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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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 Posted - 04/07/2004 : 14:21:26
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Thank's to the Neo Cons, you may be very shortly.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htm
Search "selective service" on the home page of my crappy website and watch what pop's up. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2004 : 14:40:45
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I can't imagine that you'd actually ever see them reinstate drafting... at least not around election time. :)
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/07/2004 : 14:49:28
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I sincerely hope, for all your sakes, that they don't.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2004 : 15:22:57
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Soldiers aren't re-upping anymore. Others are breaking down or killing themselves. They're finding out the hard way that they're being shafted.
Check these sites for some interesting info:
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/
http://www.vaiw.org/
Not all veterans appreciate GWB, especially since he hasn't attended even one memorial service for a fallen soldier. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2004 : 17:21:03
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I can't imagine that you'd actually ever see them reinstate drafting... at least not around election time. :)
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"
No, I see this after the elections. If Bush gets relected I'd bet on it. Maybe even if Kerry get's in, just to fix the mess. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2004 : 17:36:58
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Hmm, Canada doesn't sound so bad afterall.
 Join the Devil's Workshop / Looking for idle hands to work second shift |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2004 : 17:41:41
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Fortunately I won't be 18 for another 2 years so I don't have to worry about it. If I ever do get drafted once I'm 18, I'll for sure move to Canada or some other country (if I haven't already). There's no way in Hell I would ever go off to war; for one reason, I would never risk my life for the USA, and for another, I would never kill a person under the circumstances of war (or any circumstances except maybe self-defense).
ˇViva los Católicos! |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2004 : 21:06:32
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One of my biggest fears all my life for some crazy reason was the possibility of there being a draft. When this whole Iraq shit started I was freaked...I was reassured that a draft was probably very very unlikely. My mom called me the other day when she got something in the mail addressed to me from the US Government...after she left me a message she realized it was my passport. Her fear rekindled my fear. A draft seems more and more likely the longer this shit seems to drag out and the more US troops seem to be killed. At the same time, yeah, it's election year, so it wouldn't happen till after election. At that point, if Bush is reelected, it seems somewhat likely. I'm scared out of my fucking skull. I'll do everything in my power to get out of it. I thought about seriously chopping off a toe or 2.
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2004 : 21:16:50
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Is there any way to get out of a draft without leaving the country?
ˇViva los Católicos! |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2004 : 21:39:11
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2004 : 22:39:55
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2004 : 23:01:31
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quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I can't imagine that you'd actually ever see them reinstate drafting... at least not around election time. :)
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"
No, I see this after the elections. If Bush gets relected I'd bet on it. Maybe even if Kerry get's in, just to fix the mess.
I thought Kerry would pull our troops out? From what I've seen of him on the news (which is addmittedly not much) he sounds very anti-war. What would "fixing the mess" entail? Why can't all those guys just be sent home?
BTW, I turn 25 this august, I hope I'm in the clear if they ever do reinstate it!
Take me, break me, tell me a good one and maybe I'll cry
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
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Posted - 04/08/2004 : 03:14:03
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OH my god. Dont say shit like that.
Jim-I have exactlythe same fear - but obv regarding the relevant man in my life at the time...
That would be just our luck - you getting drafted.
Boys go to Jupiter, Get more stupider,
Girls go to Mars, Become rock stars
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2004 : 04:54:32
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In his memoirs the physicist Richard Feynman recommended for getting flunked out of the draft sitting and answering all the questions politely and sanely as you could, all the while picking imaginary dirt from your fingernails.
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"You one of those right-wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
3575 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2004 : 04:56:05
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er, ok, that could work..i guess...maybe? not...
Boys go to Jupiter, Get more stupider,
Girls go to Mars, Become rock stars
Wanna fuck and fight in the basement? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2004 : 07:36:22
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Originally posted by glacial906
I thought Kerry would pull our troops out? From what I've seen of him on the news (which is addmittedly not much) he sounds very anti-war. What would "fixing the mess" entail? Why can't all those guys just be sent home?
I was against the war from the get go, but I think it would be a huge mistake for the US to pull out because the going got rough. We've got troops there for the rebuilding, as do many other countries, but who are we kidding, nobody so much as the US. They are law and order and about all that's preventing Iraq from descending into anarchy at the moment. And as the perpetuators of the war, I'd say it's America's duty to see to it that conditions ARE improved over there now that they've instituted a revolution.
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2004 : 09:48:54
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I don't understand why there would be a draft within the next couple years. It's not like the US is in great need of troops, are they? How many have been killed in this war? 1000?
Maybe I don't understand the point of a draft. Well, I have 3.5 years til I turn 25... dang...
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2004 : 10:29:40
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Originally posted by ProverbialCereal
I don't understand why there would be a draft within the next couple years. It's not like the US is in great need of troops, are they? How many have been killed in this war? 1000?
Yeah, but the other guys are finishing their terms and not returning. And you've got to think that guys who were planning on joining after high school are now considering a different career path. C'mon, they've already been sending National Guardsmen over there!
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Nightline/US/national_guard_040321-1.html |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2004 : 11:04:48
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
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Originally posted by glacial906
I thought Kerry would pull our troops out? From what I've seen of him on the news (which is addmittedly not much) he sounds very anti-war. What would "fixing the mess" entail? Why can't all those guys just be sent home?
I was against the war from the get go, but I think it would be a huge mistake for the US to pull out because the going got rough. We've got troops there for the rebuilding, as do many other countries, but who are we kidding, nobody so much as the US. They are law and order and about all that's preventing Iraq from descending into anarchy at the moment. And as the perpetuators of the war, I'd say it's America's duty to see to it that conditions ARE improved over there now that they've instituted a revolution.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"
What are Kerry's plans, exactly? Does he have some sort of goal of gradually removing American troops after trying to set up some sort of democratic government?
Take me, break me, tell me a good one and maybe I'll cry
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2004 : 12:17:11
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I actually haven't heard anything one way or the other about this, I was just sort of making a general comment I guess. I'm sure someone here could probably tell you, though. Sorry.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2004 : 12:26:30
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Originally posted by El Barto
One of my biggest fears all my life for some crazy reason was the possibility of there being a draft. When this whole Iraq shit started I was freaked...I was reassured that a draft was probably very very unlikely. My mom called me the other day when she got something in the mail addressed to me from the US Government...after she left me a message she realized it was my passport. Her fear rekindled my fear. A draft seems more and more likely the longer this shit seems to drag out and the more US troops seem to be killed. At the same time, yeah, it's election year, so it wouldn't happen till after election. At that point, if Bush is reelected, it seems somewhat likely. I'm scared out of my fucking skull. I'll do everything in my power to get out of it. I thought about seriously chopping off a toe or 2.
"Join the Cult of Brit / And let your oral hygiene go out the window."
OK Jim cover me, I'm going in!!!
Jim?................................
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2004 : 16:11:05
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Originally posted by GypsyDeath
OH my god. Dont say shit like that.
Jim-I have exactlythe same fear - but obv regarding the relevant man in my life at the time...
That would be just our luck - you getting drafted.
Boys go to Jupiter, Get more stupider,
Girls go to Mars, Become rock stars
Wanna fuck and fight in the basement?
Gah! *YOU* don't say shit like that! I'm sure there are ways around it...I mean, I don't think they can really force you to go. I'd be a consciencious objector...I'd be living in the UK at the time too, probably. I don't even want to think about it. This really does seem to be just another Vietnam though. We have no business being there and it's just going to be shit piled on shit for years.
My mom made a great point today...these people have been under a tight rule for hundreds of years and now all of the sudden, they're free...what the fuck are you to do at that point? They have no idea, it's total anarchy...you can't just fix this overnight. It's not about fixing the country it's about fixing the minds of the inhabitants. How realistic is that? It's like opening doors to a freakin prison!
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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rockmusic84
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2004 : 17:55:01
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I'll be 20 this year. I think it's funny that you don't have to join the army and there's no draft, but when you're 18, you have to register for selective service. Sounds like a hush hush version of a draft to me. I don't think they'd take me anyway, I have a list of health problems a mile long.
I don't like war, I would never want to go, and I don't agree with Bush's policies or his whole adminisration for that matter. But if my country called me, I'd go. I mean it's that or jail time. America does have a lot of flaws, but it's still one of the greatest countries in the world.
The only thing I could say to you all is if you want to make America (and the world) a better place, vote. Let's get someone in office who will get the job done - the RIGHT way. As far as a draft goes, you're all right in assuming that if there was going to be one, it wouldn't be installed until after the election, so the next president can save face.
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2004 : 19:43:42
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Given the current situation in Iraq, I'd much rather be in jail for 5 years than be over there; if you don't value your life at all, however, going to Iraq might be a good option for you.
Looking at that article and what it says about not being able to go to Canada if you're drafted, I think everybody better move there while they still can.
ˇViva los Católicos! |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2004 : 20:00:14
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America's overcrowded as it is, good idea I say :)
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2004 : 23:57:52
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That's just a bit fucked up, now, isn't it?
Take me, break me, tell me a good one and maybe I'll cry
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 04/10/2004 : 17:02:02
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The draft..... that would be harsh if it happened.
If the draft happens then follow Blackadder Goes Forth by putting two pencils up your nose and wearing a pair of undies on your head.
'I'm the Daddy Now!' - Prison Daddy of Beijing Peoples State Penitentiary |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2004 : 18:53:08
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| My dad had a friend who was able to fail his draft physical by getting his blood pressure and blood sugar sky high. But that was back in the Vietnam days. It probably wouldn't fool them now. |
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John Dark
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USA
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Posted - 04/10/2004 : 21:34:11
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Bush's budget increases spending on military personnel (i.e. specifically the payroll, not just general operating) from $26B in 2003 to $114B by 2008, with the largest jump occuring from '04 to '05 ($37B to $102B). I'm pretty sure that increase isn't just to cover raises for privates and corporals. More likely it's to pay for 1000s of new draftees.
http://w3.access.gpo.gov/usbudget/fy2004/fpaa.html (click on #5 "Defense")
http://w3.access.gpo.gov/usbudget/fy2004/sheets/fpaa_5.xls
Note the curious enormouse increase in the federal budget for military personnel payroll in 2005.
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
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Posted - 04/11/2004 : 07:24:01
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Originally posted by John Dark
Bush's budget increases spending on military personnel (i.e. specifically the payroll, not just general operating) from $26B in 2003 to $114B by 2008, with the largest jump occuring from '04 to '05 ($37B to $102B). I'm pretty sure that increase isn't just to cover raises for privates and corporals. More likely it's to pay for 1000s of new draftees.
http://w3.access.gpo.gov/usbudget/fy2004/fpaa.html (click on #5 "Defense")
http://w3.access.gpo.gov/usbudget/fy2004/sheets/fpaa_5.xls
Note the curious enormouse increase in the federal budget for military personnel payroll in 2005.
Well arent you the voice of joy!?!?
Boys go to Jupiter, Get more stupider,
Girls go to Mars, Become rock stars
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slaveish
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2004 : 22:31:18
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Just read an article regarding enlisted U.S. soldiers fleeing to Canada: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0414/solomon.php
Good thread- might get some people thinking about this and voting.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2004 : 01:43:16
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Originally posted by slaveish
Just read an article regarding enlisted U.S. soldiers fleeing to Canada: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0414/solomon/php.
Good thread- might get some people thinking about this and voting.
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2004 : 08:59:11
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i'd totally be a cosciencous (spelling?) objector - if someone were to look at my life, my career, etc., they would clearly see that war is not something i believe in at all and wouldn't be just hiding behind that so i can stay home. although that is a nice outcome
-brian
- "I joined the Cult of Frank / And they tried to cut off my nuts and make me put on a blue jumpsuit"
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2004 : 16:23:44
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CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION AND ALTERNATIVE SERVICE
http://www.sss.gov/FSconsobj.htm
WHO QUALIFIES?
Beliefs which qualify a registrant for CO status may be religious in nature, but don't have to be. Beliefs may be moral or ethical; however, a man's reasons for not wanting to participate in a war must not be based on politics, expediency, or self-interest. In general, the man's lifestyle prior to making his claim must reflect his current claims.
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I don't think it would be an easy out.
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
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Posted - 04/12/2004 : 16:31:42
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shiot jim, go join some sort of pascifist commune or something...or jsut move over here...like, er now.
Boys go to Jupiter, Get more stupider,
Girls go to Mars, Become rock stars
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Americans 18 - 34(EDIT) do you feel a DRAFT?
