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Marc With A C
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Posted - 04/19/2004 :  15:47:47  Show Profile  Visit Marc With A C's Homepage  Reply with Quote
After much careful deliberation, I've decided that IMO, "Show Me Your Tears" is by far my favorite moment in the FB cannon, Pixies or otherwise. I'm really fascinated by the autobiographical nature of the songs, as well as the two-track recording... and basically the overall vibe.

Can anyone tell me what other songs may have been recorded/released from these sessions? You know, b-sides or outtakes, possibly those ITunes songs that were circulating....

I'd like to put together sort of an 'expanded' edition of the album for my own usage. Can anyone help me find this info?

Thanks so much!

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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Iceland
8201 Posts

Posted - 04/19/2004 :  16:00:08  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I only know Ludwigschafen and Snake Oil from the Nadine CD, but then i'm lame.


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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =

Canada
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Posted - 04/19/2004 :  16:01:38  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There's a whole album coming out of them later this year...


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Marc With A C
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Posted - 04/19/2004 :  16:29:15  Show Profile  Visit Marc With A C's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Can you tell me anymore about that release?

Are there any other tracks besides those b-sides from the sessions that are currently available? Sorry, I'm impatient to hear more of this era :)

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kingphilbert
= Cult of Ray =

USA
356 Posts

Posted - 04/19/2004 :  16:36:06  Show Profile  Visit kingphilbert's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There was the iTunes exclusive Don't Clip Your Wings EP. B-Sides on the Everything is New single. But yeah, FB is releasing two b-side album eventually with them all on it.
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kingphilbert
= Cult of Ray =

USA
356 Posts

Posted - 04/19/2004 :  16:38:45  Show Profile  Visit kingphilbert's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Here you go:

http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5677
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Marc With A C
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39 Posts

Posted - 04/19/2004 :  17:11:55  Show Profile  Visit Marc With A C's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kingphilbert

Here you go:

http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5677



Thanks so much!

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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Niue
7442 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  00:58:33  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Agree, Marc with a c! Never got tired of this record.



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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
6213 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  02:52:08  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Take what you want, Down in the Hole, Preacher's Daughter, A Dabb'l Do Ya, Show Me Your Tears, Don't Clip your Wings, Snake Oil and Ludwigshafen.

Those songs were from the same session and are indeed on the b-sides compilations. (which are, as far as I know of, not anounced to be released yet)



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mrgrieves1971
= Cult of Ray =

USA
544 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  05:58:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I threw SMYT in the CD player this weekend and my son (20 months) just started rocking out to Everything is New. Just siting in his high chair bobbing his head. He did the same thing for The Snake. It was pretty funny.

Edited by - mrgrieves1971 on 04/20/2004 05:58:54
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kingphilbert
= Cult of Ray =

USA
356 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  10:00:04  Show Profile  Visit kingphilbert's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It's definitely a great album. So are all the b-sides.
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-

France
2715 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  10:50:43  Show Profile  Visit Frog in the Sand's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Am I the only one here to think that Preacher's Daughter is one of the best songs Frank has ever written?


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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *

Austria
1036 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  11:39:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i once read that frank said SMYT goes best with scotch and red wine (in this order). fuck me, he is right. don´t know about the scotch, but i´m just drinking red wine and i´m listening to SMYT - it works perfectly ! especially new house of the pope...

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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1772 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  11:42:30  Show Profile  Visit PsychicTwin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
New House of the Pope works perfectly every time, wine or no wine. I think that is the only song in the world that can make me feel drunk without having had a drop.
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *

Austria
1036 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  11:47:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i didn't like new house of the pope in the beginning, as i disliked more or less whe whole SMYT. but in the meantime i see it is an awfully good album...as brilliant as any other..

yeah, coast line is just starting ! have to get another nip..

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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1938 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  12:00:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think this album has, by far, the best craftsmanship and instrumentation of any Frank Black related album (yes, even Teenager) and fuck me if the songs aren't some of teh best he's ever written. I think anyone who claims they don't like this album needs to put it back in for a few more spins because it's absolutely incredible. And it's looking to me like Honeycomb may very well top Show Me Your Tears; I can't wait till whenever it comes out!


ˇViva los Católicos!
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"

USA
3988 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  12:48:37  Show Profile  Visit ramona's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I love Preachers Daughter. It's so sad and pretty.
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anazgnos
= Cult of Ray =

USA
383 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  13:20:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman

Take what you want, Down in the Hole, Preacher's Daughter, A Dabb'l Do Ya, Show Me Your Tears, Don't Clip your Wings, Snake Oil and Ludwigshafen.



Yup, that's my SMYT "bonus disc", in a slimline double case with the original.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 04/20/2004 :  14:41:38  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Preacher's Daughter should have been on SMYT, don't know why frank left it off, but it's one of his best songs, plus it has big production with kick ass instruments and cool solo's.



"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf"
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1938 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2004 :  16:26:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, i agree. All of the songs on the itunes thing should have been on the record.


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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 04/21/2004 :  00:12:49  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
well personally I don't care for Show Me Your Tears (the song) and A Dabb'le Do Ya, those songs sound rushed and b-sides material, but when I listen to the other two, I can't help to think that they aren't any less than anything on SMYT



"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf"
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Marc With A C
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Posted - 04/23/2004 :  16:16:34  Show Profile  Visit Marc With A C's Homepage  Reply with Quote
After tracking down most of the aforementioned oddities, I can't imagine why "Preacher's Daughter" and the titel track might have been left off.

But... if that had been on an otherwise perfect album too? Well, my head would have exploded.

Thank you, Charles. Thank you for not making my head combustion fears a reality.

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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <

3648 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2004 :  20:26:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Marc With A C
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After much careful deliberation, I've decided that IMO, "Show Me Your Tears" is by far my favorite moment in the FB cannon, Pixies or otherwise. I'm really fascinated by the autobiographical nature of the songs, as well as the two-track recording... and basically the overall vibe.





SMYT is the only frank black anything I regurarly listen to at the current time, and I'm talking 20 times a week. for 4 months...
I have every CD and other stuff. but at the moment SMYT is 99% of anything having to do with FB...

Before SMYT what I listened to FB-wise was more assorted

I am looking forward more to the next FB&C album than I am the hundreds of dollars I've spent on disc-live of the reunion pixies

I won't get to see the Pixies... they only play in big cities far away and the ticket prices are 4 times as much as the catholics...

Even though it screws me over, I am glad they are taking good care of themselves

Frank is the best
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *

1446 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2004 :  21:16:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i'm still not tired of it, either and I too continue to play Show Me Your Tears a few times every week. It's not too complex and I don't hear anything "new" in it that I didn't hear the first few times I played it, but I don't care. It never stops sounding good to me.

I'm in a big Frank Black phase. Maybe it's a reaction to all this Pixies stuff goin' on. I've been listening to all the solo and Catholics stuff lately. I drag the whole collection to work each day. Cult of Ray has aged real well for me. And for some reason I've had "Can I Get a Witness" stuck in my head all week.
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <

3648 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2004 :  21:38:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the other 1% is dominated by Cult of Ray for Cult
of Ray
me

I wake up in the moring with cult of ray in my head

esp. jesus was right... no shit

For me right now:

#1 SMYT
#2 COR
#3 Something else other than FB

Edited by - Little Black Francis on 04/23/2004 21:40:26
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Marc With A C
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39 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2004 :  15:17:51  Show Profile  Visit Marc With A C's Homepage  Reply with Quote
See... I haven't really been blown away by CoR yet. The songs that affect me most on the record are two that I never hear anyone mention: "Creature Crawling" and "Dance War".

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chick
- FB Fan -

Canada
118 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2004 :  18:52:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marc With A C,

"Creature Crawling" and "Dance War" are great songs.I think "CC" is one of Franks best songs.Just listen to CoR again.I like all of the songs on the cd.I like it better than Teenager of the year, but that's just my opinion.
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rockmusic84
= Cult of Ray =

USA
256 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2004 :  19:22:34  Show Profile  Visit rockmusic84's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mrgrieves1971

I threw SMYT in the CD player this weekend and my son (20 months) just started rocking out to Everything is New. Just siting in his high chair bobbing his head. He did the same thing for The Snake. It was pretty funny.



Awesome, Mr. Grieves!! Your son will grow up with a deep cultured respect and good taste for rock music, all because of your good parenting!
SMYT is definitely one of Frank's best. One of the albums in my collection I play air guitar to. (And a MEAN air guitar, at that!!!)

Join The Cult of U-MASS - IT'S EDUCATIONAL!!!
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
2462 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2004 :  08:15:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I got the album when it was released, um, but I was fond of certain tracks such as Massif Centrale because I saw Frank debut them solo that summer.

It is very well constructed. Love it.

'Took his plane to Columbia/So I could sell at my school"
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *

1446 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2004 :  10:35:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cult of Ray is a solid, entertaining rock record. Not much more, not much less. It's a cheeseburger and a milkshake. Frank's last attempt at lookin' for a hit.

I like the production. The guitars are right in your ear.
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Adam
= Cult of Ray =

USA
505 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2004 :  10:55:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have always thought CoR was very cartoonish. Look at the cover and the cover of the IDWHY singles, for example. He seemed to turn himself into a cartoon for that period before FB&C's came out. He then shed the cartoon to rock.
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Angry Elvis
- FB Fan -

USA
68 Posts

Posted - 04/28/2004 :  11:22:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i haven't been able to remove it (SMYT)from my cd player

every time i go to put in a different cd i just wind up pressing play again

on a further note,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

my son is 12 these days, he was listening to the pixies as a baby and digging it

when they come to play nyc we are going together, it may turn out to be his first concert ever

do you think i am going to ruin his future concert going enjoyment?

i mean, after all, what is ever going to top that?

*i'm just a hunka hunka burnin love*

Edited by - Angry Elvis on 04/28/2004 11:23:50
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chick
- FB Fan -

Canada
118 Posts

Posted - 04/28/2004 :  14:22:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If your son got to see pixies as his first show he'd be one lucky sob
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charlesthompson
- FB Fan -

Luxembourg
188 Posts

Posted - 05/04/2004 :  13:06:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i love "everything is new"!!!
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charlesthompson
- FB Fan -

Luxembourg
188 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  11:18:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
but 'you never heard bout me' is a fucking briliant
song to
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1973 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2004 :  11:37:29  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage  Reply with Quote
IMHO

Best album if you include the Pixies : Bossanova
Best FB album : TOTY
Best Catholics album : SMYT.

I must say I think that the emotional distance that, in my heart, separates Bossanova from SMYT is very short.



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