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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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 Posted - 04/12/2004 : 16:37:03
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It's the younger guys that have more to worry about. It seems that those who turn 20 the year they issue a draft are the first to go...then everybody after that. The further I get away from 20, the better. There wouldn't be one until after the election...maybe even some time...2005, 2006. I wonder what the rules are regarding my eligibility once I move to the UK. This is scary shit. It's still just a remote possibility. Those figures about increased spending are a little frightening, though.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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darkoutsider
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2004 : 18:07:48
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No... stop saying the "D" word. I was thinking that word when I heard we were going to declare war on Iraq. I just had this feeling that history is repeating it's self and that the young people of America will have to suffer again because some idiot in charge can't do his job right. If it came to the draft or prison, and seeing how Canada is out of the question, I'd choose prison. I have too much to live for and I'd rather spend time in prison alive then in Iraq dead. I'm not much of a fighter either, I'm an artist damn it!! I'm more of a lover then a fighter. I can't stand battle, I hate my president, and I'm a bit of a panicer. If things started to go wrong over there, with me there, I'd probably do myself in before they could.
The thought of The Draft gives me nightmares for five days. If they reinstate the draft I will lose all faith in this country and leave, after getting out of prison. I'd say if your drafted and you don't want to go don't go. Because I know there are plenty of people that don't want any part of this war. What's Bush going to do, inprison thousands of people that's just straight looney. No one has to fight if they don't want to. And believe me we'd have a lot of support from around the world if we were to unite and say no we won't fight in your war. Not to many people of fond of this battle for OIL. I can go into that but I won't. I'll just leave it at, don't go if you don't want to let Bush go he missed the opportunity the first time around.
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bumblebeeboy2
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Posted - 04/13/2004 : 04:16:19
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i remember people talking about this when america went to iraq... i don't think it'd happen, not really. would be scary. you wonder what it would be like, i mean it was only a few generations ago when we had the two big ones... i can't imagine getting called up!
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gk128
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Posted - 04/13/2004 : 04:57:07
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Bush got us into this mess, and he plans to stay in it. I really think there will be a draft in 2005. I'll be turning 18 in December, and I'd be a prime choice to go. Seeing as I'm 18, and my brother has done a great job in the Army's inteligance department.
However due to health issues I'm exempt. I'd still not like to see this draft happen though.
Yes, it's too late to pull out all a once, but why do we have to put more people over there? Infact we never should have went in the first place.
Bush is talking about taking down terrorism, but he fails to see he's currently the biggest terrorist on the face of the Earth. Invading Iraq, a country which had nothing to do with any recent American terrorism, if any at all. Invading them and getting support by lying to the American people. That my friends is terrorism.
A vote for Bush is a vote for terrorism.
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BLT
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punji
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Posted - 04/13/2004 : 17:35:06
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ugh...the very though of being drafted makes me shiver. being a pacifist i would refuse to go but i have had talks with my teacher who served in vietnam war. the people who refused to do military work would get assigned horrific jobs such as body bag stuffer. man, now i am bring myself down.
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gk128
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Posted - 04/13/2004 : 17:51:31
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Originally posted by punji
the people who refused to do military work would get assigned horrific jobs such as body bag stuffer.
I could do that. Nothing worse than what an EMT sees.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 04/13/2004 : 17:56:16
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 The president gave his clearest indication yet that he will increase the U.S. troop level in Iraq from the current 135,000, rather than decrease it to 115,000 as had been planned. He said Army Gen. John P. Abizaid, who is overseeing Iraq operations, "is clearly indicating that he may want more troops. It's coming up through the chain of command. And if that's what he wants, that's what he gets." (Washington Post)
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2004 : 17:58:23
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Heh. I call bullshit on that article...I'm forced to look into such accusations deeper.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 04/13/2004 : 18:41:17
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Originally posted by El Barto
Heh. I call bullshit on that article...I'm forced to look into such accusations deeper.
Let me know what you find. I hope it's not true, but my cynicism is starting to rear its head. |
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Newo
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Spain
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Posted - 04/14/2004 : 06:41:36
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In his memoirs the physicist Richard Feynman recommended for getting flunked out of the draft sitting and answering all the questions politely and sanely as you could, all the while picking imaginary dirt from your fingernails.
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er, ok, that could work..i guess...maybe? not...
Sounds a little bit dodgy I know, but spoze we're talking about the definition of sanity according to some who wish us to fly thousands of miles to kill people we've never met.
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Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 04/14/2004 : 22:30:11
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Sounds a little bit dodgy I know, but spoze we're talking about the definition of sanity according to some who wish us to fly thousands of miles to kill people we've never met.
Yes, but if you don't want to do that, then you're obviously not crazy. Just remember what Joseph Heller said.
On a much more serious note, I've always been terrified of being drafted. Since I'm 26 now, and will turn 27 shortly after the election, I don't think there's much chance of it happening. Sure, they could raise the age (I'm pretty sure it was higher back in the Korean War era), but I don't know that the chances of that are very high. Not worrying about it because it wouldn't affect me, personally, would be quite selfish, though. I really don't think anyone should be forced to fight in wars. I'm really anti-war in general. There might be some situations in which I couldn't really think of an option other than using force, but then it isn't my job to think of other options. That's what the government should be doing, instead of just throwing bombs and troops at everything that bothers them. It really shows a blatant disregard for the lives of the people they're supposed to be working for, not to mention the lives of the people on the other side.
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glacial906
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Posted - 04/14/2004 : 23:53:31
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I have been thinking alot about this topic in particular all day today and yesterday. In one regard, I wish that I had not read it, and then I would be blissfully ignorant of it. But, if it happens it is better that I should know. I am turning 25 in August. I am really nervous about the fact that I've read that the age for draftees is 18-25. I don't understand why they can't just come out and say it, if they're going to start the draft again.
This is from the Selective Service System, and it's dated from March of this year:
Notwithstanding recent stories in the news media and on the Internet, Selective Service is not getting ready to conduct a draft for the U.S. Armed Forces -- either with a special skills or regular draft. Rather, the Agency remains prepared to manage a draft if and when the President and the Congress so direct. This responsibility has been ongoing since 1980 and is nothing new. Further, both the President and the Secretary of Defense have stated on more than one occasion that there is no need for a draft for the War on Terrorism or any likely contingency, such as Iraq. Additionally, the Congress has not acted on any proposed legislation to reinstate a draft. Therefore, Selective Service continues to refine its plans to be prepared as is required by law, and to register young men who are ages 18 through 25. (http://www.sss.gov/)
I hope that it's strue, it's from the Selective Service System. I would assume it's true, but I've seen so many articles both ways, and I don't know why there's such a huge discrepancy. It's almost as if exactly half of the people who talk about it say it will happen and half of them say it won't. I hope that if they do reinstate a draft, I'm 26 by the time it comes around. I know that sounds like a pussy thing to say; I will go if they do call on me to. But I just hope to God I don't have to. I found out about five or six days ago that I am going to have another kid. In my mind, I think, "Man, I've got to be here for my two children. I've got to better myself and my lot in life for their sake, at least." But, I know that there are plenty of fathers over in Iraq, who had to leave their children, their wives, their jobs, their dreams and aspirations.
What I don't understand is this: I could, in a way, see the necessity for more American soldiers if the U.S. just admitted it was going to remain in Iraq for the oil supply. Why else all the contractors and high-paying job openings for petroleum geologists? (If we were an imperialist country we wouldn't put on airs about "liberating" it and the like, we'd just go in there, subdue the Iraqis, and take what we wanted.) I'm not saying this is a good thing at all, but it is truly puzzling. There is a date, June 20th, I think, that there is supposed to be an "official" ceremony to hand the sovreignity and the "reigns of power" back to the Iraqis, to be overseen by the democratic Iraqi government the U.S. set up. Why do they need more troops? Why not just pull everyone out, and say, "okay, there, Saddam has been ousted, which was *allegedly* our main goal, so let's go home." Can you imagine what would happen if someone like Saddam returned to power in a few years, toppled the democratic government and ruled the nation like Saddam had? Would we be back over there in a second, to protect our vested interests? (namely, oil?) I sure as hell don't feel like dying for some lowered gas prices here in the U.S.
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Newo
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 01:23:05
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Roosevelt declared the US bankrupt in 1933 (check Lib of Congress records if you like), which pretty much means most of the rest of the world has been in hock for oh quite a while and most governments have the same ontological status as Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy and the nations that have been owned by the banks are being used against each other like sets of golf clubs - white people are less keen to kill white people but make them afraid enough and they'll kill brown people and viceversa.
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Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 02:00:58
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I'm afraid the Spectator article linked to by BLT is right on the money - but it's worth remembering that pretty much any of the other democrat contenders (save Kucinich perhaps) would deliver the same thing...Clinton was no dove - do not let popular mythology obscure your view of history. The only thing that will save the U.S from the idiocy that is permanent militarism is the behaviour of its people.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 02:13:34
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The only thing that will save the U.S from the idiocy that is permanent militarism is the behaviour of it's people.
Same goes for Europeans, Scarla O, given the current rate of military buildup by the unelected in Brussels in your name and mine.
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"You one of those right-wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 02:15:48
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Honestly, I don't think I, personally, would be much of an asset to the military. I'm a total wimp, and I'm not good with authority.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 03:02:54
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Yeah the whole homicidal imbecile deal isn't my thing either, but I do remember in school some guidance counsellors pointing towards recruitment ads in the Irish Times and me giving it consideration for an afternoon so I guess I can (or could at some point) understand how someone who's feeling rudderless or doesn't really know what to do with their life might want to make the decision to hand over their decision-making process for the rest of their career.
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Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 03:40:26
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Originally posted by Newo
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The only thing that will save the U.S from the idiocy that is permanent militarism is the behaviour of it's people.
Same goes for Europeans, Scarla O, given the current rate of military buildup by the unelected in Brussels in your name and mine.
Absolutely Newo.
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 08:41:33
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What is even worse than a draft is the use of private security forces to do the job. This is quite disturbing.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 08:50:27
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Originally posted by Scarla O
Clinton was no dove
Yes. People tend to forget that CLINTON BOMBED IRAQ. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 09:04:23
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And Sudan and Bosnia. That said, even the ones with humanitiarian/diplomatic reputations seem to have committed acts resulting in massive loss of life. For example, ask a Nicaraguan or a Haitian what they think of Jimmy Carter.
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"You one of those right-wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 09:12:13
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Originally posted by Newo
And Sudan and Bosnia. That said, even the ones with humanitiarian/diplomatic reputations seem to have committed acts resulting in massive loss of life. For example, ask a Nicaraguan or a Haitian what they think of Jimmy Carter.
Yes this is true - every single president of the USA following the second world war has either explicitly or implicitly followed the same interventionist foreign policy.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 04/23/2004 : 13:06:04
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Here's another interesting tidbit...well, maybe more than a mere tidbit. Some of you kids might find it interesting that it was two Democrats who started the effort to reinstate the draft:
http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/press/2003127851.html
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2004 : 14:38:04
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It's great to be 29.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/23/2004 : 14:52:54
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Don't old people feel drafts more???
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2004 : 16:49:20
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Don't old people feel drafts more???
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
Yes, that's why I've knit myself a nice afghan.
Afghan-1: a blanket knitted or crocheted in strips or squares; sometimes used as a shawl by old fuckers.
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klikger
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Posted - 04/23/2004 : 23:26:03
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| Yo soy almost 25, and a college student. If I were still drafted, I would leave the country. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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The King Of Karaoke
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 13:49:50
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Here's Kerry's platform on the war in Iraq: http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/iraq/index.html
It looks like that article BLT posted may be true after all. I guess the only solution is to vote Nader.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 14:53:51
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| At least Kerry has a good record on environmental issues. Even if we're hellbent on destroying Iraq, maybe we can preserve some of our own continent. |
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 15:11:11
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I heard Kerry recycled a piece of paper last week and didn't flush the toilet after a dump to save water.
Join the Cult of ... to be continued |
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 15:27:43
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So at work today this one guy says to the other: "Have you been at work all day? So you haven't seen any of the draft?"
It scared the shite outta me but it turns out the NFL had its draft today. Freaking football fans scaring me!
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Americans 18 - 34(EDIT) do you feel a DRAFT?
