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Fissionignition
- FB Fan -
USA
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 Posted - 12/16/2004 : 13:04:09
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This song just blows me away!! The Peel Sessions version is a force of nature - The Catholics rock hard & Frank is in top-screaming shape. That a song like this ends up as a B-Side speaks volumes about the quality of Frank & The Catholics work.
Simply Amazing.
Oh, I have to listen to it one more time 
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 12/16/2004 : 13:16:31
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/16/2004 : 16:29:57
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Was that the session where they played 'Changing of the Guards' too?
I remember listening to the entire show, as John would play other stuff and chat between each song. I was there most of the night waiting inpatiently for the next track, finger ready to press play/record on the stereo. That was a good night for radio. Frank live in England, at this very moment in time, and i'm listening.
(oh dear. slowly starting to miss the Catholics. isn't it amazing Franks still around making music. Think they call it longevity in the "biz". that thing they all strive for, yet rarely achieve)
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Fissionignition
- FB Fan -
USA
16 Posts |
Posted - 12/16/2004 : 18:02:39
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| Has anybody ever seen Frank play this song live with The Catholics? I've been to two Frank Black & The Catholics shows(DITS & DW/BLD tours) and I don't remember him ever playing this song. |
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franktaper
- FB Fan -
USA
158 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2004 : 14:41:44
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This song was played live in Toronto, July, 11, 1999. Maybe other shows too??? They also played Humboldt County Massacre at that show fwiw.
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Originally posted by Fissionignition
Has anybody ever seen Frank play this song live with The Catholics? I've been to two Frank Black & The Catholics shows(DITS & DW/BLD tours) and I don't remember him ever playing this song.
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2004 : 19:25:09
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hWolsky agrees, this song, he loves it, gave him inspiraton for his first pop velvetestesque song.
hWolsky also loves Baby That's Art.
Mmmmm....
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2004 : 02:17:14
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I guess it's the best single
'All my Ghosts'
the best b-sides
Like the BBC version too
but haven't heard it in a while
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2004 : 12:23:57
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The only version I've heard is the one recorded with the Peel. Is there another studio recording floating around anywhere?
How it was left off an album sure beats me. |
Edited by - frank black conspiracy on 12/19/2004 12:24:43 |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2004 : 14:38:10
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Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
The only version I've heard is the one recorded with the Peel. Is there another studio recording floating around anywhere?
How it was left off an album sure beats me.
well if you look at my first post
there may be some clues
All my ghost-single
and you're absolutely right
why it wasn't on the fb and the c's beats me too
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2004 : 15:59:26
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Originally posted by billgoodman
well if you look at my first post
there may be some clues
All my ghost-single
I saw, big thanks for the hint. Have to get me a copy of that.
Amazon! Here I come.
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and you're absolutely right
why it wasn't on the fb and the c's beats me too
I've always enjoyed 'Can I Get A Witness' too, and wondered bout this on a Catholics record. It seems a nice end to 'Cult of..' if you include the bonus tracks, but definately one in the mould of the Cs.
Do you think 'Witness' was the first clue Frank was heading down the Catholics path? |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2004 : 00:46:58
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don't know about witness
explain your opinion further
I think whole Cult Of Ray is a clue
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gary13th
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
632 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2004 : 05:23:09
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is there a boot of this doing the rounds??
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Originally posted by franktaper
This song was played live in Toronto, July, 11, 1999. Maybe other shows too??? They also played Humboldt County Massacre at that show fwiw.
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Originally posted by Fissionignition
Has anybody ever seen Frank play this song live with The Catholics? I've been to two Frank Black & The Catholics shows(DITS & DW/BLD tours) and I don't remember him ever playing this song.
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I joined the Cult of the Catholics, Oh when will they return ? |
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Horrible
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 12/21/2004 : 07:07:34
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quote:
Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
The only version I've heard is the one recorded with the Peel. Is there another studio recording floating around anywhere?
How it was left off an album sure beats me.
There's also a version of Living on Soul that was recorded on the Pistolero Demo tape, along with a different version of Billy Radcliff. |
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wilsmyth
- FB Fan -
Canada
17 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2004 : 23:46:23
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This demo could be found... any ideas?
you cant save the preachers daughter |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2004 : 01:50:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Horrible
quote:
Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
The only version I've heard is the one recorded with the Peel. Is there another studio recording floating around anywhere?
How it was left off an album sure beats me.
There's also a version of Living on Soul that was recorded on the Pistolero Demo tape, along with a different version of Billy Radcliff.
please give us the pistolero demo tape
please
it's almost christmas
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Horrible
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 12/22/2004 : 09:37:57
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quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
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Originally posted by Horrible
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Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
The only version I've heard is the one recorded with the Peel. Is there another studio recording floating around anywhere?
How it was left off an album sure beats me.
There's also a version of Living on Soul that was recorded on the Pistolero Demo tape, along with a different version of Billy Radcliff.
please give us the pistolero demo tape
please
it's almost christmas
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!"
Sure, now that yahoo and hotmail have such huge amounts of space I can send those two tunes to you that way. The rest of the album is pretty much the same as the store release. I looked at the FTP deal here and wasn't able to get it to work, but if thats an option I'm open to it.
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2004 : 18:21:05
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Originally posted by billgoodman
don't know about witness
explain your opinion further
I think whole Cult Of Ray is a clue
Hey Bill
I don't know if Witness was left off the album because it didn't suit the tone Cult had. Or maybe it's because it just wasn't good enough for the record, so was left off. Worthy only as a b-side. Not too sure on that one.
It just has the feel of a catholics song to me. Franks singing, his lyrics, the tempo of the song and what's being played, definately the lead.
The Cult songs seem just as "quirky" as Frank had ever been, and has the overall polish of his first solo release, FB. I forget the colour!
The Catholics don't have that sound FB solo had. I think it could be the lead work. Missing those little riffs. Sometimes I think FBs' riffs are just as important as the song itself. They give it a hook. Like Men in Black for one. The Catholics lead can be changed to whatever, it's just lead guitar. Which is what seperates the two groups for me.
I think the Catholics work is brilliant, but over the years has been distancing itself from the power pop riffs that be TOTY, FB and Cult.
I think it may just be due to the recording process and the lead. Maybe not.
(Not blaming Rich G, no way. Just mean songs not lead orientated. all the time)
So.....it took a while, sorry.......Can I Get A Witness to me sounds like a Catholics song. And after Cult of Ray, and much anticipation on my part, the mighty Catholics appeared.
I wondered if anyone else think 'Witness' sounds a little different to FB solo. It was the first little sign to me FB was changing. Once FB and the Cs was released that is.
Brilliant song Living On Soul, Fissionignition. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2004 : 01:20:41
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mmm Village of the Sun sounds like that too
so is the Last Stand of Shazeb Anleeb
yes
I hear you frank black conspiracy!
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2004 : 01:22:22
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Originally posted by Horrible
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Originally posted by billgoodman
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Originally posted by Horrible
quote:
Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
The only version I've heard is the one recorded with the Peel. Is there another studio recording floating around anywhere?
How it was left off an album sure beats me.
There's also a version of Living on Soul that was recorded on the Pistolero Demo tape, along with a different version of Billy Radcliff.
please give us the pistolero demo tape
please
it's almost christmas
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!"
Sure, now that yahoo and hotmail have such huge amounts of space I can send those two tunes to you that way. The rest of the album is pretty much the same as the store release. I looked at the FTP deal here and wasn't able to get it to work, but if thats an option I'm open to it.
e-mail to: yop.euwijk@gmail.com
it has lots of freespace
give me all the songs you want to send
I'm greedy
it's almost christmas
thanks in advance
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2004 : 01:47:50
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quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
mmm Village of the Sun sounds like that too
so is the Last Stand of Shazeb Anleeb
yes
I hear you frank black conspiracy!
Yep, you're right. Village of the Sun for sure. And Last Stand always kinda reminded me of 'Everytime I Go Round' off FB, slowed down epic.
But I can see why Cult itself has more than one clue about the catholics. Nice one BillGoodman. The eyes, they open wider. |
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
394 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2004 : 02:35:08
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Village of the sun is one of my all time favorites! But, is it possible to send the pistelero demo to me too? Please. Bitte. Kom igjen'a. When did that one start to circulate? I downloaded a couple of these demo-takes on soulseek a couple of weeks ago, i think it also included I want rock'n roll - which sounded as the same take as the one on the album, but with a countdown. Anyway, maybe we could do a little swapping and complete our collections (i still miss a song or two from the peel sessions with living on soul....). I've got most of the other stuff if you need any. gmail is a lot easier than soulseek.
ivandivel@gmail.com
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2004 : 03:11:21
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Originally posted by Horrible
quote:
Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
The only version I've heard is the one recorded with the Peel. Is there another studio recording floating around anywhere?
There's also a version of Living on Soul that was recorded on the Pistolero Demo tape, along with a different version of Billy Radcliff.
Now that yahoo and hotmail have such huge amounts of space I can send those two tunes to you that way.
Please?
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Edited by - frank black conspiracy on 12/23/2004 03:12:42 |
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Horrible
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 12/23/2004 : 07:02:02
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I just emailed them out to the addresses above, leme know if you have any problems receiving them.
Enjoy the tunes. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2004 : 11:50:58
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thanks horrible
I'm gonna listen to it now
never heard of the existence of these recordings
thanks!
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
394 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2004 : 15:58:06
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| Very very cool, thanks. I will try to listen to them tomorrow, and i could add i want rock'n roll too. Where did you get these takes? |
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
394 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2004 : 16:02:09
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| Wait - sorry - i actually read your mail now - forget the above post. Again - thanks a lot! |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2004 : 19:10:00
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thanyou Horrible if i'm one of the few mailed. Haven't checked yet.
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Originally posted by billgoodman
mmm Village of the Sun sounds like that too
Livin On Soul was on the All My Ghosts single, yeah. First catholic album after Cult. I wonder if it was written around the time of Witness and Village.
I'm just thinking to myself what a brilliant mini EP that would make, Post-Solo/Pre-Catholic:
Livin On Soul
Every body Got The Beat
Village of the Sun
Baby, That's Art
Can I Get A Witness
just thinking. |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2004 : 03:25:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Horrible
I just emailed them out to the addresses above, leme know if you have any problems receiving them.
Enjoy the tunes.
Just checked my mail and downloaded. Thankyou again!
It's a killer song however recorded, don't ya think? Love it. |
Edited by - frank black conspiracy on 12/24/2004 03:26:33 |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2004 : 05:10:19
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Fast Billy Radcliffe version
Higher sung by Frank
a bit more 'emotion' in his vioce
but that could also be the fact that he has
to give everything to reach the high notes
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2004 : 05:18:37
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and Living on Soul is just Living on Soul
one of the best songs in his catalog
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Posted - 12/24/2004 : 05:21:23
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I would love to listen to that!
Who's the kind enough to send it to me? You know it's Christmas...
i've never done good things
i've never done bad things
i never did anything out of the blue
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2004 : 05:27:55
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email rita
or post you mail adress here
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Posted - 12/24/2004 : 05:35:09
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Email sent Bill, thank you very much!
i've never done good things
i've never done bad things
i never did anything out of the blue
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 05:48:36
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quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
well if you look at my first post
there may be some clues
All my ghost-single
Just had 'All My Ghosts' delivered through my door today.
I'm really lovin' the Livin', but miss Richs' lead guitar effect that's on the Peel version. Still, it's one of my all time Frank faves. Thanks for the tip off bill.
And don't you think 'Changing of the Guards' sounds remarkably like the version they did for John Peel. Uncanny. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 06:24:58
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it's a nice single 'conspiracy' (real name?)
I too think that the chaning of the guards sound very much a like
as for rich lead guitar on livin', since I knew the lyle workman-version first I am more attached to that one
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 12:56:33
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W'oh. another version there Bill? With Lyle? Wow!
I thought I was a fan and in my own little world Franks number one, but being here I learn something new everyday.
(conspiracy, no not real. but would be cool if was. quite original and never in the Top 20 Names of the Year poll) |
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