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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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 Posted - 08/23/2003 : 15:40:26
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Originally posted by miguel
uh.. yeah hi.. I'm asexual.. any other asexuals F.B. fans out there?
Reading this thread is turning me into one. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2003 : 20:46:01
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Again, I'm with Zsolt on this one. If we want to analyze and put words in people's mouth, a post like this by a homosexual is the same as a post by a hetero looking for women who are into FB...looking for their dream woman who likes FB...therefore, to hook up. If not to hookup, then why limit yourself to homosexual men? If you're just looking to make friends, why didn't you...err, it wouldn't make sense to have a post saying "I'm looking for friends who like FB," cause you have a whole forum here full of potential friends into FB. Just some more of my cents.
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astrology
= Cult of Ray =
Saint Lucia
252 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2003 : 12:32:28
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Dear brothers-and sisters-in-Frank:
well i am remembering some writings of desmond morris (The naked ape) well he studied masturbatory and homosexual behaviours in animals only in captivity
also other sexuality studies places an 60 % of the population in an in between, well there were 20% straigh in each side an many other placed in the middle so to develop´bisexual or homosexual behaviours was more attached to sociological factors.
i think somebody very witty can provide us some webs to enlighten us on these matters. I think dr. morris work can be out of date but is an interesting point to start discussing
any web please?
saludos
david
sevilla
get me to lemouria
and vaya usted con Dios.
I pay the gas but in euros please |
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FrequencyOfGlow
- FB Fan -
USA
157 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 09:07:42
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Any minority, sexual or otherwise, feels disenfranchised by society as a whole. This is no surprise. When you come of age and all the messages from culture, media, etc. tell you that you should want things that you don't (wife n' kids, other straight stuff), you feel alone. And if you do want these things, it's very difficult to realize that there is a segment of society that doesn't. As a child El Barto, I am sure that you were taught that women were attracted to men and vice versa. so, when you turned out to be straight (an assumption, but I believe a correct one), you probably had no reason to doubt the veracity of those teachings.
This is why some minorities, Gays in particular, tend to seek out those who are like tham and can relate to particular feelings. Community is very important. It was important for me to know this.
The assumption that the reason for gays to meet each other is rooted in sexual conquest, is at best, flawed.
But yes, I still do hope to meet my future husband at a FB show, which I am completely willing to do by chance and not facilitated by a website.
I like that lemur, I lick it. That's velvety! |
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FrequencyOfGlow
- FB Fan -
USA
157 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 09:16:41
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Why, Zsolt, you little tease, you!
I like that lemur, I lick it. That's velvety! |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 11:31:21
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As a vegan, and another minority, i can relate to some degree on the desire for community.
And if people weren't into community, FB.net wouldn't really be here either. |
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FrequencyOfGlow
- FB Fan -
USA
157 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 11:40:45
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Right on, Dave! And as a bona fide carnivore, I give you my love.
I like that lemur, I lick it. That's velvety! |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 12:16:25
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Couldn't really be gay and not like the meat, could you? :)
Sorry, I may have crossed my OWN lines on offensiveness/hilarity - it was just too obvious to pass up. |
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noexx
= Cult of Ray =
361 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 12:31:14
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another straight vegan here. though if i ever do start eating meat again i will most likely try the other side of my sexuality.
ryan |
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FrequencyOfGlow
- FB Fan -
USA
157 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 12:50:28
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You know, Cult Of Frank, it occured to me just a few minutes ago that I should have made some meat-loving reference. It's always much better to be a smart ass than a dumb ass.
I like that lemur, I lick it. That's velvety! |
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 13:16:15
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gee, could being a smartass make you a minority??
-i suppose if being a full time smartass were your persuasion
then it would -you tend to get alienated.
sometimes i catch myself playing devils' advocate too much
and i feel that.
i'm not gay myself although i have several acquaintances who are
(boy, that sounds patronizing!), i tried being vegan for a few months
but couldn't hack it (lost too much weight) and i smoke (hasn't just
about everyone quit?)-whatever
Chicago does have a healthy gay community that is for sure and being from
the southwest i must say they are on the whole very good people and
probably some of the better of the population here as far as being real.
maybe being on the whole so against the grain of society brings out
the best in you when you REALLY are yourself.
oh yeah, i smoke AND my girlfriend teaches yoga -figure that one out.
-but i guess i'm lucky 'cause she does enjoy FB&theC
-when we saw them at doubledoor last april she struck up a conversation about yoga right there on the floor near ground zero
and i think about the second song after the pause of silence following
the femme yoga conversation and lapsing back into frank black land
he's playing 'bullit' and she looks over and says 'i guess it's a guy
thing' -i had to laugh cause on the surface at least it's a pretty
macho song verbally, i mean if you just heard a snippet you wouldn't
know what the hell it was about except for ..a single bullit in each one...i guess you had to be there...frequencyofglow probably was.
(phazer eyes is a hot one).
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Edited by - blarg007 on 08/25/2003 13:24:01 |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 13:16:47
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Heh... I like that last line, Freq. Consider it stolen.
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Blarg posted prior to me so I wanted to clarify to whom I was speaking. Take that, 1960's society. |
Edited by - Cult_Of_Frank on 08/25/2003 13:31:01 |
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 13:31:11
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hey, if yer lookin' fer lines ...try the grocery store!
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 13:37:55
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1960's society?...hmmm, i went to a screening of 'the Cure in orange' one time
and marveled that most of the audience looked like they were AT LEAST born in the '50s
-and lately when i've seen FB&C shows i could almost swear the majority looks
to be in the fake i.d. crowd, -just an observation.
actually i knew it wasn't my line you stole but i could see where clarification is
a must...
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Edited by - blarg007 on 08/25/2003 13:38:22 |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 13:48:24
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Try the grocery store. Brilliant. Or I'm in an easily-impressed mood. But definitely one of the two.
It's funny how the older you get, the younger everyone else seems to be. What?! You have your driver's license?!?!?! Are you old enough to even know this place exists, much less be in here?! Records are those big black discs we used to listen to music on. etc. |
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 13:57:36
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i gotta admit - i am feeling more and more like a character from the
phildick novel UBIK -i don't want to ruin it for anyone who reads it -don't read further if that is the case..........
-but if you do I would have to say I am 'Jory'-you can probably find a
synopsis on the web somewhere -basically he is a prankster delinquent
who is dead and in 'coldpac' storage in a facility with many recently dead
people -in the future they can still communicate with the dead for a few years
if they get them in coldpac storage right away -well jory causes a mass
hallucination within the coldpac whearas these people think thay are still alive
in a world gone awry - he's an angry kid who died early and his psychic anger is such
he makes a group of people who all died in a bombing think they didn't and that their
boss was the only one who did -so they try to find out who did it -only their dead.
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Edited by - blarg007 on 08/25/2003 14:00:31 |
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 13:58:46
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..like as in this is coldpac...
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 17:58:44
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You know, i don't know if a human can live very long on a carnivorous diet..? If the scurvy didn't get ya, wait until the lack of fibre rots your intestines..
And you'd reek to high hell with the ketosis..bleh.. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 18:21:09
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Wow, i read this entire topic for the first time just now. I hadn't even opened it before tonight.
I have a question for either gay people or straight.. whoever has a response. This thought popped into my head when I was driving and saw a rainbow (or a pink triangle or whatever) bumper sticker on someone's car. Why is it that some gay people advertise their sexuality on their car (or clothes, etc.)? I mean, i know you could compare it to people putting a rock group sticker on their car, but it seems different to me. You never see "straight stickers" so that's why I bring up this point. When I'm driving do I really need to know if someone in a car is gay? Or even straight? What is the motivation of these rainbow-sticker-bearers?
I'm scared I worded something wrong and someone will blast me. I don't want to come off as homophobic to homosexuals because I am just a homo sapien like all of you. I'm gonna go drink some homogenized milk now.
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 18:26:05
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(Dave, don't comment on milk and how you think it's evil and dairy trucks are circling your house. haha)
-Derek |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 19:12:51
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Here ye go Derek. The displaying the rainbow flag/sticker/undies is not so much an advertisement of sexuality (as in something you would use to pick someone up) as a symbol of community pride. There's a pretty long history of marginalized groups/movements displaying an icon of solidarity, and this one's no different. Here's a brief history of the flag:
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/scotts/bulgarians/rainbow-flag.html
(As a fun but pretty much unrelated side note, the neighbors down the block from me had, at one point in time, painted their old Victorian home a relatively sedate carnation pink. When the three churches on the street complained and began to harass them, they came out with their paint cans again and turned it into a lurid fuschia pink w/lavender trim and unfurled a big rainbow flag. I love those guys.) |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 19:29:53
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| As an outsider (i.e. straight), it seems like gays consider their sexual preference disproportionately important to the other areas of life. Apparently it's such an enormous part of their identity that I often wonder if they think about anything else. The majority of this thread reinforces that thought. Personally I couldn't care less what goes on in anyone else's bedroom, though I hate to see it used as a way to make less of others. I know many straight people like to belittle gays, but many times I've felt gays do the same thing by what I can only describe as an overabundance of pride. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2003 : 21:41:24
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This topic reminds me of that hilarious Seinfeld when Jerry or George would always tag on that disclaimer when talking about a gay person: "Not that there's anything wrong with that [being gay]."
Too tired... must go to bed now...
-Derek |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 00:08:34
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I think that gay people see their sexuality as such an inordiante part of their personality because it is so controversial in society. We don't bear bumper stickers promoting our heterosexuality because it would be considered socially arrogant to do so. (Just as some of us don't exalt the fact that we are white.) It would be seen in a very negative light if we were to deliberately brag about the very thing that makes us a majority...on the other hand, if you are the "underdog" trying to carve a niche for yourself in the world, it is more socially accepted to let your true colors show. In this case, very flambouyant colors.
Hopefully this will raise some controversy in the forum. Some people think of the homosexual lifestyle in the context of human evolution. It is said that the whole reason men and women are attracted to one another is because of a subconcious, underlying need to reproduce. This reproductive instinct for men is what produces the hormones that lead him to get turned on by means other than strictly sexual. Like, how the nape of women's necks are sexy, or the small of their backs. (Insert your own area of particular affection here_________;) Scientifically, "love" stems from this base human need to procreate. Why does this occur in homosexual relationships? And, biologically speaking, men and women seemed to be naturally geared for reproduction. Men and other men, or women and other women (as sexy as the latter can be) do not. According to some, it seems like some sort of mental imbalance, or benign disorder, since it seems to go against nature...
I guess all of this depends on one's individual beliefs. I was just curious to see what other people thought of it; if they had looked at it from this point.
Quantum nonlocality does not prove that "signals" travel "faster than light." Rather, it shows that at a deep level of reality the speed of light as a limiting factor is irrelevant because phenomena are instantaneously connected regardless of distance. |
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 05:51:11
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meat eating wont kill you any quicker than much else
-moderation remember -still eat healthy but don't exclude meat
and you can not spend all that extra time trying to figure out
how to order at a restaurant -those wasted moments add up...
-i moved the gay rainbow in neon one time (a guy was moving up
north and he had a neon rainbow of the gay persuasion installed
on a wall in his house).
i'm hetero and i focus too much on sex
-that is a problem for all i believe.
i think i'll start a column 'just ask blarg...'
anyhow we are all bipeds that eventually piss each
other off and sometimes help each other out that's
for sure.
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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 05:59:43
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Derek, that's a legimate question asked in sincere tones, so I doubt you'll get flamed (very similar to the time on a city bus as a teenager, I sincerely asked a black man why they wear baggies on their head, and was given a sincere, straight education about the chemical wonders of Jeri Curl....most people I relate that story to think I might have gotten beat up, but sincerity usually wins out).
I agree with others in that gay people are not necessarily flaunting their sexuality, they are making their community visible. Sexuality is such a main part of who we are, yet for ages, gay people have been forced to totally supress theirs and keep in in the dark. The thinking here is that if the gay community can make people understand that they truly are everywhere, that they are involved in all social strata, and that there's really nothing that us straights can do about it, that perhaps they'll just be accepted as just any other group in the grand scheme of things. But to be accepted as normal, a group must prove they exist. Short of performing acts of gay sex in public, a symbol of that serves very nicely to simply say "We're Here! We exist!".
"Sacred cows make the best burgers!"
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 08:16:24
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I agree with you, glacial906, however feeling like a misfit is nothing special. I dare you to find anyone on Earth who hasn't/doesn't feel like an outcast for some reason. Some people are just more willing than others to compromise their own integrity to try to fit in.
Did anyone see the Simpsons episode with the gay parade float? They were chanting, "We're here! We're queer! Get used to it!" After the float goes by, Lisa says, "You were here last year. We ARE used to it." |
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FrequencyOfGlow
- FB Fan -
USA
157 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 10:07:10
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It's important to note that you never see straight people "advertising" because they don't have to. It' s the assumption that everyone is straight. From birth, we're bombarded by the boy/girl, mommy/daddy dichotomy. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. For the most part (percentages vary from study to study), it's true. But so much of this American life is built upon heterosexuality. Every time someone mentions their wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend, or even displays a picture of their families on their desks, walls or desktops, they are, in effect, "advertising". Ever see a "My kid is a honor student at such-and-such a school" bumper sticker? That's advertising. In so many ingrained ways, we all make it known who we sleep with. It's only more noticeable in gays because it goes against the grain.
I like that lemur, I lick it. That's velvety! |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 10:07:48
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
And who wrote that song,
"There's many colours in the homo rainbow,
don't be afraid to let your colours shine"...
hey, I remembered that was Ween which I got my tix for yesterday, can't say I'm looking forward to that country shit they do though. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 10:25:44
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Fallin' out,
Look Away
It's the end.
-great song |
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 10:25:55
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here, here!
["Ever see a "My kid is a honor student at such-and-such a school" bumper sticker? That's advertising. In so many ingrained ways, we all make it known who we sleep with. It's only more noticeable in gays because it goes against the grain.]"
i'm a little confused about the band 'the breeders' now...
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Edited by - blarg007 on 08/26/2003 10:26:58 |
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 10:43:20
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wouldn't the fact that there is homosexuality disprove that theory
that love stems from the base need to procreate-
as far as i can tell all bets are off on trying to quantify when the majority of
the populace on this planet still think an omnipotent god created man -and then
AFTER man pointing out his loneliness god decided to come up with a companion??
-wouldn't the almighty have known adam would get lonely??????
and then pulled her from a rib?! .....6 days (he is god fer cryin out loud -he
probably sneezed out the cosmos in a heartbeat (cosmic heartbeat)
quick where's my 'Life of Brian' tape..
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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 10:48:00
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And a sidebar to the topic, we were watching So Graham Norton the other night and Sandra Bernhard was the guest (and it was a riot!). He asked her if she's enjoying her visit to England and she said she did, and she commented, "And people here just don't care about gay and straight. You're (referring to Norton) so incredibly gay and sexual and nobody bats an eye here. You people really do live on an island!" Its so true. Graham Norton would never be on major network TV -- we're still getting used to QUeer Eye for the Straight Guy, and that's still only on cable.
Then again, it wasn't the USA where Oscar Wilde ended up in prison for his homosexuality -- but perhaps Britian has just gotten over it faster.
"Sacred cows make the best burgers!"
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 11:20:25
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quote:
Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
Or Cult of Gay? Or Teenager of the Queer?
brilliant!
-Jessie
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2003 : 12:25:53
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quote:
Originally posted by BLT
As an outsider (i.e. straight), it seems like gays consider their sexual preference disproportionately important to the other areas of life. Apparently it's such an enormous part of their identity that I often wonder if they think about anything else. The majority of this thread reinforces that thought. Personally I couldn't care less what goes on in anyone else's bedroom, though I hate to see it used as a way to make less of others. I know many straight people like to belittle gays, but many times I've felt gays do the same thing by what I can only describe as an overabundance of pride.
hmm,i think i agree on some level with this. i mean, someone said earlier 'when i think of the word gay, i don't neccessarily think of sex'(or something along those lines). and i say, you should! i mean, gay people think that straights or, in some homomsexuals own words, breeders, like to differenciate the two, but if your goin to open threads for homosexuals to talk on their own, i don't understand the arguement. i reckon being a homosexual/bi etc shouldn't really change your outlook on life except on sex(and maybe prejudice), and this was pointed out with the fact all gay members of society don't listen to 'droning club music'. if you want to fend off women and bait the guys thats fine(i say it this way cos no lesbians of yet have spoken out), but to say you only want to talk about frank with other members of the gay community is a bit sad, and, as someone pointed out, heterophobic. i know your all sick of this subject but i havent been on the internet since last week!
-Jessie
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