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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 09/16/2004 : 09:13:11
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i don't get the big fuss about throwing muses really, not a fan at all of their music. so please tell me, what is so good about them? is there a track i should check out that will make me see the light (because what i've heard so far certainly hasn't)...
and hersh looks a bit scary on that 50ft wave poster, they're all over manchester, and they scare me.
And it's hard to be a human being, and it's harder as anything else, and I'm lonesome when you're around, and I'm never lonesome when I'm by myself, and I miss you when you're around. |
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1058 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2004 : 09:16:46
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Boo!If only you could see me and my angry face right now.
Depends what sort of music you're coming from as to the 1 track that'll make you see the light.Two of their songs that I'm loving right now are Red Shoes and Solar dip.So dunno,start there maybes?
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2004 : 09:18:36
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simon, simon, simon.....
Throwing Muses are birlliant, but they arre an acquired taste - they are not a band you're likely to listen to once and go "wow!" and fall in love with instantly...they require patience and nuturing.
i had my first TM album, the unbelievably excellent 'University' for a year before it finally clicked that this was fucking fantastic. but i was a but slow on the uptake back in those days.
all i can recommend is go get 'University' or 'In a Doghouse' out of the library, copy it and listen to it once a day for a week. i'd say by thursday it will be your favourite album in the entire world.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2004 : 09:37:53
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Tar Kissers of the great album Limbo should do the trick
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2004 : 10:48:34
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Yeah Limbo is a quality album. What have you heard Simon?
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 11:00:53
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2004 : 12:25:41
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Yeah Limbo is a quality album. What have you heard Simon?
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bits and bobs, just never really grabbed me and made me want to get anything by their's... i have tried listening to stuff by them, thanks to the pixies connection, but never found it that inspiring or anything...
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2004 : 17:54:51
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1887 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2004 : 00:05:53
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House Tornado is what brought me into the fold.
Specifically, the track "Mexican Women"
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the thing
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
313 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2004 : 00:46:48
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I always feel a bit guilty when I listen to University because I secretly covet the tracks that Tanya sings on. I think Kristin has an amazing voice, but a whole album of Muses, unless you are in the right mood can be kind of intense. The shift in mood and vocal styling between her solo stuff and her Muses/50ft stuff is quite startling, with something as delicate as "Murder Misery and Goodnight" pitched against the anger of the 50ft Wave Stuff.
Like the great man himself, possibly an aquired taste, but certainly a taste worth acquiring (she does look darn scary in those poster though!)
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2004 : 05:16:22
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Tar Kissers of the great album Limbo should do the trick
yes, tar kisses is great - the whole limbo album is brilliant - should have sold millions, but was their worst album commercially.
i also like the b-side version of tar kissers - tar moochers - very country....in fact all the b-sides TM have produced have been brilliant...can't wait til they actually get round to releasing them as an album.
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2004 : 19:20:29
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I dunno, I hate to be the unpopular guy and side with Bumble, but I have to. I've owned University for about a year or so. When I first bought it, I listened to it a few times, maybe four or five, and I liked it, but it never clicked. But, I figure that FB and Pixies fans can't be wrong, so as we speak I'm popping it into my discman. I figure it deserves a second shot.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2004 : 19:46:46
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Don't you mean a fifth or sixth shot?
Incidentally, does anyone know anywhere where TM songs can be downloaded? I keep seeing people discuss them on the forum, and I really know nothing about them.
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2004 : 20:55:10
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You could try Soulseek, or beestung.com .
University is a great album, but not really what I'd call classic Muses. In A Doghouse is probably the best place to find out what the Muses were about and why some people hold them in as high esteem as the Pixies. |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2004 : 04:21:48
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yeah, beestung is the place if you're after live stuff and the like.
it's got soooo much stuff there it's phenomenal.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2004 : 04:25:08
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Would you say In A Doghouse is the best place to start then? I've heard Real Ramona is good too.
I've been listening to a lot of Muses offshoots recently, Tanya, 50 Foot Wave and Belly specifically, so I think I should take the plunge. What should I go for?
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1058 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2004 : 04:39:51
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I haven't got In a doghouse yet,but the Real Ramona is fantastic,if you've been listening to Tanya and Belly then I'd say(Out of the albums I own) you should go for Limbo.Or the Real Ramona.
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2004 : 11:34:06
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definitey go for "in a Doghouse"
2cd's of pure brilliance.
thats where i would start....if those songs don't get you going, nothing will.
but seriously, some of the most intense songs i have ever heard appear on that record.
the version of vicky's box from the 2nd cd is my fav muses song....
i can bring the discs along on thursday if ya like simon - but you'd have to give it back.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2004 : 16:14:36
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S'alright B, I got the Real Ramona tonight cos I was passing HMV (along with Shaun Of The Dead - woohoo!). I haven't listened to it yet, but I shall feed back to you on Thursday. If 50 Foot Wave is anything to be going on, this album is going to be superb.
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2004 : 17:14:01
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Originally posted by VoVat
Don't you mean a fifth or sixth shot?
Brick is red, and Hitler's dead. Hang me!
Yeah, I guess you are technically right. Although I group those first four or five attempts into one huge listening. Sort of.
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 01:44:03
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the real ramoa is a fabulous record - it's also their poppiest sounding record, so be aware of that.
hook in her head is phenomenal.
but the b-sides for the 2 singles are the amazing thing about the record. "cottonmouth" is quite possible the best TM song ever written.
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
4307 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 01:56:17
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| and i thought this thread was about ticketmaster. man, ticketmaster sucks. service charge AND convenience charge! what's the convenience? if they mail 'em to me they charge me shipping, that's not fucking convenient, if i pick them up they charge me for convenience? i should be charging them for convenience, fucking ticketmaster! |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 14:34:09
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I'm pretty much loving it so far, Benj. Poppy is good, but as far as I can see Hook In Her Head is my favourite track so I'm open to less so as well... I'm liking Honeychain muchly also.
Simon, have you tried 50 Foot Wave? I love this record. Clara Bow is just amazing.
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 23:04:48
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i think tanya's song's really grow alot into real ramona. on previous albums, i felt they were there cause they kinda had to be, but on RR, they are very very good.
leads perfectly into Pod and Star - great threesome of records there that tanya made in 3 years.
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 06:17:19
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If you don't like University then I don't know how you ever liked any rock music. It's fucking great.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 06:29:18
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Originally posted by Atheist4Catholics
If you don't like University then I don't know how you ever liked any rock music. It's fucking great.
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that's kinda closed minded...  i actually struggle liking female singers, don't know why, i just very rarely like them... no idea why, just don't sound right... which could be where my problem lies. maybe also as it sounds a bit dated to me?
[scrambles for the TM tracks he has]
ok, firepile, not bad, doesn't really grab me until the middle part with the guitar solo... but kind of hoped it go 'further' (maybe louder or rocker) after that solo, but just goes back to how it was really, then the solo again... it's not bad.
dizzy - this is the track that put me off them in the first place, it's that sound a don't like, like a smiths sound, too jangly guitar-like, too 80's indie IMO.
not too soon - too 'poppy' really, not bad, a tanya song? did she also re-release this on her solo album? as i'm sure i've got it on there too?
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 06:52:31
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well bumble - dizzy is a bad song...plain and simple...kristin wrote it cause she felt she had to try to be poppy..result = bad song
not too soon is actually a tanya donelly song, who is much more poppy than kristin's stuff.
firepile is a good song, but definitely not the best on the album by a mile.
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gavredmaxx
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United Kingdom
127 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 15:18:13
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I got hooked via 'Counting Backwards' when it came out as a single and got played on Satellite telly. Anyone I've played Muses stuff to who likes it seemed to get into The Real Ramona pretty easily at first but then got more into the first few albums. I know a few people who got into 'Hips and Makers' before the Muses clicked with them too....
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 15:22:26
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I have University and Limbo on my list now, as well as Hips & Makers.
I came at TM from a funny direction really. I got into the new Tanya Donelly album, then bought the rest of her solo albums and Belly, then I got 50 Foot Wave and backtracked finally to Throwing Muses.
The cool thing is, its all great music!
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EnglishGeezer
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
63 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 17:59:09
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For the best muses stuff you need to venture into the earlier work. For me "In a Doghouse" and "House Tornado/The Fat Skier" are amazing works of art. The guitars are fragmented and jangly, the bass playing is raw and as good as it gets(Leslie Langston left to become a social worker!), and well David Narcizo's drumming is stunning, kinda waltzy up and down,truely unique.
You must get these before you form an opinion on the Throwing Muses! Its like only hearing Bossanova and Trompe.....you just Have to hear Doolittle and Surfa.
Hope I was a help !
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 19:04:31
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Actually, I like dizzy. It's a good song albeit poppy-- that made me go out and buy hunkpapa. That's the only album of theirs I own, but I have recently listened to stuff on Real Player that is amazing like Hunkpapa.
It's actually the song that exposed me to the band-- I saw it on 120 Minutes... back in the day that was the only way I found out about new/alt rock where I lived. That or either randomally picking out tapes in from the three columns alt rock tapes at the record store in the mall... so otherwise I am not sure when/if I would have ever found out about the band :) |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2004 : 02:17:52
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i would leave the room everytime my sister played hps + makers for months and months...
it was just so girly.
i was a huge pixies fan at that stage and also was loving University, but had not made the connection. i was also a very silly 14 year old.
but once i realised the connection, i gave the record and chance, and it blew me away...hips + makers is a fantastic record...one of my desert island discs without a doubt...get it soon McCheese!
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2004 : 03:31:51
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I think a good starting point for Throwing Muses is the middle - the early stuff is the more difficult to listen to - I say take the easy route, decide what you like, and then branch off. So I'd always recommend starting with 'The Real Ramona' - then if you like the poppier or rockier songs, you'll probably like the later stuff more, whereas the tricky ones, where you hear something new each time you listen, then the early stuff is for you.
Their last album from 2003 (the one my husband nicknamed 'Sensuous Flaps') is also a good starter point... if you like 50 Foot Wave, that isn't a guarantee you'd like Throwing Muses - 50 Foot Wave are different, but you can definitely hear the change of music for Kristin on the last Muses album - it's very different to the other Muses albums, almost more agressive, and louder, and faster.
Free downloads wise, beestung is great- also check over at 4ad.com in the Throwing Muses artist section - I think there's full tracks to download there (or if not, then Real Audio...) or if you want to be really cool and do something which Kristin benefits from, sign up for one of the Works in Progress series she does. The last one contains a lot of the Throwing Muses songs that ended up on the last album, but it's all demos that she's done prior to the records being released. They don't cost a lot, don't come with artwork or anything, but are sometimes better than the actual released songs (I love 'Civil Disobedience' on the WIP tracks, possibly more than the album version, and it's just Kristin and an electric guitar... it sounds incredible.). |
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2004 : 03:33:56
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oh, and - I don't think that having Throwing Muses and the Pixies grouped together, despite their links and touring together, does TM a favour. The Pixies were always the bigger band, and in some ways, it really annoyed me with the Muses reunions and the tiny fanfares it got, compared to the Pixies world tour... Throwing Muses had to split because they couldn't afford to exist as a band any more... the Pixies didn't need to.. etc etc etc
and musically, I love them both, but try to avoid comparisons... if I can. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2004 : 04:51:16
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I've loved everything of Tanya's I've ever heard, which is why I will be going towards earlier rather than later next... but Hips & Makers is on the list for sure now, ta Benj.
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2004 : 05:53:44
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have you heard the slow dusted ep from belly simon?
it was their first release - 3 songs from star, but earlier versions + 1 other, and it's phenomenal - it's my favourite of their releases.
dunno if it's still avail from jo....
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