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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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 Posted - 03/03/2004 : 09:12:07
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Am I mistaken in my thinking that the usual difference between the Nazi swastika and the original, is that the former is set at a 45 degree angle? I know this is not always the case, but I believe only the Nazi version does this. www.wikipedia.com has some interesting info (for starters):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
when the branch is connected to the Maltese Cross,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar
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Mad Dawg
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USA
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 09:53:32
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| Thanks for the links apl4eris. Although, it seems many prefer to dwell in a constant state of contempt prior to investigation. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 10:49:31
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I didn't mean my post to be leaning in one way or the other in this discussion. Just a matter of interest, as the topic is intriguing. Your part in the debate so far has not been interesting. As I mentioned, I have read that most Nazi swastikas tilt at 45 degrees, and some of their swastika representations are of the normal, untilted form. This does nothing to further or detract from your position.
In my opinion, it's flippant and clumsy to not immediately address the fact that this symbol is used by and (primarily in the west) associated with "neo-Nazis". Your claim of ignorance of the inherent issues is laughable. In an ideal world, good ideas, and symbols of those ideas, would never be tainted by evil use, but it's naive to pretend people will not have a negative reaction to swastikas, especially when they are sold next to other items that use the SS symbol. Also keep in mind the overall attitude with which you approached this forum - given the context, why should we have given you the benefit of doubt? You honestly pretend to think spamming a forum won't bring on contempt?
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Mad Dawg
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 11:04:17
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apl I said and meant I don't need sales. I sell EVERYTHING I make and there is now a 6 month wait for custom orders. I'm not even taking any untill I start catching up. This forum isn't the only place I've gotten flack for some of the stuff I make. As it is an international forum I wondered what people from around thought about the maltese cross. (Not that their opinions would sway me from making what sells)
I post on another forum too. It is different. Most of the people are musicians and artist that have stuff going on they like to share about. Half the threads have links to stuff they're working on. Very few posers. I'm new to the internet. This was the second forum I posted on. I won't be hanging out here because it seem rather superficial and not reality based.
Jessie James (west coast choppers) is doing incredible marketing his shirts and clothing with HUGE, traditional iron crosses atatched. Must still be lots of Nazis around the world huh?
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interloper
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 11:20:02
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Funny how the majority of bitching (generally speaking, not here) about this kind of stuff comes from white liberals.
Hand held shower nozzles are the demon enemy of the patriarch and should be destroyed. |
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GoddessTheory
= Cult of Ray =
USA
675 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 11:21:53
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Originally posted by interloper
Funny how the majority of bitching (generally speaking, not here) about this kind of stuff comes from white liberals.
Hand held shower nozzles are the demon enemy of the patriarch and should be destroyed.
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 12:38:12
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Originally posted by interloper
Funny how the majority of bitching (generally speaking, not here) about this kind of stuff comes from white liberals.
you wouldn't expect neonazis to protest about swasticas would you?it's normal that liberals protest to the proud exhibition of racist\nazi \you name it crap.i don't think the colour has anything to do with it,free and intelligent thinking is not a white privilege.
 join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 12:53:32
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Originally posted by Mad Dawg
HPM yes the swastika was a Buddhist symbol before Hitler stole it. The Maltese cross is the symbol of the federation of American Firefighters as well as the most patriotic group in America the VFW. (Veterans OF Foriegn Wars). Lots of the war heros returning fro Nam were wearing them too.
As we Americans beat the dog poop out of Hitler,I feel I now own any symbols they may have briefly used/stole. I always crack up that we saved the azzes of the helpless Mommies and Daddies of those that seem so offended and concerned by what others wear. I LOVE being an American.
Mun Chien aren't you sick of talking about me? Lets talk about you. I will bet you haven't and won't do anything noteworthy in your entire life. Right? Look in the mirror. Makes you want to cry huh?
1-YOU didn't save nobody and since the only thing you care about is making money selling nazi paraphernalia chances are that if you lived in the 40's you would be a hitler supporter.
2-the US didn't win WW2 by themselves even if you are too stupid to understand it
3-the french that you dislike so much helped a lot to make the us what is today.without them you would still be an english colony.read a history book.
4-i know that making lame rings is the only job that worths respect .unfortunately i'm only a humble medicin student(i have a couple of exams left) and i can't compete with your superior education but nevertheless i'll try to do my best within my limited possibilities.
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 03/03/2004 : 14:23:36
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Mad Dawg should be an example for all of us. His parents could not afford to send him to a decent school - he started working at an early age. His father used to say "more earning, less learning". He started making Nascar rings for truck drivers, then SS rings for redneck bikers of Indiana. But he was not satisfied with this situation, he longed for something more.
He started his spiritual quest when he discovered oriental mysticism. He understood that this funny cross his father had tattoed on his chest was not only the symbol of that cheesy German with a moustache. It was also a hindu symbol of light and eternity.
Soon after he discovered Zarathustra, and the mystical dualism in one of the most ancient religions of the world. Today, he has become a master of the 13th century gnosis, and Manichean christianism. He is pissed when people don't understand that the mystical rings he makes for Hell's Angels are not related to the nazis but to Jacob Boehme and the Fedeli di Amore gnosis. He is misunderstood.
Keep sharing your science with your friends the bikers, Mad Dawg!
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Mad Dawg
- FB Fan -
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 22:21:21
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Nazis EVERYWHERE!
www.vfw.org
www.iaff.org |
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Mad Dawg
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 00:52:25
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Adnan and Andalusia, bash the firefighters and Vets in the secret nazi links above if you want to make a difference. I am just the little guy. They spread the evils of that cross image to more eyes in a day than I will in a lifetime!!!
If you like I can provide you with MANY more links to racist that use similar crosses as their symbol.
Lucy (Lusia?)You're lucky your in med school over there. I'm pretty sure you couldn't cut it here. Besides thinking backwards you play with the computer too much. You better study. Your Mommy and Daddy will be very upset if they spent all their money and you don't pass. |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 06:28:43
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Originally posted by Mad Dawg
Lucy (Lusia?)You're lucky your in med school over there. I'm pretty sure you couldn't cut it here. Besides thinking backwards you play with the computer too much. You better study. Your Mommy and Daddy will be very upset if they spent all their money and you don't pass.
buahahahahahahahaha......the only thing that is sure is that YOU wouldn't enter a university even if your paid with your hard earned money.too many liberals in there they would never admit their inferiority to a true american genious.not to mention that you keep giving proof that your IQ is a bit lower than the IQ of a boiled egg.keep up with your mind stimulating posts and your redneck arrogance.that's the last reply that you'll get from me.
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
573 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 01:15:16
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[quote]Originally posted by Mad Dawg
If you like I can provide you with MANY more links to racist that use similar crosses as their symbol.
Mad Dawg, why do you know these racist websites? do you use them as inspiration? i though the idea of your orginal post, (apart from to advertise your rings) was to ascertain whether people found them to be offensive. By showing us websites who use the crosses as a racist symbol you are just proving that they do have racist overtones.
Do you want us to think that you are a racist? as it really won't boost your sales, not on this site anyway. |
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Mad Dawg
- FB Fan -
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2004 : 12:36:20
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Gracie did you look at the links? They use crosses like the ones I make as their symbol. I just posted a couple to make my detractors look/feel stupid. I could post DOZENS of similar links to Patriotic Americans that use the same cross featured in much of my jewelry as their symbol.
Nazis EVERYWHERE!
www.vfw.org
www.iaff.org |
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astrology
= Cult of Ray =
Saint Lucia
252 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2004 : 15:10:53
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world will be a safer world the day tha an association of "american veteran of local wars" is set up
the cross is not nazi, the cross was a jewish mode of execution, dont know if they invented it possibly not, looks similar to celtic crosses and it was used by the germans of the hansa.
Americans did not win WW2, Russians bore the heavy weight, and about the french they were in a kind of covert civil war as there was an interest of some extreme-right groups to have a nazi regime
the ring is horrible, someone can get drowned if "it" tries to swim with it
true blue
i joined teh Blue oyster Cult
I 've found no pearl
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 03/10/2004 : 15:23:57
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The cross was a Roman method of execution, not Jewish. The traditional Jewish method was stoning. Sorry if this is a bit morbid, but you know what happens when one person gets something wrong... It snowballs and snowballs and some chimp gets elected.
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jujube
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Posted - 03/11/2004 : 03:26:46
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| I am soooo disappointed in you, Mad dawg. At first I thought you were a funny, clever guy, but you're just the kind of american who make people want to hate you and your country. Thankfully I know you're a just a pitiful exception. You probably went and spilled french wine during your glorious War in Irak Part II. Stupid sheep. You suck, Mad Dawg. And don't go and say Oh what did you do noteworthy in your life, just because you maybe recorded and sold a mediocre rap-metal album in the 90's after you saw Rage Against The Machine and thought this works, let's do this. I pity you, Mad Dawg. I really do. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2004 : 10:55:09
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UGGH!!! Rap metal!?!?!?
What a horrid combination. 
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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Mad Dawg
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Posted - 03/12/2004 : 22:01:59
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Originally posted by jujube
you sold a mediocre rap-metal album in the 90's after you saw Rage Against The Machine and thought this works, let's do this. I pity you, Mad Dawg. I really do.
Actually JuJuBe I was in the first punk band to sell out a major venue in Los Angeles. Once when I needed money I produced some rap demos for a baseball player nemed Daryl Strawberry and his friend Richie Rich. I was pretty imprssed that I would be meeting Richie Rich untill I found out he was not the guy from the cartoon. He got a record deal with the demos and a got a HUGE bonus. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2004 : 06:10:25
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Yeah but was he an angry strawberry like this one. 
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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MOY DO DIR
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Posted - 03/18/2004 : 11:23:37
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| Cool skulls Mad Dawg! Great jewelry. I would buy. Don't listen to these ass holes. |
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Gratefuljason3
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Posted - 03/18/2004 : 12:40:37
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| That's not a cross. It's a T, for tolerance. |
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Slick
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Posted - 03/26/2004 : 13:52:50
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| maybe someone can show some of these peabrains what real racist symbols look like. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 03/26/2004 : 14:05:11
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is this poster racist?
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2004 : 14:25:34
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No but it looks pretty bloody sexist. Is that a film?
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 03/26/2004 : 14:31:22
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
No but it looks pretty bloody sexist.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
I agree!!! |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 03/26/2004 : 14:53:05
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
No but it looks pretty bloody sexist. Is that a film?
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
i agree as well. i haven't seen the film.. i just wanted to be a part of the discussion. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/26/2004 : 14:56:28
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Come off it, you were in it. You're either Carl Sisti, Robert Post or Mike Morris. 
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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Slick
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Posted - 03/27/2004 : 17:37:30
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Originally posted by astrology
Americans did not win WW2, Russians bore the heavy weight, and about the french they were in a kind of covert civil war as there was an interest of some extreme-right groups to have a nazi regime
Oh My God, they've taught an ape to type!!! |
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kirkclark
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USA
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Posted - 03/31/2004 : 15:25:17
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heres some history for ya;
Since the Knights of Saint John became bound by the Augustinian rule which involved monastic vows of chastity, poverty and obedience the Knights are also expected to observe the eight obligations represented by the symbol of the eight-pointed cross. The Knights of Saint John are now know as the Knights of Malta and the eight-pointed cross became known as the Maltese cross.
The eight obligations are the Beatitudes given in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:3-10) were to:
1)Live in truth 2)Have faith 3)Repent of sins 4)Proof of humility
5)Love justice 6)Be merciful 7)Be sincere and whole-hearted
8) Endure persecution
The German award the Iron Cross is perhaps the most well known and historically significant use of the eight pointed cross . Its tradition began when, in 1813, King Friedrich Wilheim III of Prussia first instituted it during the War of Liberation against Napoleon. Though it was supposed to be a campaign medal, it was reinstituted in 1870 for the Franco-Prussian War, and again in 1914 for World War I. The defeat of Germany in that war did not diminish military pride in the long term, and the Cross continued to be a symbol of prestige in the inter-war years.
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LadyViper007
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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 06:00:07
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The Maltese Cross was is meant to be a heroic symbol not a racist symbol. That is why it is a medal for firefighters, and other such organizations. The cross is named the Maltese Cross because of a war that started against (pre-islamic Syrian-Arabians) Saracens people for the Holy Land nearly 4 centuries ago. The Saracens used glass bombs with a highly flammable liquid called naptha in them. They would throw the bombs and cover the knights and use a flaming torch to set them on fire. The other knights, trying to save their fellow man, made heroic attempts to save them from the fire. At the end of the war they surviving knights were awarded with a medal of honor, which was the Maltese Cross. The Knights of St John were from the island of Malta, and rightfully named the first firefighters. You can read about them on the net, just search the Knights of St John, or Knights of Malta. So, in Maddawg's defense, I do not believe it is a racial symbol either. You want communism and prejudice....get married.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 06:42:56
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Q. How do you make a Maltese Cross?
A. Stamp on his foot.
 "I joined the Cult Of Joey and Iggy/Cos they can hypnotise chickens" |
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 12:40:30
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Wow we got people signing up just to reply to this topic......
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Mad Dawg
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 21:29:51
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I SWEAR I don't have a clue who LadyViper is but I'm really stoked on the info!!!!
LadyViper do I have to credit you if I use that explaination as one of my canned responses for when people accuse me of making rascist jewelry?Two questions for you.
1. Are you a lady?
2. Do you like skulls? |
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Is This Cross Racist???
