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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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 Posted - 08/27/2003 : 21:24:32
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Originally posted by astrology
dear darwin:
you have missed the main question, a juzge cant say: stopo counting votes, the winner is Mr. Bush, but it is more suspicious when the state governor in which this takes place is the winning candidate's brother. and here all votes are counted by hand one by one, and the average parties that can be voted is 7,and we have no butterflies flying around
I didn't miss your main point (trust me, I know far more than you do about US presidental politics and events in the 2000 election), but you keep saying people should use the internet to be more informed. So, I used the internet to show that your quoted numbers were wrong.
You know Australia has one the highest national turnout rates for elections? You know why? Because it's illegal to not vote. To me, if someone doesn't want to vote, that's their choice. |
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astrology
= Cult of Ray =
Saint Lucia
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Posted - 08/28/2003 : 00:08:47
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Ear darwin:
thanks for your information, this is what i am looking for here, somebody that can give me light.
i am very happy to have found you because i also like politics and will be very interesnting to discuss any matter with you, i agree that the australian system would be better than any other.
Haver you read the book "Starship Troopers" by robert heinlein, the one of the movie, it is a very goor sciene fiction novel but states also a political theory, that entitles to vote only those who go to the army, because they earn thsi right when they are ready to die for his country, i think it may be an interesting thing to discuss
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david
sevilla
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 08/28/2003 : 00:44:40
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I don't like Heinlein's idea. It's not that different than the idea that only landowners should have a vote or only people that can pass a literacy have a vote. Both approaches that were historically used in the US to exclude parts of society from voting.
I actually wasn't supporting Australia's approach. I think people should only vote if they want to. It should be made easy for people to vote (internet, phone, mail, ect), but if they don't want to that's fine.
I think this thread has official been hijacked. Sorry Totipotent. |
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TOTIPOTENT
- Master of Differentiation -
USA
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Posted - 08/28/2003 : 04:20:39
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Originally posted by darwin
I think this thread has official been hijacked. Sorry Totipotent.
You'll have that.
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astrology
= Cult of Ray =
Saint Lucia
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Posted - 08/28/2003 : 10:37:50
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Dear darwin:
thank you for understanding very well where i want to go, i think that there are more things that link than divide us, well i am convinced that i can learn more here with good links because we are vey privileged to have a tool that is so sueful. well i am from a country where when i was 18 you were drafted, even some time there were no possibility of refusing unless you went to jail, well i think i would have volunteered if my country had been attacked, I volunteered tp the red crosss when i was 15, and i liked it, you know teenagers love uniforms and military things, think that rommel was my hero at 7.
well Rommel was one of the most succesful german generals altoughhe was not Nazi, he even conspirated to kill Hitler and was forced to suicide by that, think some german military instalations has his name today. well do you get the idea about a man who served his country beyond the call of duty
but did not hesitate to lose his life to kill hitler?
it makes me admire him a lot, i like war History
if you want a fine web about the wehrmach check: www.feldgrau.com
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david
sevilla
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leokearse
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Posted - 08/28/2003 : 15:02:01
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Originally posted by el_chingon
Astrology, we obviosly share a common belief: that Frank Black rules!!! but I have to say that I disagree with you on your outlook on the war. (I am a little embarrassed that I turned this into a war debate. <blush> Maybe we should just discuss music instead :) I really doubt that anything will be resolved by arguing on a message board.) Anyway... (on to more arguing 8) )
War is not wrong in ALL circumstances. There are times to fight. That website is not the first to say that the war is all about oil, I have heard that argument forever. You say that we should have left Saddam to Iraq? They have had him long enough without being able to remove him. What if the USA would have done the same with Hitler in WW2? If the troops pulled out in 91 only to finish the job now, then that is what it took to get the job done. I won't second-guess the decisions made by those that have access to all the information based on the little misguided postings of angry opponents to a war. It makes no sence to me to be able to help stop suffering, and yet do nothing. I feel that those who are against the war are unrealistic to what it really takes to keep the peace in the world.
Sorry dude, WW2 was mostly won by Russia, paid for by 25-30 million Soviet military and civilian deaths on the Eastern Front. They probably don't teach it in high school in the US, but in Russia they probably don't teach you that in other countries the shops sell stuff other than potatoes and square cars. Not that I'm ungrateful for American troops coming over here and shagging all our women or anything. The birds here will do anything for a bit of chewing gum and some nylons.
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Erebus
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Posted - 08/28/2003 : 16:00:51
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Originally posted by leokearse
Sorry dude, WW2 was mostly won by Russia, paid for by 25-30 million Soviet military and civilian deaths on the Eastern Front. They probably don't teach it in high school in the US,
- Leo
Agreed, but the scale of the Russian sacrifice was largely a function of tactics arising via Stalin's contempt for the value of Russian lives. And even that sacrifice may not have sufficed were it not for the Allied bombing campaign against German armaments and military targets. And, yes, they do teach that in US schools. Do European schools teach about what life is actually like in the US? Or do they merely teach what they want you believe? There is a difference, you know. |
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astrology
= Cult of Ray =
Saint Lucia
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Posted - 08/28/2003 : 16:43:02
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Dear erebus:
i am sure that you will know what happened in schweinfurt twice. when american tried to stop ball-bearing production for germany, well these raids had a casuality rate over 10%. well this was a bad moment for the USAAF, well when germans needed more ball-bearings they bought the ones they needed: in USA shipped via spain and argentina, do you know why Patton was killed?. Stalin was stupid, jhe was fooled by the germen inteligence that were infiltrated in russia to kill his best generals, those agents that did that retired in CIA payroll
and you have paid with your taxes that retirement wages, because OSS absorbed many naiz criminals, do you know who made this decision? the same that decided to raised Saddam to power in Irak, he died 2 months ago. and thsi man worked for your country and surely (I am not sure) WE WAS BURIED WITH MILITARY HONOURS
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sevilla
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TOTIPOTENT
- Master of Differentiation -
USA
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Posted - 08/29/2003 : 02:56:52
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Originally posted by astrology
if you want to know what is goin on round you please visit www.irakwar.ru.
Nice website, thanks.
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astrology
= Cult of Ray =
Saint Lucia
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Posted - 08/29/2003 : 09:31:24
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Dear totipotent:
you are wellcome, you are brave because you are serving your country, but you are braver if you can go on knowing more facts
Please let us all know your ok every day, i do not pray but i feel happy each time i read one of your posts
hope youre all at home for Christmas
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sevilla
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astrology
= Cult of Ray =
Saint Lucia
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Posted - 08/29/2003 : 09:33:35
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dear erebus:
we have tooo much USA just throughour television everyday,tell me what do you know of spain, do you still think Franco was a torero?
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sevilla
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 08/29/2003 : 10:11:46
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| I don't think that knowing whether Franco is still bull fighting is really relevant knowledge of current events, but you are probably right that the US world view is far more self-reflective than other places. An English fellow that used to come in to the restaurant from time to time would always comment on how hard it was in Canada to get a truly global news program. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 08/29/2003 : 10:12:07
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Originally posted by astrology
dear erebus:
we have tooo much USA just throughour television everyday,tell me what do you know of spain, do you still think Franco was a torero?
What you get through the TV is TV, not USA. I suspect I don't know much about Spain, but I doubt I ever thought of Franco as "a torero", whatever that is. However, I do think to converse with you is to enter a swamp. |
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astrology
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Posted - 08/29/2003 : 11:30:53
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Dear erebuss:
there is a bette word for discussing with me "quagmire" like Vietnam, do you remember?
The Alamo I’ve never seen it • maybe I’ll go there but I don’t know • and if I go well I won’t see it • thousand mile stare will take home
or do you remember the Alamo?
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david
sevilla
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leokearse
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Posted - 09/01/2003 : 10:50:40
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by leokearse
Sorry dude, WW2 was mostly won by Russia, paid for by 25-30 million Soviet military and civilian deaths on the Eastern Front. They probably don't teach it in high school in the US,
- Leo
Agreed, but the scale of the Russian sacrifice was largely a function of tactics arising via Stalin's contempt for the value of Russian lives. And even that sacrifice may not have sufficed were it not for the Allied bombing campaign against German armaments and military targets. And, yes, they do teach that in US schools. Do European schools teach about what life is actually like in the US? Or do they merely teach what they want you believe? There is a difference, you know.
Yeah that's fairly true - but Russia at the start of its war didn't have anything like the modern weaponry that the Nazis had - so they just sent loads of people armed with pitchforks and pickaxe handles so that when the German's machine guns became too hot to handle, they could overpower them. Stalin was a pretty shite war leader as well as the atmosphere of fear meant that nobody would come forward to criticise his decisions.
Sorry for implying that American schools are substandard but I know how much you Americans love it when Europeans get all snooty and supercilious!
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astrology
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Saint Lucia
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Posted - 09/01/2003 : 18:40:27
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dear leokarse
well russia developed many of his weaponry, for example tanks in secret places with the germans so that is the way they got the T-34. you know that germany was banned of having tanks. when the russians were invited to see german tanks in 1939 they left thinking germans were hidding something.
You surely know that all this weaposn were tried during Spanish Civil War. But you are right germans were defeated because they understimated russian people bravery (25.000.000 were killed) shown in places like leningrad and stalingrad, and that has been a failure of americans in vietnam and they are making the same mistake in irak. just check: www.irakwar.ru
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sevilla
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leokearse
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Posted - 09/02/2003 : 14:08:48
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I don't think Iraq can be compared to the situation in Vietnam - it's more like the situation in Northern Ireland. When British troops rolled into N Ireland, people cheered them on in the streets (just like in Iraq). It only took a few months for the whole thing to go tits up (just like in Iraq). The extra problem in Iraq is that America is in there for oil and influence in the Middle East, so they're less likely to accede to self rule.
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astrology
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Saint Lucia
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Posted - 09/03/2003 : 02:21:47
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dear leo:
I agree, Vietnam was more about geopolitical reasons.american helped to have the french defeated because they thought they were pretty too much leftist. Irak is only about oil, i have it very clear.
yerterday i had a talk on the telephone with my uncle Don Carlos, he fought in Russia and also chased Commies as me for the Francop Police during the dictadorship. Oh what a wondefurl time I had.
In its very different to think about war when you know that even your parents were under the bombs, My mother in Bilbao near gernika, she had to flee to france
and the boys nexy ship ended in russia for the rest of their lives.
My gfrandma told me one story in her house in zaragoza, having coffee in her kitchen, one day a german pilot jumped from his plane and his parachute
went to land in a crowded market, please note how ahrd is to be bombed, how helpless you can feel tha i think that day in bilbao took home a piece of this pilot. so o not talk about colateral damages, they are people that suffer and the best thing that can happen you in a ombing is toi get killed , think of the cluster bombs, it is very nice to watch CNN, have a beer and feel you are helping the world with your taxes. do you need a bombing to stop and think?
saludos
david
bellavista
get me to lemouria
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hegisin
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Philippines
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Posted - 09/03/2003 : 02:52:36
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Hi all,
Interesting topic. So why not have some more comments from a German living in Singapore to make the Forum more international.
@TOTIPOTENT: I wish you all the best over there and come home safely and listen more to FB music! I've been in Middle East many times and temperature must be quite nice now! I hope you realize that you are at the wrong place at the moment!
Regarding the war, I believe it is quite obvious that there is no justification for it. The fact, that Saddam is a "Bad Man" does not justifies a war and of course also does not justify to risk the live of American soldiers.
There are many "Bad Guys" out there in the world. What about North Korea?
In my opinion, the current US Government is isolating itself by starting a War without any international mandate. By demonstrating "we are the strongest and we will kick your ass, if you don't listen to us" the US Government is making the whole world more dangerous.
Besides this, I don't think that it was smart by Bush to try to split Europe. On the long run the US needs a strong Europe to tackle the problems in the world.
The solution is easy: There are elections in the US next year. Get yourself a new Government!
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astrology
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Saint Lucia
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Posted - 09/03/2003 : 05:00:27
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hi hegisin:
here from a spaniard in sevilla, sure you will come soon, are you rolling in a cul-de-sac kampong?
well send me some sarongs for my girlfriends
well it is all about oil, but the consequences can be wost becausre oil prices will soar because then only ones taking out iraki fuel are the smugglers.
USA are acojonados (Very very frightened) and a UN-led soltion is being considered, if you read fatwas in www.islamonline.com tehy alow to atack coaliton soldiers while they keep stealing iraki's peolple oil, but they aloww UN troops just to keep thing going and iraki people are returned what is theirs.
that is a fari solution and must be done quickly
more soldiers have died than in the first 6 months of vietnam war. i thik georgie W is in a quagmire.
check www.feldgrau.com a very interesting website about german army, sure you bookmark it.
sure you have also a relative with something to tell about what does it feel to be under the bombs
saludos
david
sevilla
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 09/03/2003 : 08:13:34
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Originally posted by hegisin
Regarding the war, I believe it is quite obvious that there is no justification for it. The fact, that Saddam is a "Bad Man" does not justifies a war and of course also does not justify to risk the live of American soldiers.
There are many "Bad Guys" out there in the world. What about North Korea?
In my opinion, the current US Government is isolating itself by starting a War without any international mandate. By demonstrating "we are the strongest and we will kick your ass, if you don't listen to us" the US Government is making the whole world more dangerous.
Besides this, I don't think that it was smart by Bush to try to split Europe. On the long run the US needs a strong Europe to tackle the problems in the world.
The solution is easy: There are elections in the US next year. Get yourself a new Government!
I totally agree with what you are saying.... and lets hope that your last sentence comes true!
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clemray
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Posted - 09/03/2003 : 09:59:10
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Originally posted by astrology
dear leo:
I agree, Vietnam was more about geopolitical reasons.american helped to have the french defeated because they thought they were pretty too much leftist. Irak is only about oil, i have it very clear.
yerterday i had a talk on the telephone with my uncle Don Carlos, he fought in Russia and also chased Commies as me for the Francop Police during the dictadorship. Oh what a wondefurl time I had.
In its very different to think about war when you know that even your parents were under the bombs, My mother in Bilbao near gernika, she had to flee to france
and the boys nexy ship ended in russia for the rest of their lives.
My gfrandma told me one story in her house in zaragoza, having coffee in her kitchen, one day a german pilot jumped from his plane and his parachute
went to land in a crowded market, please note how ahrd is to be bombed, how helpless you can feel tha i think that day in bilbao took home a piece of this pilot. so o not talk about colateral damages, they are people that suffer and the best thing that can happen you in a ombing is toi get killed , think of the cluster bombs, it is very nice to watch CNN, have a beer and feel you are helping the world with your taxes. do you need a bombing to stop and think?
saludos
david
bellavista
get me to lemouria
and vaya usted con Dios.
I pay the gas but in euros please
Hey asstrology, what do the stars tell you today?
about the last sentence in this post of yours........"do we need a bombing to stop and think?"......well dear Spaniard, we were bombed, by airplanes.....many people were killed, as you know. or have you forgotten?
and you are convinced that this war is about oil....that is obvious. but where is the proof? where are the facts? please give some evidence.
and to the rest of you who are against the war.....that is your opinion, but who here will not admit that the world is a better place since we've gone in and thrown out Saddams regime? Saddam is one of several bullys on the play ground who has just had his ass kicked, leaving the rest of the bullys to take a step back scratch their heads and think twice. America was attacked, and we were not willing to sit back and "hope and think" that it wouldn't happen again.......instead we've gone to where the terrorists are, and with the bravery of men like Totipotent, we're "making sure", to the best of our ability, that we will not be attacked again. they came to our country and picked a fight, now were in their countries, finishing that fight.....for as long as it takes.
When Saddam invaided Kuwait, and we kicked his ass out of there, there is no question that that war was oil related. why in hell would we stand back and let one of the worst Dictators in recent history control such a vast oil supply. that would have been idiocy.
We would have invaded Iraq, if there wasn't a drop of oil there. we are there for other reasons, reasons you either don't like or don't want to accept.
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astrology
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Posted - 09/03/2003 : 10:58:01
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dear clemray:
yes you were bmbed but it has been used to cover some geopolitical an economical moves. what did afganistan had to do with 9/11 or irak, teh olny terrorist arrested was the planner of the achille lauro kidnnaping and he was retired. afganistan was attacked because of opium trade and because ut is the natural way out for caucasus oil, the iranians have pipelines that woukd cover thsi need, why do they not
get me to lemouria
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astrology
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Saint Lucia
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Posted - 09/03/2003 : 11:07:16
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excuse me,
why did tehy not use the pacific solution, trade is a good way for peace, and it is very american way.
there are many clues around 9/11.
please check. www.fromthewilderness.com before it is hacked, this is an american mada website it is not www.islamonline.com i read both with the same interest
and when saddam invaded kuwait, this war was not about oil , note that all these countries are made by rule one the map by the english and american interests, they should have beaten him, in 1991 not let the people die during the embargo.
wod is a worst place each day an inocent person is killed, G. I. s are as innocent as civilians, but they should no be so trigger happy, check www.irakwar.ru
saludos
david
sevilla
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 02:07:32
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I will not admit that the world is a better place since the US kicked out Hussain. Iraq may well be a better place since his departure but that's about it.
Hussain a bully? yeah sure. But he's always been a bully EVEN when the US was sucking his cock.
The biggest bully (globally) is and has been for the last 50 years - the US government. |
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Stuart
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 03:39:24
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Clemray, you have opened yourself to a whole lot of criticism regarding your post my friend. I haven't got alot of time at the moment so I'll briefly add my two yuan worth:
1) It isn't the US's right to intervene in other countries affairs, that is the role of the UN, which the US seriously devalued by invading Iraq. And in the past when the US have invaded and replaced, it has been with other no good dictators.
2) Kicking Saddams ass will not make the other 'bullies' (obviously you exclude the USA, who are top of that list) step back and think. It will increase the hatred of the US and provoke more terrorist attacks.
3) 'Instead we've gone to where the terrorists are'.... What?! If that was so then the US would be in Egypt and Saudi Arabia at the moment.
I'm sorry that you think by going to Iraq you will not be attacked again. The U.S. from the day after Sept 11th have not sat down and thought about why this happened. All they have thought about is 'you've hit us, now we are going to hit you back twice as hard.' It is pure infantile behaviour that they have not stepped back and tried at least to understand why someone would be driven to perform such an act of barbarism.
But then again what do you expect when the US is run by a bunch of idiots.
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hegisin
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 05:55:56
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and to the rest of you who are against the war.....that is your opinion, but who here will not admit that the world is a better place since we've gone in and thrown out Saddams regime? Saddam is one of several bullys on the play ground who has just had his ass kicked, leaving the rest of the bullys to take a step back scratch their heads and think twice. America was attacked, and we were not willing to sit back and "hope and think" that it wouldn't happen again.......instead we've gone to where the terrorists are, and with the bravery of men like Totipotent, we're "making sure", to the best of our ability, that we will not be attacked again. they came to our country and picked a fight, now were in their countries, finishing that fight.....for as long as it takes.
Isn't that a little bit naive?
I repeat, in my opinion the whole world has become much more dangerous (and more vulnerable to terrorist attacks) after the US Government decided to start a war against Iraq.
But the main point is, that it shouldn't be solely to the US Government to decide, whether to start a war or not. The US won't be able to play Superman forever.
Look at the latest development, now the US would welcome UN Fores to Iraq. Why is this the case? I believe, the main reason is that the US Military cannot afford so many injured and dead soldiers, lets other countries suffer, too.
It's a mad game, but I for myself will pray for all people who died in this totally unnecessary war, notwithstanding whether they are from Iraq, America or from wherever.
The war against Iraq has nothing to do with the war against terrorism, but this war will produce more terrorism. And this is the fault of the US Government.
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Dallas
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 08:43:04
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The naivete is on the side of those who think that murderous dictators will reform. Those people devalue the life of the oppressed Iraqi citizens. Comparing Saddam's mass graves to the US government shows how far those who hate America will go to further their ideology.
Astrology is incoherent, which is why I havent responded to this thread. To say that Afghanistan was invaded for Opium shows how shallow his thought process is. Bin Laden and Al queda thrived in Afghanistan and was abetted by the oppressive Taliban regime. THe US tried to use monetary incentives to stop the opium trade. The taliban didnt get the money to the farmers who were living off of opium and instead increased their death grip on the population.
The only countries against the Iraq invasion did so FOR OIL. Iraq had to be invaded BECAUSE of their oil, not FOR it. The Oil and the black market made it impossible to use economic sanctions on Iraq. Saddam could always count on France and Syria to buy his oil at cutrate prices. He then used those francs to oppress, jail, torture and kill millions of Iraqi citizens. The Euro left dont give a damn about all of the murders sanctioned by Saddam.
North Korea has NO natural resource that the despotic regime can use to prop itself up. That lack of a resource opens the door for economic sanctions. The US is insisting on multi-lateral negotiations to accomplish changes there. We will see how effective they are. Kim Jong Il is a madman, so, I have only modest hopes that this will work.
The first Iraqi war is a great example of how todays anti-war arguments are circular at best and more like dishonest. They always damn the US for not finishing the job on Saddam in '91. But the reason he wasnt finished is because GBush41's multi-lateral coalition wouldnt stand for it. The world and the Iraq population were rewarded for that multi-lateralism with the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens. Now, they criticize GWB for acting with a coalition of only 40+ nations to execute the only possible solution to remove Saddam - force. The fact is, that the French and Germans and Russians wouldnt allow Saddams removal to protect their sweetheart oil deals.
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Stuart
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 08:45:46
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Hey Totipotent..... sorry that this thread has gone from a light hearted topic to one of such seriousness. I hope all is well with you in Iraq, take care.
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Dallas
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 08:56:26
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| I agree Stuart, which is why I never responded to this thread. But astrology and his new buddy hijacked it so completely I had to jump in. Too bad, because I thought people were pretty respectfull of the situation that Totipotent was in, regardless of their personal opinions. But, the accusations and reference to US GI's as 'trigger happy' and the like is beyond disrespectful. |
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leokearse
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 09:36:25
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Hey Dallas, love that binary thinking! America = GOOD; places I can't find on the map = BAD. And you know what? You're totally right - I bet Bush, Cheney et al won't make a PENNY from the Iraq war, even though Cheney was chairman of Haliburton etc, etc....hey I wouldn't be surprised if the Bush+Cheney gang end up out of pocket, they're such great, selfless guys.
Mind, if this war is about getting rid of bad regimes, why ain't we getting rid of the Saudis? Or is it OK for them to torture people? I'm guessing it is OK for them to torture people, what with the Saudis being our buddies and all.
So anyway, where we sending our sons, brothers and fathers to risk their lives next?
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Dallas
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 09:46:55
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Leo - get a grip. I think the US relationship with the Saudis is a bad, bad, thing. I consider Saudi Arabia as the real birthplace for the brand of radical islam that has created this geo-political nightmare we are in. That being said, what country in the world has any type of economic sanction against the Saudi's? None. So damn everyone for that if you are going to damn the US. I do.
Your binary argument is a joke. I guess you couldnt muster an intellectual response so you are going to attempt to insult me. Sorry pal, I have been lucky enough in life to have travelled the world extensively.
Seriously, try to keep your responses above intellectual sea-level and save your lame personal attacks for someone who could give a damn. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 11:01:57
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Originally posted by Scarla O
The biggest bully (globally) is and has been for the last 50 years - the US government.
Nice hyperbole. The USSR was a bit of bully, no? Prior to the Bush II administration, I think the US had been pretty good about not overasserting it's poor. |
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clemray
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 11:03:57
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Originally posted by Scarla O
I will not admit that the world is a better place since the US kicked out Hussain. Iraq may well be a better place since his departure but that's about it.
Hussain a bully? yeah sure. But he's always been a bully EVEN when the US was sucking his cock.
The biggest bully (globally) is and has been for the last 50 years - the US government.
the US wasn't sucking his cock, the UN was. and that's about all the bunch of jokers are good for. what is with you peoples love affair for the UN? i simply can not understand.
and for that other person who said that the US has rendered the UN irrelevant.......please! come on! it was the UN itself that rendered itself useless - by refusing to enforce its countless resulutions. |
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clemray
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 11:11:31
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Originally posted by Dallas
I agree Stuart, which is why I never responded to this thread. But astrology and his new buddy hijacked it so completely I had to jump in. Too bad, because I thought people were pretty respectfull of the situation that Totipotent was in, regardless of their personal opinions. But, the accusations and reference to US GI's as 'trigger happy' and the like is beyond disrespectful.
Dallas! you rule my friend! i agree with you 100%. i tried not to respond to all this misinformation and propaganda......but it just got so ridiculous, that i couldn't stand it anymore. thanks for jumping in and making all the great points you've made. |
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