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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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 Posted - 09/09/2003 : 12:17:18
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Couple of neat left-leaning items:
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Woody's thoughts:
http://www.voiceyourself.com/03_thoughtsfromwithin/03_movie.php
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RESUME
George W. Bush: Accomplishments as President
*I attacked and took over two countries.
*I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury.
*I shattered the record for biggest annual deficit in history.
*I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
*I set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
*I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
*I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
*In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
*I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by any president in US history.
*In my first two years in office I allowed over 2 million Americans to lose their jobs.
*I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.
*I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
*I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
*I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.
*I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other president in US history.
*I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
*I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
*I cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
*I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind
*I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
*I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
*Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).
*I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
*I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.
*I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
*I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
*I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases,
more than any other president in US history.
*I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove
the US from the Human Rights Commission.
*I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
*I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
*I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
*I withdrew from the World Court of Law.
*I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
*I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.
*I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
*I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
*I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force One)
*I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
*I took the world's sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
*I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
*I am the first US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than by their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
*I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government
contracts.
*I set the all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
*I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
*In a little over two years I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the civil war.
*I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
*I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
*I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.
*I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
*All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
*All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
*All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
*Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
Spread it far and wide, because about one year from now he's 're-applying for the job'..........
"When I watch Fox News, my TV tips to the right." - D.L. Hughly on the Bill Mahr show |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/09/2003 : 12:32:36
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Jesus H. Christ.
This guy needs to G-O. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 12:35:42
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Wow, he HAS accomplished a surprising amount in a single term. :)
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 14:20:14
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Gee, I wonder what his "here's how I spent my summer vacation" essays were like in grade school.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 14:50:01
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"left leaning" is the biggest understatement of the century.
woody doesn't say a single new or original thing, and he doesn't repeat any ideas in an interesting way. that was a really boring and trite flash movie.
right-wing morons did the same resume shit for clinton. oh what a shock that politicians are evil. i'm amazed.
you mean to tell me that special interests don't give millions of dollars to people who are going to actually do good things with their power?!? |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/09/2003 : 15:19:55
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
"left leaning" is the biggest understatement of the century.
woody doesn't say a single new or original thing, and he doesn't repeat any ideas in an interesting way. that was a really boring and trite flash movie.
right-wing morons did the same resume shit for clinton. oh what a shock that politicians are evil. i'm amazed.
you mean to tell me that special interests don't give millions of dollars to people who are going to actually do good things with their power?!?
Oh big suprise, you are the opposing voice.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 15:41:18
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big surprise that i'm the opposing voice to what? navel-gazing and lame attempted political humour? yeah i guess i am.
edit: also you didn't really need to quote my whole post. |
Edited by - Ebb Vicious on 09/09/2003 15:41:43 |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 15:54:17
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| Okay Ebb..now whaddya gotta say about the Bush stuff? ;) |
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carsonwerner
= Cult of Ray =
USA
254 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 17:08:05
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| I will admit the guy is terrible, but at the same time it's hard to say with the economic situations (some of them) Usually the economic damage is slow to take effect, years even. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 17:42:59
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Okay Ebb..now whaddya gotta say about the Bush stuff? ;)
i covered it already, conservative nimrods did the same crap for clinton, it wasn't funny then either. it's not a revelation to me that bush is doing what the special interests who funded his campaign put him there to do.
i don't think this forum is a worthwhile place for political debate so i'm not going to get into that.
i was just commenting that those two items were crappy. :) |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 18:10:26
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It is a crappy item. It's a copy/paste of a widely circulated email. Self-serving misinformation is just as fucked up as my President. There's a link to a PDF at this snopes.com page:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/resume.asp
Oh, and by the way, I heard Bill Gates is paying $250 if you forward this email... |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 19:10:38
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So you support Bush then? You think he's a good president? You would vote for him next year? What then are you trying to say? Clinton, as far as I understand, is one of the best presidents we've ever had.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 21:51:37
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I'm disappointed in Bush, because after 9/11 he did a damn fine job at deceiving the American people that we are all in this together. Now it seems that his true colors are shining through.
BTW, how does everyone think Bill Clinton would've handled September 11?
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 21:56:22
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Originally posted by El Barto
So you support Bush then? You think he's a good president? You would vote for him next year? What then are you trying to say? Clinton, as far as I understand, is one of the best presidents we've ever had.
Oh, I get it, "yer either afer him or agin him". I said my President is fucked up. I didn't vote for him but I got stuck with him. I've been against most everything he's done since elected. I'm a member of the Sierra Club-- which means every month I get a newspaper and magazine detailing the Bush administration's attempts to raze my forests, steal water from my rivers, kill my salmon, etc., etc. But does that mean that I want to read lies about his past? All lies do is betray the cause they're meant to further. It makes everyone involved look foolish and, frankly, it's sad to see people commenting on "facts" that were probably forwarded through 20 AOL users before they were posted on the web. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2003 : 22:36:26
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Let's just all agree that there is no black/white boundary, and enjoy Show Me Your Tears, and forget that the world is fucked up and crumbling around us on a daily basis.
I personally don't post my opinion of politics very much, because my knowledge of past events is somewhat limited. If I live in my own little world, at least I realize it. Not to insult, El Barto, but it kinda seems like that with you too...
On the same token, BLT, I may, at times, post my personal opinion or understanding of something, but there are ALWAYS people out there who are very eager to cram their knowledge down my throat at the slightest peep of bias toward "leftism" or "rightism." Politics is a touchy area to most people, because it is on a level that we all don't really personally see every day. It seems like the supreme level of reality, of what's REALLY going on. It all comes down to what you want to believe, because it's going to be rare that you are going to change anyone's opinion. I think, for instance, that the only resolution Dave Noisy and Dallas will EVER come to is to agree to disagree. It's not like one day Dallas will say: "Oh, yeah Dave, I see your point. This one detail of (mis)information led me astray, and now I see how things actually are." Or Dave will say: "Oh, okay Dallas, I was just taking into account such and such, and now that you've proven that wrong..." I honestly don't know why people debate politics so much, because they all know where it will lead.
On the other hand, I do think that forums like this are some of the BEST places to get a good, unbiased view of what's going on in the world, because there are many people from many different countries, and not many people are afraid to hold anything back. When one watches the news, the reporters are often constrained by issues regarding PC-ness, and what is acceptable for the American viewing public. In that regard, the debate is good.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 00:00:45
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Sorry BLT, my post was directed towards Ebb, not you.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 00:21:23
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Well, I guess that renders my post null and void.
...i'm not black like barry white no i am white like frank black is... |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 09/10/2003 : 02:09:34
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Dave, I know you have strong political opinions, good for you, but forwarding/posting this kind of stuff is just stupid. Half of the things you wrote are true but they're hidden in a bunch of fallacies. I hate the US government as much as you do, but I rely on documented facts to forge my opinion and not on some chain mail I receive that doesn't give any sources to corroborate its assertions.
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 08:04:51
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This is obvious garbage and even a scan of this would tell you that it was full of falsehoods. Here is the link to someone who has actually looked into this garbage.
Dave - its telling that you would read this and believe it without doing any homework or research yourself. Your brain is being turned over to some clown who knows how to click 'forward' from his email box. Next time how about just a little critical thinking?
http://www.crossbearer.com/resume/The_Truth.pdf |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 08:26:33
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Yeah, I agree with Denis... I mean, it's an entertaining read, but that's it. There's a lot of garbage in there and it only fuels those who would support Bush to point out the garbage items as if it vindicates the man of what he is ACTUALLY responsible for. But then again, if you look at it as a joke/entertainment, then there's nothing wrong with it. So I see Dave's point too if this is the reason he posted it. He can't be held responsible for our perspective and how seriously we take it.
So the point of my post is this: I don't know. Skip at your leisure.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 15:44:31
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uhhh, i think it was pretty obvious by my use of 'right wing idiots' and 'conservative nimrods' that i'm not a bush supporter.
"clinton was one of the best presidents we've ever had" is absurdity. in the last 30 years, maybe, but not ever. not even close.
like i said this is not a good forum to discuss politics, so i'm not going into this any more. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 15:49:59
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Wasn't meaning to imply that you were. I don't know what was so great about Clinton either to be honest. But I certainly think that he must've done better than Bush.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 18:43:26
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Agreed, the full account is not factual (nor did i claim it was), but there's enough truth in there to make a point...
Sadly, Michael Moore-ish in this respect, but hey, it's entertainment. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 21:25:07
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cult of frank: my reply was to el barto.
dave: but why does the point that 'bush is a jackass, shitty president who is bending our country over backwards for special interest groups' even need to be made?
i could see where this would be a revelation to a group of ten year olds but people on this forum should be aware of the world that they live in already. |
Edited by - Ebb Vicious on 09/10/2003 21:25:27 |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2003 : 00:38:39
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Well, immediately after 9/11 he was the Patron Saint of Freedoom & Justice in the Free World to many supposedly intelligent folks..
I don't want to see that happen again. So i like to rub it in. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2003 : 05:15:32
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i think you're a little overly concerned with other people liking bush. his approval rating is still quite high, so it's not like much has changed since immediately after 9/11.
most of the people who realize what a schmuck bush is think that clinton was a great president (see above). unfortunately, the percentage of intelligent people is very, very small. |
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JamesM
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/11/2003 : 07:28:34
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Enough truth to make a point? I don't usually post political diatribe on this board, but that, my friend, is complete bullshit. To send out a truth covered in a mountain of disinformation or lies is doing a great disservice to people; sorry 'bout that, Tex. It's this kind of ideaology that makes people like Ann Coulter and Michael Moore popular - that people will believe anything that is fead to them in a convenient, pre-packaged manner. Go out, get some information from conservative and liberal sources (and moderate sources, too; if you can find them) that are DIRECT, and make your own judgement from there.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2003 : 23:13:04
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| Aw James, but it's so much easier to just copy and paste from that email everyone got... |
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Gratefuljason3
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Posted - 09/12/2003 : 15:32:04
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I attacked and took over two countries.
You seem to forget that we were attacked first, and Sept. 11 wasn’t the first time. There were the Marine barracks in ’80, PANAM, the first WTC bombing, the Embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya, the USS Cole and a whole host of others.
If you’re willing to make the case that Afghanistan was better off under the Taliban and that Iraqis prefer Saddam to us, I’d love to hear your elaboration, because the evidence refutes this notion. Here’s a story, released earlier today from the most trusted polling agency in the world, Zogby:
“This week, the American Enterprise magazine and Zogby International released a poll of Iraqis that shows "seven out of 10 say they expect their country and their personal lives will be better five years from now." Even more promising, as the American Enterprise reports, is that when "asked to name one country they would most like Iraq to model its new government on ... the most popular model by far was the U.S." Sixty percent of Iraqis said they don't want an Islamic government. The overwhelming optimism and pro-American sentiment of Iraqis expose the discrepancy between the reality of the situation and the doomsday reports coming from most news outlets. The survey reinforces the need for America to stay the course in Iraq.”
http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20030911-084132-8148r.htm
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I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury.
It’s hard to argue with someone who has an absurd amount of passion invested in his beliefs but little working knowledge of how the government actually works, but I’ll give it a shot.
ANY EXPENDITURE BY THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE APPROVED FIRST BY THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE.
So, why is it the President’s fault that Congress chooses to spend so much money? Yeah, doesn’t make any sense to me either. The simple fact of the matter is the federal budget has NEVER been reduced, it has gotten larger and larger every year since the end of WWII. This is a historical fact.
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I shattered the record for biggest annual deficit in history.
True, if you look at simply the number, but the number isn’t the important indicator. You must look at how large the deficit is as a percentage of the entire GNP, and the deficits were larger, as a percentage of the entire GNP at the end of Reagan’s term.
It’s simply hard for some people to understand the fact that if you cut taxes, people and businesses have more money to spend and invest. Companies have more money to pump into research and development and the actual parameters of the entire economy grew. For example, at the end of Reagan’s term, we were in the Red big-time, right? Well, he cut taxes; people had money to spend, businesses invested, and what happened?
The 90’s.
With the TRILLION DOLLAR hit to the American economy after as a result of 9/11, it’s a wonder that we’re not in a depression.
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I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
Exactly how is the President responsible for a private company filing for bankruptcy?
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I set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
And the President controls the stock market too? Holy shit, this guy is like the Wizard of Oz.
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I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
Please, give us a few reasons why Timothy McVeigh deserved to live. I’m sure all the parents of those children who were slaughtered would love to hear them.
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I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
So, most of us have fucked up at one point or another in our lives as well. Should your right to hold public office be taken away because of some youthful indiscretion?
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In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
Hey, Clinton had 8 years to get Bin Laden. He was even offered him by the Sudan and turned the request down because he had ‘no legal ground on which to hold him’. I think a much better case could be made on how Clinton failed miserably in his foreign policy objectives.
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I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by any president in US history.
And this is against what law?
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In my first two years in office I allowed over 2 million Americans to lose their jobs.
Nah, it couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the American economy suffered a TRILLION DOLLAR LOSS (yes, that’s 1000 Billion) to our economy on one day in 2001, nearly 10% of our entire GNP. Nope, that has nothing to do with it.
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I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.
So what? You’re the idiot bitching about how bad our deficit is. How ‘bout those fuckers find a job and start working instead of leeching off of the rest of us who already work our asses off? The jobs are there, I’m looking at a 10+ page listing of jobs from the Houston Chronicle right this second. Jesus.
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I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
So, the President is responsible for people paying their mortgage notes on time as well? Jesus, that’s news to me.
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I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
I’m not sure about this one. I’d like to see some evidence.
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I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.
Please, show me where in the Constitution it says that a President must give press conferences. Hell, show me any law that states this. Good luck.
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I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other president in US history.
Again, I’d like to see some evidence.
Sorry for the short answers, I only had about 15 minutes to read this. I’ll try to respond to the rest of the questions in more detail later this weekend.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 09/12/2003 : 15:43:41
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Dude, it was a chain letter. Of course it's full of garbage. Dave just thought we might find it interesting and it's up to us to decide how much stock we want to put into it. And he certainly didn't write the thing. That said, a lot of the holes you point out are fairly obvious and glaring, and a lot, well, are not. I'm not going to get into it, but I think it would do a lot of people well to note that Sept. 11 != Iraq - there is NO connection.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 15:58:47
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I'm not going to get into it, but I think it would do a lot of people well to note that Sept. 11 != Iraq - there is NO connection.
oh brother, you're a jackass. if you don't want to get into it why would you make a statement that serves no purpose other than to spark people's ire?
you'd have been a lot better off just leaving that bit out. it really undermined the rest of your post. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 16:05:40
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Yeah, I'm definitely the one that's a jackass.
Perhaps you're correct that I should've left it out, I've been biting my tongue on seeing that come up again and again, but a person gets tired of saying nothing. But I'm fairly confident that there is no intended antagonism nor desire to spark ire. If anything, I suppose my ire was sparked and I didn't fully keep it under control.
But at least I tried.
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Gratefuljason3
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Posted - 09/12/2003 : 18:00:32
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I'm not going to get into it, but I think it would do a lot of people well to note that Sept. 11 != Iraq - there is NO connection.
I never tried to make the case for Iraq being involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. The Hussein regime was overthrown for a host of other reasons including his support of the terrorist group Hamas, the fact that he allowed terrorists safe haven in Baghdad (Abu Nidal, Al Answar), his payment of ten-thousand US dollars to the families of suicide-bombers in Israel, but most importantly his refusal to allow UN weapons inspectors verify the destruction of his WMD programs and that he was in flagrant violation of over 18 UN Article 7 resolutions. He also violated the CONDITIONAL cease-fire ARMISTICE signed at the end of the first Gulf War which stated that he had 60 days to verify and provide irrefutable evidence that he had destroyed his remaining stockpiles of WMD. We know he had/has them, we sold him some of them!
Notice I stated that the armistice was a conditional, binding agreement signed by Hussein, the condition was that if he violated his side of the bargain he would be subjected to a 'resumption of hostilities' under pre-exisiting UN resolutions passed both by the General Assembly and collectively by the Security Council. A state of war, under international law, has existed between Iraq and the US since 1991, at any time the US could invoke the violated cease-fire agreements or any of the Article 7 UN resolutions and it would provide for more than enough lawful justification for a resumption of hostilites. Here a little info on the legal justification of waging war on Iraq from a UN funded organization, 'the Global Policy':
"The war ended not with a peace treaty but with a ceasefire. UN Resolution 686, passed on March 5 1991, demanded full compliance with all relevant resolutions as a condition of commencing the ceasefire. Iraq accepted this and there followed UN Resolution 687, passed on April 3 1991, that set out the full ceasefire terms and obligations to which Iraq had to adhere. This included a demand that Iraq unconditionally accept the destruction and elimi-nation of all of its WMD, and that it unconditionally undertake not to use, develop or acquire any items relevant to WMD.
Crucially, Resolution 687 was passed under UN "Chapter 7" authority dealing with threats to the peace. It does not in any way terminate the authorisation to use force in the earlier Resolution 678. That has to be seen as intentional.
1998, the Security Council - in Resolution 1205 - ruled that Iraq was in "flagrant violation" of ceasefire Resolution 687. It continues to be. Iraq has behaved in a way that undermines the ceasefire terms and therefore the authorisation to use force in Resolution 678 can be revived.
If the US chooses to go to war, Iraq's obvious material breach of the ceasefire and the clear and singular responsibility of the Iraqi regime for the continued breach could be seen as offering full legal justification for the use of force to change the regime.
www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/2002/0813res.htm |
Edited by - Gratefuljason3 on 09/12/2003 18:06:20 |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/12/2003 : 19:50:43
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quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Yeah, I'm definitely the one that's a jackass.
hey stupid, i didn't say you're a jackass and i'm not. i just said that you are a jackass.
anyway, whatever, i don't know why some people feel such a great need to share an opinion that's on every channel except Fox News. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 09/12/2003 : 19:52:18
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Isn't sharing opinions what forums like this are all about?
He's the Cult of Frank/Fear the boy ass-pirate |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/12/2003 : 21:15:22
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are you retarded or just stupid? i'm not going to repeat myself, read what i said again. jesus christ.
anyway, blah blah blah politicians are stupid blah blah blah no blood for oil blah blah blah ok shut up already. |
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