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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
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 Posted - 02/12/2004 : 20:18:28
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i'd like it if it was really different than the catholics/breeders/old pixies stuff. why put out an album trying to sound like 1989? i think the 4 of them COULD potentially do some great stuff (throw EDF in there for good measure too), but only if they really focused on it and tried to really make "new" music, not "new" pixies songs
-brian
 - "I joined the Cult of Frank / And they tried to cut off my nuts and make me put in a blue jumpsuit"
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DeBased
- FB Fan -
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2004 : 22:34:33
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Oh! How well said.quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I should think that all of us here are painfully aware that popularity is about the worst measure of worth one could apply to music.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"
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DeBased
- FB Fan -
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2004 : 22:42:49
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Did you really like the re-recording of Don't Stand... better than the first one? EEW! I already have more than one version of most Pixies songs, and I'm against remakes (and covers) unless they offer an improvement over the original. I'm happy with the Pixies songs I've got. New material? Sure, but they should take their time about it, and only do it when they've got great stuff. quote:
Originally posted by begeegs
I think that it would be a big mistake to record a new song let alone a new album, unless it was done in the Police format and re-recording a different version of an existing song (Don't Stand So Close to Me).
I don't want my view of them to be tarnished and I think that it enevitably would be if they recorded a new album because I don't think that it would capture the wackiness of the pre-reunion Pixies with the more mature sounding Pixies.
I think giving fans what they want with a reunion is a great thing because they still can perform and play well. Let's not go too far in doing anything more than that unless done tastefully (Police).
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kottke
- FB Fan -
USA
121 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2004 : 01:09:59
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Maybe it would sound like Tom Jones. Or Englebert Humperdinck.
"jugando en la playa" |
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Bartholomew
= Cult of Ray =
USA
344 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2004 : 06:45:38
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| What’s this talk of “don’t tarnish the legacy”? Are we talking about Bill Clinton or Frank Black. Let me be frank: Legacies are worthless pieces of shit. Worrying about legacies kill the artist dead right there on the spot. Great work, grounbreaking work, comes from taking a chance, a risk, a leap of faith––that’s the only way. Fortunately, Frank does not seem to be an artist who gives much thought to legacy. That’s exactly why he’s such an exciting artist––ya never know what he might do next. I bet if all goes well with the tour, they will do a new album with Kim contributing to a third or more of the songs. I can hardly wait. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2004 : 07:04:19
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| Ya, if this tour goes well then u can expect to hear a new album, cause why not? and also i think it would be really cool to hear cause frank black has done a complete 180 turn away from anything the pixies would have made with the catholics so i have no idea what it would sound like, but u can bet it will be amazing. |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2004 : 11:46:51
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that legacies are worthless pieces of shit. They have their time and place, I think. And every now and then it should be okay to slap some sentiment onto something. But the Pixies reunion is not the time nor type of thing you want to associate with a legacy. So yeah, I agree with you Bartholomew. I think Doolittle is one of the most amazing albums ever recorded. So if it was so fantastic, why try recording another one, if it would almost certainly be a let down compared to the prior? But boom! You've got Bossa-fuckin'-nova. Trompe Le Monde was a perfect album to end a career on. So why try another? Why should Frank bother continuing with a solo career if it may tarnish his legacy? I've yet to listen to ten seconds of Frank Black's works that aren't better than the last because it's something new; something he wasn't doing before. Same with the Pixies collectively. I don't think a band should establish a legacy until they're literally dead. I think a few people agree with me.
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
1013 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2004 : 12:11:41
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Are the Pixies even signed to a label currently???
The Cult of Frank: Not Available In All Areas, Void Where Prohibited By Law |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2004 : 13:33:42
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I guess not
although
the pixies did a deal with 4ad
for how many records?
5 or 6?
only counting releases before the breakup
(counting COP as well) they are on 5
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kottke
- FB Fan -
USA
121 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2004 : 13:51:43
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Unknown about the record label. I guess no? Probably just a manager dealing with bookings and arrangements for their tour.
As for a legacy, don't people just decide a group or person has one when they say so? It's a subjective word. Some people would say The Beatles have a legacy. Others would say that is ridiculous because they are just musicians. Or maybe everyone has a legacy, but some are more widely accepted and known than others. And some people just have lovely legs to see.
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1342 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2004 : 14:22:10
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| They would never tarnish anything by doing a new album. Whatever they put out would be great. It's not rocket science for them to write great songs. I mean, if they started making Creed-like songs, that would be different. But you know that will not happen. So, how could you be apprehensive about a new Pixies album? They just do what they do - it's no problem for them. It'll come out right. |
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Bartholomew
= Cult of Ray =
USA
344 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2004 : 14:22:36
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| There is subjectiveness in whether a legacy is condsidered great or not. But the fact is we all have them. I'm saying they're best ignored is all. Prozacrat's analogy about the doolittle thing is spot on. |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2004 : 08:29:28
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Thanks.
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kottke
- FB Fan -
USA
121 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2004 : 09:10:35
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I agree. We are both saying that. Thinking or worrying about a legacy is ridic, because you freeze yourself from doing new and exciting work. You just end up thinking, "how can I be like how I used to be or better?" and you operate through comparison, versus innovation and originality.
A new album would be sweet.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 02/14/2004 : 10:24:26
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| I guess it's 50/50....They could easily bore of the reunion. If they do record new stuff, then they would probably sign TO 4AD again...new songs will probably have a some of the original sound with a bit of newer vibe expressing how FB has changed as a songwriter. |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2004 : 12:19:26
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I wonder if Elektra would try to get them back. Or perhaps a bigger label. But I seem to remember Frank having a hell of a time when he signed on to American, which didn't last long. Could 4AD handle the blitz of a new album? I would prefer it if they did. 4AD deserves it. Who knows? Of course, this is all under the pretense that they do record again.
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bug
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Posted - 02/14/2004 : 13:27:21
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IF they do a new album I'd hope it was because they felt that they had something new and interesting to put out and not because of pressure from record companies, the press or even the fans.
Under those circumstances the album should be a killer - they're still creating great music individually - FB especially has hit a rich seam of fantastic songs these last couple of years and Title TK wasn't too shabby either.
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2004 : 13:35:56
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The problem with a new album is that Trompe is my favorite album of all time. No other FB/Pixies album even comes remotely close, and that's saying a LOT seeing how much I love the other albums.
I thought it was so cool that the Pixies ended on such a high note. To record a new album somewhat deadens the impact for me. |
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CaptainMaximus
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Posted - 02/14/2004 : 13:36:02
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| I certainly hope that, for their sake, the Pixies would stay away from 4ad. The information that I gleaned from all those interviews with the band way back when: the label put an undue amount of pressure on the group to produce, produce, produce, and when it came to promote FB's solo releases, they could have done a better job. Same goes for Electra too. Pixies are holding the cards now--they can do whatever they want. That must be pretty sweet... |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2004 : 13:38:18
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| Wow, Captain Maximus. Your reply was only 6 seconds after mine. Is that a new record? |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1118 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2004 : 20:37:49
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| well i think that being in a band the energy and creativity comes from playing together, and since theyve not done that for a number of years until recently, who knows how its going! Sure they must have lots of ideas and energy going around in many different directions and no one knows really how it sounds besides them. I do think though, that if it were to happen, hypothetically, it would...happen :) hehe, one day at a time. |
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Picapiedra
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Posted - 02/14/2004 : 21:24:31
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Originally posted by bug
IF they do a new album I'd hope it was because they felt that they had something new and interesting to put out and not because of pressure from record companies, the press or even the fans.
Under those circumstances the album should be a killer - they're still creating great music individually - FB especially has hit a rich seam of fantastic songs these last couple of years and Title TK wasn't too shabby either.
I agree. If all 4 members want to record again and they feel that they have something to contribute and can give 110% like they were "kids" again, then HELL YEAH! Make a new album. I'll buy it. But don't do it out of preasure (be it from fans, record companies, finances, press, or what not). And none of this "who will be the creative force", "who's style is pointing in what direction now", "how good are they now compared to then", "it's gotta be new", "it's gotta be the same". Take that bold step if they feel it. And if not, I'm happy with what they are already doing and have done. And if a new album stinks, no harm done, it's not going to mess up any of the previous works. If anything, you might end up reconsidering one of those previous works that just never quite sat right with you. I did the same thing with Return of the Jedi after Episodes I & II sucked so bad. But they never messed up Empire Strikes Back.
-roger.
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taxman75
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 05:33:41
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>begeegs sayeth:
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>I think that it would be a big mistake to record a new song let alone a new album,
>unless it was done in the Police format and re-recording a different version of an
>existing song (Don't Stand So Close to Me).
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I have Always absolutely *DREAMED* that Pixies would go back and re-record the eponymous _Frank Black_ album: the songs are truly Pixies songs, just produced and played wierd (interesting nonetheless, but all too counterfeit-feeling).
_Trompe Le Monde_ was a projected double album, then suddenly it's a single album and Black Francis's "covers album" turns into just 1 cover and the rest all original material... you do the math. It's always haunted me. I think Mr. Black saw the writing on the wall and purposely kept the better, radio-friendly songs off of _Trompe Le Monde_ so he could have them for his big debut. I've seen this actually documented for one of the songs, that long instrumental off of the "Hang On To Your Ego" single. Somewhere in the 4ad vaults would even be the old Trompe demoes of this and more... [And why keep Joey around early on, unless Joey had already set-up guitar parts for some of the songs...?]
It would be divine to hear the Pixies clench into "Los Angeles" right through to "Don't Ya Rile 'Em." Alas... it'll never happen. It would require more "living in the past" than any of the four of them could probably stomach.
Sigh.........
Logan
PS: I am alone in this theory, damnit?
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 07:06:16
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Originally posted by mdisanto
am i the only one here who doesnt really like gigantic that much. i mean its ok but its one of the few songs i skip more often than n ot
-miked
It's one of my favourites. It's got a big, big chorus!!!  |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 07:07:37
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Originally posted by mattb
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Originally posted by darwin
Wouldn't a 360 put you right back where you were?
You're not going to get much support slanging on Frank Black's solo albums on a Frank Black forum.
LOL, my mistake I meant 180 obviously.
You're right I won't get much support so I'll stop here. I like this board, I was just stating my opinion and didn't mean to start a war. It'll be pointless discussing this.
You put 180 in the first place. The guy who corrected you didn't read it properly.  |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 18:50:33
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_Trompe Le Monde_ was a projected double album, then suddenly it's a single album and Black Francis's "covers album" turns into just 1 cover and the rest all original material... you do the math.
Wasn't there talk of SMYT being an album of covers, too? Maybe someday Frank will actually put out that cover album he keeps talking about.
-Nathan
And how does lemur's skin reflect the sea?
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 20:43:13
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Didn't Oddballs have a lot of covers on it?
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Jamie
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 16:11:17
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| I would like a surf-y album, as that seems to be the least represented Pixies sound |
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kottke
- FB Fan -
USA
121 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2004 : 20:34:45
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I always wondered what the Pixies would sound like unplugged.
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2004 : 20:53:05
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They would sound fuckin' COOL unplugged. That's what they would sound like. Granted, anything they'd do I would say is cool.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/18/2004 : 20:55:31
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
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Originally posted by mattb
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Originally posted by darwin
Wouldn't a 360 put you right back where you were?
You're not going to get much support slanging on Frank Black's solo albums on a Frank Black forum.
LOL, my mistake I meant 180 obviously.
You're right I won't get much support so I'll stop here. I like this board, I was just stating my opinion and didn't mean to start a war. It'll be pointless discussing this.
You put 180 in the first place. The guy who corrected you didn't read it properly.
Nope, it was editted (as it says at the bottom). No big deal, but "the guy" read it properly. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2004 : 22:34:32
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I think legacies are very important. That's not to say an artist should worry about his/her legacy every time they record a new album. As long as they stay true to the music, a legacy will be kept in tack..but--my example:
What do you guys think of when you hear "Rod Stewart" and "Phil Collins" and "Michael Jackson". You probably think "shit"
Yet all those guys recorded a lot of great music before they massacred their legacy with years of absolute crap. Yeah, I know some of you might still listen to Thriller or The Faces, but don't tell me those artists/albums haven't been severely tarnished. (I also realease Jacko's tarnishing hasn't been completely due to poor music as well..)
And yes--clearly a new Pixies album wouldn't ruin Frank Black, but if he were to say record 20 years worth of numbing mainstream artistically bankrupt stuff under the guise of the Pixies, then it just might for some people.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/19/2004 : 10:48:47
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Damn the edit option!!! 
Lo! I have become death!
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kottke
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 02/19/2004 : 14:50:13
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I admire the artists who grow and evolve in a way that they have multiple followings. Some people like their old stuff, other people like their new stuff, some like both, some like neither.
I just saw Sting in Los Angeles. His Police stuff compared to his solo stuff is pretty different, but regardless, he has been extrememly successful for 25 years. And because he morphed, he is not a 50 year old still shaking his ass around in front of teenagers. Even Wacko Jacko still sells tons of copies when he releases a new album. And though he will never come close to Thriller again at over 50 million copies, should he have stopped making music after that album? He's a musician. It's what he wants to do (among other things).
Surfer Rosa was Kurt Cobain's favorite album of all time. Should the Pixies have stopped recording new albums after their second album based on what certain fans thought? Becuase in Kurt's opinion, they did not create anything as great as their second album.
Our personal opinion of someone's crap is someone else's favorite music. That's why I believe legacies are a made up and subjective term. My dad has left a legacy for me, but chances are that you have no idea what it is and have never heard of my dad.
Ah, philosophy. Isn't it grand?
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 02/20/2004 : 00:31:36
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quote:
Originally posted by taxman75
>begeegs sayeth:
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>I think that it would be a big mistake to record a new song let alone a new album,
>unless it was done in the Police format and re-recording a different version of an
>existing song (Don't Stand So Close to Me).
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I have Always absolutely *DREAMED* that Pixies would go back and re-record the eponymous _Frank Black_ album: the songs are truly Pixies songs, just produced and played wierd (interesting nonetheless, but all too counterfeit-feeling).
_Trompe Le Monde_ was a projected double album, then suddenly it's a single album and Black Francis's "covers album" turns into just 1 cover and the rest all original material... you do the math. It's always haunted me. I think Mr. Black saw the writing on the wall and purposely kept the better, radio-friendly songs off of _Trompe Le Monde_ so he could have them for his big debut. I've seen this actually documented for one of the songs, that long instrumental off of the "Hang On To Your Ego" single. Somewhere in the 4ad vaults would even be the old Trompe demoes of this and more... [And why keep Joey around early on, unless Joey had already set-up guitar parts for some of the songs...?]
It would be divine to hear the Pixies clench into "Los Angeles" right through to "Don't Ya Rile 'Em." Alas... it'll never happen. It would require more "living in the past" than any of the four of them could probably stomach.
Sigh.........
Logan
PS: I am alone in this theory, damnit?
Like micheal jackson sung: You are not alone, ohhhh!
no it's an interesting theory, but you need to figure out that there were 2 years between trompe and FB. He could have easily write more material in that period and scrapped the whole covers thing
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