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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 06/14/2004 : 09:38:34
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I'd like to know why the retard post was locked? Deleted I can understand but to leave it there for people to keep being 'offended' just says to me "Im a mod look what I can do". Why does it matter? Retard is a broad term, the thread was not picking on a particular set of people. Its harmless. I had a friend who was a retard he was normal but he was a retard its hard to explain. I was always interested if he knew he was one.
Why is this worse than starting a thread entitled "I hate....."
Are there any farmers on here? Any gay people? Any black people? Any retards? Any girls? Any nerds? Any religious people?
Is there an odd one out?
DONT CENSOR ME! 
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 09:50:42
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We generally don't delete messages as a rule, with the exception of spam and double/cross posts.
You may have noticed the thread lived for two days before being locked. I left it alone at first because I don't think it was fbf's intention to be offensive even though it came across that way to some(I was a bit taken aback myself and I consider myself pretty anti-pc). But, it was clear that I was not the only one taken aback and it was already devolving into arguments/fighting within the first ten or so posts.
I see no potentially positive contribution to the forum from this thread, only negative, even if, as I said, I don't think that was fbf's intent.
As I think someone even pointed out, we wouldn't allow a thread about racial slurs, so why allow other types?
I'm not intending to debate, just to explain why to you.
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 09:56:27
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"As I think someone even pointed out, we wouldn't allow a thread about racial slurs, so why allow other types?"
Society is reflected closely here. Comedians make jokes about disabled people alot (not the mainstream ones so much) but they won't make jokes about the 'colourly challenged' or 'ass farmers'. Just like 50 years ago people didn't talk about sex. Its a poor argument for deletion. I don't agree but what can I do. Just glad you don't rule the world.
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 09:58:51
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Heh, that makes two of us.
"When 5000 posts you reach / Look as good you will not, hmmm?" |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 10:26:11
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In Ancient Rome
There was a poem
About a dog
Who had a bone
He licked one paw
He licked the other
He ran in circles,
'til he dropped dead.
Freedom of choice makes you too slow.
 "It's a far cry from small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Isn't it? Mmmmm. Marvellous." |
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
4307 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 10:56:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
In Ancient Rome
There was a poem
About a dog
Who had a bone
He licked one paw
He licked the other
He ran in circles,
'til he dropped dead.
Freedom of choice makes you too slow.
This topic is about freedom of speech , cheesy, you stupid brit! 
=just kidding!
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 10:58:45
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Ah nuts. Typical.
That would have been so good.
Oh well, I'm sure its still relevant on some level.
"It's a far cry from small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Isn't it? Mmmmm. Marvellous." |
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cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =
USA
442 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 11:37:07
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Freedom of speech does not apply to privately-owned/operated web pages, which this certainly qualifies as. For instance, if the forum on your band's web page was filled with posts by jackasses you didn't agree with, you'd be within your rights to take the offending material down. Because you own it yourself.
Freedom of speech comes into play when those same jackasses wish to start their own web page. In this case, no one could stop them and they could post whatever they wanted, within the bounds of the law (i.e. no child pornography, snuff films, etc).
So settle down. Freedom of speech is alive and well, you just have to be aware of when it comes into play.
-= It's not easy to kidnap a fat man =-
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 11:45:23
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Well said, thank you Chris.
I wish there was a 'Declaration of Responsibilities' to go hand in hand with the 'Declaration of Rights'.
 Join the Cult of the Flying Pigxies - I'm A Believer! |
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Hatchetman
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
234 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 12:02:21
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[quote]Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
In Ancient Rome
There was a poem
About a dog
Who had a bone
He licked one paw
He licked the other
He ran in circles,
'til he dropped dead.
Freedom of choice makes you too slow.
I know this is an almost pointless post but I had to say that it's good to see another Devo fan here! I went to Devo's office in LA once. Very odd!
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fudd
= Cult of Ray =
664 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 12:13:11
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Originally posted by Hatchetman
I know this is an almost pointless post but I had to say that it's good to see another Devo fan here! I went to Devo's office in LA once. Very odd!
There are more, just read the original thread. There is even a club that is not a club that you can not join. |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 13:04:12
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cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =
USA
442 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 13:25:35
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Besides, the server this content is a part of is physically located in Canada, where there is no constitution to amend. 
Just kidding, obviously.
-= It's not easy to kidnap a fat man =-
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Edited by - cvanepps on 06/14/2004 13:27:27 |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 13:55:17
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quote:
Originally posted by Malax
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Society is reflected closely here. Comedians make jokes about disabled people alot (not the mainstream ones so much) but they won't make jokes about the 'colourly challenged' or 'ass farmers'.
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
*Adapted By Carolynanna*
You never heard Bernard Manning?
She said "I'm a virgin" I said "Which version"? |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 15:11:29
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To paraphrase cheeseman and DEVO...
Freedom of speech is what you got
Freedom from speech is what you want |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 15:12:11
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He the guy who makes the ham?
*->(not the mainstream ones so much)<-*
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
*Adapted By Carolynanna* |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 15:21:15
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How do you know he is mainstream? You think he's Bernard Matthews.
She said "I'm a virgin" I said "Which version"? |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2004 : 17:30:41
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Har har. Im lost in a web of sarcasm and twisted humour. Its of my own creation.
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
*Adapted By Carolynanna* |
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This_Guy
- FB Fan -
Canada
146 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 01:06:42
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| freedom is illusory anyway. |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1965 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 01:10:41
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Hey, This Guy. Where's your evil twin, That Guy?
"You gotta watch the mota, Thurston. Yr fuckin memory just goes out the window." |
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This_Guy
- FB Fan -
Canada
146 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 01:14:10
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hey i see what you did there, very clever.
your parents must be proud. |
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fudd
= Cult of Ray =
664 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 05:29:44
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quote:
Originally posted by This_Guy
freedom is illusory anyway.
Not even that, it is blatantly restricted. For instance there are substances I am not allowed to ingest, and others that I can't buy without a permission slip from a member of an elite class. |
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This_Guy
- FB Fan -
Canada
146 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 05:35:49
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quote:
Originally posted by fudd
quote:
Originally posted by This_Guy
freedom is illusory anyway.
Not even that, it is blatantly restricted. For instance there are substances I am not allowed to ingest, and others that I can't buy without a permission slip from a member of an elite class.
i was thinking more in the sense that we are owned and maipulated by faceless corporations and have lost touch so compeletely with self identity that freedom is just a buzz word used to describe the right to purchase material forced upon us.
now that right there is a prize winning run on scentence. |
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
3575 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 06:39:51
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Not so much freedom of speech being the issue, but common sense.
I was very taken back by the 'retard' post...I am admittedly incredibly PC (in most cases..)
This is an open forum where everyone should feel welcome. It may not have started as a offensive post, but it soon escalated to one.
Obviously people shouldnt feel that they need to be typing on eggshells, as it were, but using a little common sense to not out rightly offend minority groups.
Clearly there are minorities no matter what, but as i said, just a little common sense and intelligence.
I agree with CoF. It wasnt going to contribute any thing positive towards the forum, rather it was going to create negative feelings, and arguements
In The End We Will Look Back And Laugh
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 06:44:30
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quote:
Originally posted by GypsyDeath
I agree with CoF. It wasnt going to contribute any thing positive towards the forum, rather it was going to create negative feelings, and arguements
Ha sorry that just made me laugh. To think that most of the posts do contribute something positive and don't create some form of negative feeling and or argument, is like eating dvds, it don't taste like cake.
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
3575 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 06:47:04
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not necessarily every post contributes something positive no, but again, i was referring to using a little common sense, which you seem to be incapable of.
In The End We Will Look Back And Laugh
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 11:30:49
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What I read:
not necessarily every post contributes something positive no, but again, i was referring to using a little common sense, UNECESSARY PERSONAL SLUR.
Look I start a post about 'freedom of speech' and it starts an argument. tsk tsk
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
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deleted
4894 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 13:25:49
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you don't have to pay to talk anymore
can't get into anything these days. Always on the peripheral. Always terrified, exhausted, annoyed, pissed, anxious, out of it-out of the loop, out of my mind, out of time.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 13:43:16
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Another rubbish advert.
Listen to Nine Black Alps. |
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4894 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 13:47:21
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ya ya ya
wrap me up in cotton wool, give me a crown of marshmallows tell me lovely things then set me loose
bah humbug to censorship. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 13:48:31
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I hate adverts.
Listen to Nine Black Alps. |
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deleted
4894 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 14:02:05
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I hate cotton wool. And censorship and war. And the new fanta man. he totally sucks. I hate UKIP and I hate pretentiousness and ignorance I hate assumption and I hate having other peoples ideology forced onto me. I hate people deciding what I can and cannot hear, I hate people deciding what will be offensive to me. Westlife offend me. Paegent queen mothers offend me. Stupidity and banality offend me. Gee I hate lots of stuff.
can't get into anything these days. Always on the peripheral. Always terrified, exhausted, annoyed, pissed, anxious, out of it-out of the loop, out of my mind, out of time.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 14:04:43
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Let go of your hate Luke.
Listen to Nine Black Alps. |
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1342 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 14:05:01
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Heh, an internet forum is the last place I would go if I was concerned about exercising my freedom of speech to the full...typed dialogue is too restraining.
Plus, I don't think COF had the whole issue of "freedom of speech" in mind when locking the topic, he was just eliminating a potentially ugly thread, which is what moderators have a right to do.
1. I am a fsh with no i's.
2. You must be wearing Zubaz, 'cause you're daring to be different.
3. I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 14:09:20
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I want to rage rage rage against the dying of the light.....
or I at least reserve the right to grump a bit
and all threads have the potential to be ugly.. you could start a how cute are kittens thread and have some maniacal kitty bum-fucker post all sorts of nasty porny dirty wrongness. The thread was obvious in it's title, it said the word RETARD in it, which if people find offensive they shouldn't read the darned thread and upset their heads! As simple as! |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 14:11:27
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I think the thing that perhaps needs to be considered, to be fair, is what I think Mel was getting at. If a 'retard' came on here and saw that topic, they would probably be pretty upset. More so than someone coming on here and finding someone taking the piss out of their favourite band/film etc. If people really wanted to take the piss out of 'retards', they could create their own website. This is someone else's website and they can do what they like with it. Simple as. Like it or lump it.
Listen to Nine Black Alps. |
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