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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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 Posted - 04/16/2004 : 06:50:54
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Originally posted by makers888
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Originally posted by The Calistanian
David Lovering says they will not play "The Happening" or "Motorway to Roswell" at all.
They only played 2 each of Trompe le Monde and Bossanova at Winnipeg, but you can also look at it as a 100% increase from the Minneapolis tally.
I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb.
Is there any reason? Did he say they would never play these songs ever again or just not during the warm up tour? I'd really be sad if they never played either of these songs again. Two of my all time favorite. But anyways, to keep my post in tact with the thread. They could have played anything, botched the show, and hit on my sister and I still would've loved it as much as I did..
"This is for the shits for the birds. This is for the birds."
When I asked him about Trompe le Monde, he said they play "Head On", "Planet of Sound", "U-Mass", and "Subbacultcha". Then what was cool is he asked: "What else is on that album again?" So that made me realize he probably hasn't listened to the album in like 10 years.
I brought up "Motorway to Roswell" and it sounded like not a chance. Then I brought up "The Happening", my favorite, and sounded like not a chance with that either.
I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6183 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2004 : 14:08:49
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mmmm, I want more bossanova and trompe le monde!
(I feel like a spoiled kid)
 "I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2004 : 18:39:54
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I found that the songs they selected (I saw them in Minneapolis and Winnipeg) did an excellent job of showing off their fun side and allowed them to just have a good time, which they did. Yeah, they were rough in a few spots, but that's exactly what the warm up tour is for. They're working out the kinks. And there were MASSIVE improvements from the first night to the second. Joey was quite nervous the first night but was much more relaxed the second night. Kim had her share of screw ups, but was improving all along. They could rehearse all they wanted to, but they weren't going to get better for an audience until they played in front of one. And that's exactly what they're doing. And just imagine how nervous they were that first night. Every last person in that club was expecting something, and not all the same thing. A lot of people were going to judge the hell out of them. I may critique a bit, but when it comes down to it it was amazing, and I'm looking forward to seeing them again after they've been at it for a while.
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
693 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2004 : 23:39:16
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| Start the petition, Logan. I think a lot of people would sign it. Me first! |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6183 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 06:34:23
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alec eiffel, moterway, trompe, allison, dig for fire, hangwire, rock music and the happening.
Ï want to have these
"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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kromkamp
= Cult of Ray =
291 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 07:43:43
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Aye, picking one song for now would be the best strategy.
It seems to me the one song most people are asking for is Motorway, so why dont we choose that one? |
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jackanapes
- FB Fan -
237 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 15:33:46
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| mmmmmmm. Theremin. |
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sloy
- FB Fan -
France
93 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 16:13:34
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I would like to have "all over the world"but I think I can put this song in the ass;
my opinion:first the tour is do for the money =they don't pay another men to do some keyboard
two:this man say I do keyboard and it's free it's the same because surfer rosa and doolittle is the more "sucess"albums ,bossanova and trompe are great but remenber that's it's a commercial tour and they play what the public know.The public is not the fan ,we are the fan and we want rare tracks,tracks never played...normal;For most of the people the pixies"style" is surfer and doolittle and they play what the people want to heard.
But now it's the debut I can't judge ,I think that Frank is a perfect musician maybe they need to put the "pixies machine" on road slowly maybe with the time they will have more confiance,power,friendship,alchimy...do some jam = a new song .Let's the time do his work and let s the pixies to show that they are the best
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The Passion Of El Diablo
= Cult of Ray =
258 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 16:55:49
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| We can all agree that we need more from BOSSA and TROMPE. LoganZ actually made some nice points that I need not repeat here. One other point I'd like to stress is that, while I believe TROMPE is their best work, I can see why simple fans could be confused into thinking it isn't. But there should be absolutely no question that BOSSA is one of their top two albums on anyone's list. More refined fans probably will have TROMPE and BOSSA in the top two. Stupid fans who have SURFER or DO LITTLE at the top should still have BOSSA in second. |
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sloy
- FB Fan -
France
93 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 17:12:35
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there's no stupid pixies fan,there's some people who don't have the same opinion as you.
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makers888
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 04/18/2004 : 18:13:28
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Are you guys fucking retarded. You're actually thinking about signing a petition requesting the Pixies play more Bossanova and Trompe songs? I'm so sick of people like you. I thought the Pixies fan base was different from the Nirvana fan base, but, you're all the same, you find something else to bitch about. You fuckers should be fortunate that you get to see the ORIGINAL Pixies live today. It's a god damn blessing. But now you're let down because they're not playing your fantasy setlist. Boo hoo! They can play whatever the fuck they want and I'd be there to support them. Seriously, they could cover G'N'R and I'd be there(well, maybe that's a little too extreme). But, you get my point. Personally, I think the band might not be comfortable or ready for Bossanova or Trompe songs. There could be dozens of reasons why they chose to play the songs they did in Minneapolis, Winnipeg, Regina, Saskatoon, and many shows to come. Maybe they're trying to promote the new greatest hits album or DVD.? Maybe they enjoy playing these songs over the others.? I could go on and on with maybe's but I'll take whatever they give me. Don't get me wrong, I'm definately listening to Trompe and Bossanova way over the others. And out of the 35+ bootlegs I have, I concentrate way more on listening to the 91'-92' shows. There's no one in the world who is more excited than me when a new 91'-92' show has surfaced in the trading world. I think in time we'll eventually hear the Boss/Trompe songs. Just take in what you can and enjoy..
"This is for the shits for the birds. This is for the birds." |
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
693 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 22:24:31
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| And I'm so sick of people like you. Telling other people how they should think. You are so indie elite cuz you have so many bootlegs and you like the Pixies more than Nirvana (like most people here). Congrats. |
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
693 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 22:25:16
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| Motorway, Letter to Memphis, or any other song would be great. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6183 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 00:23:20
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wtf, I don't know but before this whole pixies booha we could discuss frank's music on the forum, we could say things like:,,Wow, tonight's show was perfect but I wish he had played more of the Cult of Ray era and I missed Headache.''
Everybody knows we are always happy to see frank (or in this case the pixies), and that we shouldn't bitch about him/them because we should be content to see him/them in the first place. But it's their job, we are the customers, we can somehow say what we want to hear. We don't have to send petitions, let frank play want he wants to play, but why can't you bitch about setlists on the forum? Where are there forums around? Just to say:,,Man, this is great, that was even better.'' We can discuss what we want to discuss as long we keep respect for everybody on the forum (that means not saying other fans are stupid).
Personally I'm a big fan of the last 2 albums and I would like to have more of that material. I just go to a forum to see if there are other people who feel the same way.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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solace
= Cult of Ray =
USA
278 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 00:53:21
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Originally posted by The Passion Of El Diablo
We can all agree that we need more from BOSSA and TROMPE. LoganZ actually made some nice points that I need not repeat here. One other point I'd like to stress is that, while I believe TROMPE is their best work, I can see why simple fans could be confused into thinking it isn't. But there should be absolutely no question that BOSSA is one of their top two albums on anyone's list. More refined fans probably will have TROMPE and BOSSA in the top two. Stupid fans who have SURFER or DO LITTLE at the top should still have BOSSA in second.
i guess i'm a "stupid" fan then, because Doolittle & Surfer are my 1 & 2, with Bossa a VERY close 3rd, and Trompe not too far behind in 4th
i've been a fan since 1989/90 or so, but i dunno, i've just always preferred those in that order. cool that some fans prefer the latter 2, but i just could not honestly say that, w/o lying.
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makers888
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2004 : 05:14:21
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I haven't the time to reply to some of the other posts that replied to mine. But, I'll take the time to reply to the only one worthy of replying to(LoganZs). I totally agree with what you had to say in your post. And I'm glad to see there's somebody who replied to my post who really had something to say other than slam me and make assumptions. Maybe I'll try again later to get my point across..
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Originally posted by LoganZ
Makers888 makes a good point. We don't want to come off as being ungrateful or deragatory, because I doubt that any of us are. I know I sure ain't. In this mindset, the word "petition" - the idea of SENDING A PETITION - sounds a little harsh.
But let's not forget that these are the albums that critics near-unanimously slammed and panned. The Pixies (especially Black) took a lot of criticism for the lyrics or the loss of rawness or whatever else was claimed. Two albums and two years that they no doubt worked very hard at and put themselves into - even when it wasn't very fun and people were starting to tear them down. "Popular wisdom" continues to this day that the band lost it after _Doolittle_, enough so that the band apparently now believes it. I think nigh everyone in this thread knows this to not be true.
So I think a "petition" from core-fans saying that they truly WANT to hear those songs would be a great compliment. Perhaps a GREATLY needed one. Even if they didn't do a thing about it on this tour, it may go a long way towards changing the band's current perception about the quality and attitude towards those albums by the fans and themselves.
It's not about being a fan of particular albums, it's about being a fan of music with the name Pixies on the cover. To my mind, there are not three, but FIVE solid albums that carry that brand with the highest standard.
The conundrum is that one of those two being neglected IS my favorite.
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 06:24:34
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| Hey. maybe they're just trying to leave room to keep things fresh for the next time they come around in Oct/Nov... |
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
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Posted - 04/19/2004 : 06:49:11
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They didn't have the time to rehearse all the songs from all the albums. I'm sure they started rehearsing with the first three albums and are still sorting out the songs on the road. Once they are happy with those they'll start playing some of the later stuff as well. Just remember this is a "warm up tour", give them some time to settle. Why complain about what they're playing, just be grateful that they are playing together at all.
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Levitated
= Cult of Ray =
Chile
652 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 06:51:04
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| Cecilia Ann, Rock Music, Ana, All Over The World, Dig For Fire, Trompe Le Monde, Palace of The Brine, Letter to Memphis, Motorway to Roswell are my choices :) And relax people remember that it's just a warm-up tour. Let's enjoy the moment. |
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
693 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 18:18:39
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| Sorry for snapping back at you, Makers. I think the alcohol in my bloodstream had something to do with you getting under my skin so much. After actually reading your post, I agree with you that we should be grateful to see them all together and leave it at that. It's definitely a privilege I thought I'd never have. I guess it's greedy, but there's so much good stuff on the last 2 albums that it's hard not to talk about it. I'm not complaining though, because they put on a great show in Minneapolis and if they only play their early stuff again in the fall U.S. tour, I'm sure it'll still be an awesome experience. |
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makers888
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2004 : 19:58:46
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Wow! Nice turnaround guys(and gals I suppose). Maybe I will continue to read these forums. I guess I apologize as well for coming off a little harsh. It was just building up too much for me and I guess I had to post something about it. I'd love to write on but I really haven't the time..
"This is for the shits for the birds. This is for the birds." |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 21:20:58
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A couple things.
One, FB did say that The Happening and Wave o Mutilation were his two favorites, but that was back in 91. He also has said Bossa is his favorite album, but that was back 'round 96.
But they seem well aware that the first 3 albums are universally loved, while the second two weren't (but maybe they don't realize that they now are, and have aged very well with fans and critics).
Also, Trompe was more of a FB/Gil Norton album, and probably wasn't the best time for the band, could be some uncomfortable memories coming from that era. |
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The Passion Of El Diablo
= Cult of Ray =
258 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 21:24:37
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| I think that Black Francis's first album released under the pseudonym Frank Black is really the last Pixies album, and -- accordingly -- I think that the Pixies should play "Adda Lee", "Ten Percenter", and "Places Named After Numbers" on their current tour. |
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kromkamp
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/19/2004 : 21:49:16
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Here's the glass half full perspective: They've played nearly every single song off the first 3 albums already, therefore any new songs are almost guaranteed to be off the last 2 albums 
Of course, if they end up playing Silver first, theres no hope.... |
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stephensolo
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Posted - 04/20/2004 : 08:14:02
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| i know that some of the songs from Trompe Le Monde and bossanova are de-tuned on the guitars, which makes them more likely to be shelved. it's pain having extra guitars on stage. |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/20/2004 : 10:29:23
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I read an article that said something to the affect that Trompe was "the beginning of Frank Black's solo career..."
With that in mind, along with the intricate, lush, pop-like nature of most of the album I can understand why they're not playing most of it.
Bossa too - some serious sound quality on those albums.
For one, alot of the stuff might have been hard for the other members to swallow...the whole period probably reminds them of some bad feelings. Can you imagine being a little punk-rock band and playing in this huige arenas? Wonder what PJ Harvey felt in 2000...
Secondarily, the instrumentation - the other stuff on that album was done by extras - non members.
Nirvana with Pat Smear was cool, but still seemed a little "GNR-ish".
Trompe was a piece of art. Ever seen "The Song Remains The Same"?
How different was Zep live in comparison to what the albums sounded like? Answer: very. Pixies, Like Zep, are not a pop band - they're a raw rock band.
I speculate (emphasis here on speculate) that they want to deliver "Pixies" - pure and simple - and are pulling material from the catalog that reflects "Pixies" in its purest form - 2 guitars, bass, drums and two (maybe 3) vocals.
I think they're trying to give you what you would have gotten just prior to (or during) the ZooTV tour - a good, happy, strong band with great songs. I don't think they want to pollute it with a bunch of grandiose production and extra people - just good old Pixies rock.
Congratulations on getting to see the shows you lucky bastards.
Now quitcher bitchin and rock!!!
My .02
-Clark
Morehead, Ky
Too many miles and several hundred dollars away from any possibilty of ever seeing them... |
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
693 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 11:39:46
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| They already have extra guitars for different songs, so I don't see that as being a problem. I guess they're probably not ready for whatever reason to play all the later work. We'll take what we can get, though. I'm grateful Frank!!!!! I am! |
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The Passion Of El Diablo
= Cult of Ray =
258 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 14:51:10
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| If you just read the posts on this thread, then you non-guitar-playing personalities might think that tuning a guitar requires a degree in astro-physics. It doesn't. |
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 15:09:24
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| I saw them in Davenport, IA in 1992. They played equally from the four albums (if you count Surfer Rosa and Come On Pilgrim as one album). I don't think the technical hurdles are too significant. |
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sloy
- FB Fan -
France
93 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2004 : 04:32:39
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they played 15 shows(?)and no more trompe or bossanova song maybe now it's the second part of the tour and they will do the opposite ,all trompe ...and one or two of surfer(i dont think... but I think they will play "news"songs for the europe tour
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sloy
- FB Fan -
France
93 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2004 : 09:59:27
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OK my vote is
01 brick is red
02 all over the world
03 ana
04 space(i believe)
05 hang wire
06 alec eiffel
07 allison
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luiz4ad@maninblack
- FB Fan -
Brazil
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 10:10:41
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| Frank Black prefer Trompe le Monde, but both are fantastics! |
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first live:where is bossanova and trompe le monde
