 3D is fine, some really dig it and it can come out really great sometimes but to do away with 2D cell animation is, as you said, a horrible idea. Nothing is sacred anymore. It's not even like they've reached the limits of hand drawn animation; there's still room for improvement and innovation. C'mon, Aladdin was great!! I think we should protest, let Disney know we won't go to their movies no matter how good they are. Yeah, I know, that'll never work. And I agree that Bro. Bear looks lame. :(:(
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2003 : 17:29:26
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CGI sucks.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2003 : 18:02:09
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| Whatever. Remind me to start ridiculing one of your potential careers later, okay? |
Edited by - glacial906 on 11/10/2003 18:04:04 |
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