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darkoutsider
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 05/21/2004 : 16:11:52
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This seems to be a real hot issue right now. And I figured, you guys are a pretty open crowd. What do you guys think of gay marriage? Do you think homosexual people should get the same rights and privileges that straight couples do? Do you support the Amendment to ban gay marriage?
My take is, that this is the last civil rights movement. I think if your gay or lesbian, you should have the right to wed and share your life with whom ever you choose. I mean this whole it's a sacred bond between a man and a woman. If it's so sacred, if it's so sanctioned then why are there TV shows exploiting it every week. Have we forgotten "Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire?" "The Bachelor" "The Bachelorette." How special is marriage in this country anyway. We have Britany Spheres spliting up with her hubby after 30 minutes. J-Lo's is in a new marriage every month. Who are they trying to kid? Just let them.
What do you think?
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mattb
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 16:44:54
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This is such a non-issue, why the fuck should the government have any say in how people live their lives as long as it's not hurting anyone.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 16:54:32
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| The government has no business being involved in marriage or other interpersonal relations for that matter so long as no laws regarding injury to person or property are broken. Marriage should be handled by the individuals involved, as an informal or contractual matter. How did the state ever get into the business of issuing marriage licenses? Similarly, the government is out of line passing laws regarding divorce, alimony, and child support payment. Again, these should be addressed exclusively in terms of contracts between those immediately involved. Despite sharing the almost universal loathing of lawyers, if I had my way we would replace as much of government and it laws with simple contracts and a judiciary empowered to enforce them and adjudicate contractual disputes. The Christian Right cuts its own throat over the gay marriage issue. |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 17:52:24
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| As long as everyone is of age and consenting, the government needs to stay the hell out of folks' bedrooms. Also, it strikes me as deeply anti-family and decidedly un-Christian to attempt to determine what can and cannot be considered a family. Homophobic motherfuckers. |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 18:17:26
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It's very "Christian." Christianity is probably the only reason we have sick, homophobic ass-holes in the world today. Being in high-school, every single day I hear people degrading homosexuals; it's absolutely sick. I heard one young man the other day saying that every homosexual (or "fag" as everyone likes to call them) should be killed, and as puerile as the comment may sound, if the guy had his way he probably would kill them all. In language arts class about a month ago, we did persuasive speeches and one person who was against homosexual marriage tried to say that gay marriage caused more violence and brought about more sexual predators and child-molestors and what-not, and that we should put an end to homosexuality before it's too late, which is one of the most grotesquly absurd statements I've ever heard, and what's worse, he got the best grade in the class on his speech--149/150. The world is just sick! Anyways, the government should have no say-so in who can and can't get married.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 18:40:34
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I agree with the people who have already sounded off here. I really can't even understand how it's such an issue. Homophobia totally baffles me. How is someone being gay going to hurt you in any way? I guess some people just like telling other people what they can and can't do, even if it makes no sense.
Even if all homosexuals really ARE going to Hell, why would the Religious Right care if people they don't even like are going to be damned?
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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 18:46:09
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The only issue is if gay couples should adopt kids. I'm absolutely for gay marriages as long as legal issues are implied. Gay couples must have the same rights as straight ones in matters of heritage, social security etc. IMO they should not be absolutely allowed to adopt kids or have children by insemination.
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mattb
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 19:43:53
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Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
The only issue is if gay couples should adopt kids. I'm absolutely for gay marriages as long as legal issues are implied. Gay couples must have the same rights as straight ones in matters of heritage, social security etc. IMO they should not be absolutely allowed to adopt kids or have children by insemination.
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Why do I always feel like I'm repeating myself on this forum?
Your comment about homos adopting kids or having them in general is as closed minded as people protesting them getting married. Do you have any basis in fact that this is not the correct thing to do?
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 20:09:46
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Heck yeah, cause people who have love to give and really want to make a good happy home for a child should be the LAST people in the world to have them.*
I know two men who got married today who apopted two small boys from Cambodia. If they had not done so, these boys would certainly still be in an orphanage, looking at a very poor and desolate future. Is that preferrable to being with two men who love them and are giving them a GREAT life?
Also, my dad is gay and he is the BEST dad I ever could have gotten. So, I may be biased, but it is for damn good reason.
As for gay marriage, I don't see a problem with two people who love each other wanting to stand up and say so in front of God and people they love. Isn't that what marriage SHOULD be anyway?
*(this is sarcasm, in case you didn't get that).
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fudd
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 20:19:21
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Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
The only issue is if gay couples should adopt kids. I'm absolutely for gay marriages as long as legal issues are implied. Gay couples must have the same rights as straight ones in matters of heritage, social security etc. IMO they should not be absolutely allowed to adopt kids or have children by insemination.
Keep your attitude off other people's lives and bodies, asshole.
I am the father of a gay teenager, and he is going through the kind of shit that has been discussed here. He was really messed up for a while, even suicidal. With the help of a therapist he has come to grips with what his life is going to be like, and things are much better, thank goodness. He and his straight brother are the most important things in the world to me. To think someone might have told me I couldn't have them--well, I can't find words. And I can't find words for a dickhead like you that wants to tell him he can't raise kids of his own. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2004 : 20:44:57
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Is namecalling the apex of civility?
If the only tool you have is an elbow macaroni,
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 21:00:34
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The non-religious argument against gay marriage:
Any change to the "1 man + 1 woman" model for marriage opens up marriage for more potential change. Such as the legalization of group marriages. There are probably people right now in 2 woman+1 man relationships or 3 man+1 woman relationships (or any other combination you can think of) who could come up with a good argument for why they should be allowed to marry as a group.
If "1 man + 1 woman" is oppressive today and the law changes so that marriage is just "1 + 1 (gender unspecified)", then just "1 + 1" might be considered oppressive tomorrow.
I don't have strong feelings about this. It's okay with me if homosexual couples marry. It's even okay with me if groups marry each other.
But I can also see why some people might be antsy about potentially altering the fabric of society. |
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fudd
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 21:33:02
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Originally posted by apl4eris
Is namecalling the apex of civility?
If the only tool you have is an elbow macaroni,
all your problems look like Schroedinger's cat.
Is bigotry civil? I responded in kind.
Sorry. It's difficult to send off your son to a suburban high school every day where half the kids hate him without even knowing him. I talked about the possibility of getting a job in a different part of the country and it didn't bother him at all; at that age, I would have thought it was an uprooting I would never have lived through. So I have a bit of anger about this topic, and sometimes act in a rather harsh manner. |
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fudd
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 21:46:47
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Originally posted by Jason
But I can also see why some people might be antsy about potentially altering the fabric of society.
Isn't it a pretty weak society that hinges on whether a pair/trio/etc. calls themselves "married" or not? Regarding joint property, tax status, and employment benefits, there are some issues, but if our way of life will crumble just because some group calls itself married, we are in big trouble. Of course, we are anyway, but it certainly isn't a good argument against gay marriage. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 23:00:57
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Originally posted by fudd
Isn't it a pretty weak society that hinges on whether a pair/trio/etc. calls themselves "married" or not? Regarding joint property, tax status, and employment benefits, there are some issues, but if our way of life will crumble just because some group calls itself married, we are in big trouble. Of course, we are anyway, but it certainly isn't a good argument against gay marriage.
"Crumble" isn't the word. It's not about "crumbling" exactly (well, not if looked at objectively). It's just about things being different.
Imagine group marriages being legal. Then imagine, in the future, a scenario where 10,000 people all marry each other as some communal gesture. Should the laws for marriage begin to change then in a generation or two after the changes, marriage (what it is, what it means) might be a very different thing than it is now.
Change often makes people uncomfortable, you know.
And again, I'm okay with it. I think it's inevitable anyway. The people fighting it are just hittin' the snooze button. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2004 : 01:22:52
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Gay marriage is legal in holland for years
that's the one political thing I'm most proud of
as for christianity as only reason of homophobia as NimrodsSon said:
No
simply not
homophobia's source lies in Xenophobia
what people don't know
they don't trust
they fear
they hate
without any real reason
that was in the day that the bibble was written
(the bibble wasn't written by God, it was written by humans.
And everything that made the bibble was choosed by humans.
So I guess it's fair to say humans came up with at least 50% of christianity.)
and that is going on now
I believe that Paul (we call him Paulus) was the guy who wrote
all the gay bashing stuff in the bibble
he was also the one who wrote lots of degrading women paragraphs
In the modernchurch there's lots of debate about Paul
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 01:29:18
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Hmm, it's hard to word discussions like this without people jumping down your throat.
Gay marriages don't bother me. Like Jason says, it's inevitable, but that's not why it doesn't bother me.
Although, I don't understand why they'd want to get married in a religious environment, what with most religious texts condemning such. It does seem kind of hypocritical seeing homosexuals going to church. How can you pick and choose parts of a faith that suit you?
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
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573 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2004 : 02:06:55
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I don't suppose a gay person would marry in church. I doubt very much that the church would allow gay couples to marry in any event, like they don't allow divorcees to marry.
This might be flexible of course but no doubt most regilons groups will have a common policy.
I myself couldn't care less if gay people marry or adopt children. I my line of work i come into contact with alot of very sad stories of children who have been neglected and abused and will be adopted.
If people can offer love and a stable home that surely is the key. |
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 02:15:22
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ok
1. I was adopted by 2 straight people 40 years older than me
2. Ramona is the coolest woman on earth
3. I think that Gay Marriage is a step in the right direction for the USA.
4. Fudd is the Swimmer
5. Apl4eris' mockingbird is nothing compared to mine, I call him Ali
6. ColdHeartofStone needs to fall in love with me and live happily everafter
7. God
Gay marriage is legal in holland for years
that's the one political thing I'm most proud of
as for christianity as only reason of homophobia as NimrodsSon said:
No
simply not
homophobia's source lies in Xenophobia
what people don't know
they don't trust
they fear
they hate
without any real reason
that was in the day that the bibble was written
(the bibble wasn't written by God, it was written by humans.
And everything that made the bibble was choosed by humans.
So I guess it's fair to say humans came up with at least 50% of christianity.)
and that is going on now
I believe that Paul (we call him Paulus) was the guy who wrote
all the gay bashing stuff in the bibble
he was also the one who wrote lots of degrading women paragraphs
In the modernchurch there's lots of debate about Paul
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 02:16:39
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Similarly, the government is out of line passing laws regarding divorce, alimony, and child support payment. Again, these should be addressed exclusively in terms of contracts between those immediately involved.
Erebus, I respect your philosophical consistency, but I don't think the above is going to work. For example, how many children are unplanned? What previous contract is going to decide how the two parents provide for the kids? Is the government needed in these cases? In the case of divorce, would contracts specify different infidelties or cruelities and the consequences (i.e. if X hits Y, Y receives 3/4 of the assets)? Is this practical (please tell me if I'm off track of what you were saying)?
I know two people going through a divorce right now and I think it's a good thing that laws have been established about parental rights and how assets are divided. Otherwise, I doubt a contract written when most people believe they will be married until they die would be so definitive and they would be attacking each other more than they already are. |
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
1264 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2004 : 03:25:29
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I agree with the majority here. Gay couples should be free to marry and adopt/ have kids. Sadly this is not legal in the majority of countries worldwide. Well done to the USA for allowing gay marriage.
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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 07:07:50
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Originally posted by fudd
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Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
The only issue is if gay couples should adopt kids. I'm absolutely for gay marriages as long as legal issues are implied. Gay couples must have the same rights as straight ones in matters of heritage, social security etc. IMO they should not be absolutely allowed to adopt kids or have children by insemination.
Keep your attitude off other people's lives and bodies, asshole.
I am the father of a gay teenager, and he is going through the kind of shit that has been discussed here. He was really messed up for a while, even suicidal. With the help of a therapist he has come to grips with what his life is going to be like, and things are much better, thank goodness. He and his straight brother are the most important things in the world to me. To think someone might have told me I couldn't have them--well, I can't find words. And I can't find words for a dickhead like you that wants to tell him he can't raise kids of his own.
The only dickhead here is you. I never imposed my attitude on anyone. I don't give a fuck about if one is gay or not, never noticed any difference or discriminated anyone for his sexual or other preferences. Actually i do have gay friends. And thank god they aren't stupid fuckheads like you but they can discuss in a more civil matter.
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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 07:26:07
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As someone said here marriage is just a contract. What most gay people i know want isn't the social approval or a religious cerimony but the legal benefits that derive from a marriage. Raising children is a whole different matter. Does society has the right to put a child in a family that has non conventional sexual attitude? There are no homophobic complexes in this simple question. Being gay marriages a recent phenomenon no one knows what the psycological development of a child will be with 2 parents of the same sex. That's just an opinion and not an effort to impose my attitude. Where is the bigotry in reflecting?
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 07:29:55
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darkoutsider, I think you said it all with your first post.
NimrodsSon, I cannot believe that kid got a 149/150! I would have failed him for his ignorance alone and I wouldn't care if that made me a bad teacher.
fudd, I'm sorry that you and your son are having such a tough time and I truly wish you the best but you need to calm the fuck down and respond more reasonably to people. Many people do not believe that homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children and those people should not be compared to every homophobe on the planet. I'm not making a case for or against it, but realize that if you continue to respond as you did people might simply become defensive and when that happens your view will never be considered.
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 08:21:31
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Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
Being gay marriages a recent phenomenon no one knows what the psycological development of a child will be with 2 parents of the same sex.
This is absolutely NOT true. Gay couples (men and women) have been having kids for YEARS. Just b/c gay "marriage" is new, gay parenting is not.
Oh, and thanks, LBF, I am not sure what I did to deserve the title, but I will surely take it.
I also wanted to say that I agree that the idea of MARRIAGE today may not be the best one for gay couples, b/c whoever said that about the bible is right (somewhat) in my opinion. It is a HOLY ideal supposidely "meant" to be between a man and a woman. BUT, it is all we have - and until they invent another way for two people to be bound together in such a way, EVERYONE should be allowed.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2004 : 08:22:35
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Though it had been more or less settled, the point is the this is a discussion forum, and if you only want to hear one sided arguments then you best find yourself an account at some ultra-left or ultra-right wing political forum instead.
Nothing wrong with gays being together/'married' or whatever other term you might apply to it (though I don't think the state has the write to force a church to do the marrying if they don't want to). I feel the same way about gay adoption as I do about single parent adoption: I'd rather not see it, I suppose.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 09:36:24
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Um, is there ANY evidence that children or gay or single parents end up maladjusted? That just seems ridiculous to me.
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I believe that Paul (we call him Paulus) was the guy who wrote
all the gay bashing stuff in the bibble
Most, but not all. There's something in Leviticus about it being an abomination for a man to "lie with another man as with a woman," or something along those lines. Some people also insist that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality, but I really can't see that interpretation. Still, churches have constantly reinterpreted various parts of the Bible, so I see no reason why anyone nowadays would make such a big deal out of the gay thing, especially when they're ignoring other stuff in the Bible. It seems to me that a lot of fundamentalist types make up their minds on issues, and then find obscure Bible passages that support what they already believe. That said, I do think an individual church (or other religious institution) has the right to refuse to institute homosexual marriage, but the government does not, thanks to a little something called separation of church and state. Christianity might teach that marriage is a holy union between a man and a woman, but the United States does not have a state religion, and I don't think the other countries in which posters on this thread live do, either.
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 09:57:19
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Originally posted by VoVat
Um, is there ANY evidence that children or gay or single parents end up maladjusted? That just seems ridiculous to me.
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo.
No there is no evidence that they end up maladjusted, but there is no evidence that they don't either, it's just another factor to take in consideration before making a law. I am sure that many gay couples would be better parents than people i know. As i am sure that many gay couples are not capable of raising children. I don't focus on their capability of being good or bad parents (they are like everyone else after all, in all categories you find good and bad people)i am just reflecting on if it's a good idea legalizing this kind of adoptions in large scale. I find that completely opening society versus a non traditional family (that is a family where there are two same sex parents) is not such a good idea for the simple reason that it has unpredictable consequences. It will create confusion and it will make difficult to explain human sexuality at the children.
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darkoutsider
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 11:01:01
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Let me just say a few things before more people come in here and post, may I? Listen, I'm really glad this thread got as many posts as it did. It's nice to see people standing up for what's right, Equal Rights for all! But please, can we keep the name calling and bashing to a minimum? What's that going to solve, what's that going to prove? I know this topic can get a little heated. But all the "dickhead" "asshole" "motherfucker" comments isn't helping anyone. If anything, it just adds more fuel to the already blazing inferno this subject has become in our society. Lets show people that we can have calm, peaceful discussions.
It's okay to argue, I'm not saying it's not. People will argue all the time, especially when it comes to "change," what's left to change any way with marriage. The concept of marriage has been raped for the past 4 years, what are homosexual couples going to add "LOVE!!" No we can't have that no. But going back to what I was saying before, it's fine to argue but don't go off calling each other assholes and motherfuckers. Then you'll all just sound like those Religious, Right Wing, Conservitive... well... assholes we see on tele all the time.
I know all of us here on FB.net are better then those creeps.
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darkoutsider
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 11:07:10
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Funny, I came from a family that just hates. I remember when my Mother use to tell me how evil it was to be gay. And that gay people are not to be trusted. If I know someone that's gay, don't be around them. If I turned out gay, how awful my life would become. She use to tell me, don't be gay. Your going to grow up, find a nice girl and marry her and not a man. They were a bit on the racist side to.
The funny thing is my family is hispanic. I know, it totally sounded like I came from white trash rednecks. But I find it funny how I came from that kind of background, and still turned out the way I am. Because I know, being raised in a hateful environment, you too will come out hateful. Thank "God" I dodged that bullet. They're also real religious now, but that's a WHOLE other thread there.
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apl4eris
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USA
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 11:28:12
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mun chien, your argument seems to hold some water (I imagine anybody with a different background or socio-economic strata, weird accent, or even funny clothes will be picked on), until you consider that mixed race couples had the very same argument used against them when they had children. The problem is not children from mixed race couples or children being raised by gay couples, but society's narrow-minded response to them. Just in the 1950s and 60s here in the US, the responses to Eisenhower's decision to desegregate public schools were surprisingly and scarily ignorant and vehemently hateful. General attitude has changed, though not as quickly or broadly as one might hope, but it has changed. Society and human civil interaction is not easy nor perfect. It's a struggle to insist and live the belief that everyone is equal and should be treated as such, but we have to keep working for it.
As far as whether gays should be allowed to legally join in civil union, or marriage, I completely agree with VoVat's post, and I think a lot of other posters' similar thoughts on the matter.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 11:56:35
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I agree with apl. Society is mostly what makes gays adopting children wrong, for now at least. I guess though, the only way to get through it is to let them adopt until society broadens its view of things and quits harassing them. It will be tough for the first generations of childeren raised by gay paernts but that seems to be the only way.
The issue of whether or not those children will be gay themselves seems, at first, incredibly ignorant, but when you think about it, mun chien is right; there is no evidence to say either way. There is well substantiated evidence that some early childhood socialization takes place which determines sexual orientation. Now, I believe that having gay parents would have little or no bearing on that outcome but I couldn't say for sure and, really, neither could anyone else. "So what," you say? well, there is some understandable debate there if you believe such socialization could sway a child's sexual orientation. Homosexuals are not fully accepted in society and if one, hypothetically, had the option to raise a gay child, well - that is pretty questionable.
Does any of that make sense?
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darkoutsider
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 12:04:28
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I understand...
But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 12:07:00
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what's really messed up is that (at least in MA) gays were allowed to adopt before they were allowed to marry.
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darkoutsider
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 12:07:45
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Well it's a bit backwards, but at least they sort of won the good fight... there right?
But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 12:45:14
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Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
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Originally posted by VoVat
Um, is there ANY evidence that children or gay or single parents end up maladjusted? That just seems ridiculous to me.
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo.
No there is no evidence that they end up maladjusted, but there is no evidence that they don't either, it's just another factor to take in consideration before making a law.
Yeah, but that is true for anyone - kids raised with two straight parents, one single parent, etc. Life is a crap shoot and if you start out with good footing and two parents who love you and want you - you have a much better chance than many people in the world, do you not??
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Gay Marriage? What do you think?
